Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

weedemart said:
did you tried KLN homebrewer?
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I have tried KLN and liked it back when I used to use Clonex. Clonex either changed their formula or I got a bad bottle, either way that's unacceptable so I switched to to Dip-N-Grow. Long story short, I'm still 'dialing in' Dip-N-Grow and haven't used KLN in a while.

Just a side note: Dip-N-Grow is good sh*t!
 
homebrewer said:
I did but then I got a bad batch of Clonex (or they just changed their formula and it doesn't work well now) .
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interesting you say that. I noticed a serious drop in clone success too for a while. It has went back up some but still not @ the 95%+ I was seeing. closer to 70-80% success. Which still isn't too shabby but still.....

I do know that root riot changed the process by which they make their plugs.
 
joe macclennan said:
interesting you say that. I noticed a serious drop in clone success too for a while. It has went back up some but still not @ the 95%+ I was seeing. closer to 70-80% success. Which still isn't too shabby but still.....

I do know that root riot changed the process by which they make their plugs.
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Clonex used to be made in Australia, now it might be Michigan. The bad bottle/new formula that I had was kinda runny and was almost a pink color instead of a purple gel. Either way Dip-N-grow is legit and they've never changed their formula. You can also mix up different concentrations to root everything from soft tissue to hard wood cuttings.

What scares me about a cloning solution with a 70-80% success rate is that I don't have the space or plant count to take 4 cuttings of each strain to ensure that I NEVER lose a strain accidentally. It wouldn't be a big deal if I kept mothers but I stopped doing that and I need to be able to count on a 100% success rate which is what I used to have with Clonex. D-n-G gives me better roots anyways so I'm glad I made the switch.

Anyways, when I used good bottles of Clonex, I noticed roots a couple days quicker when using KLN. I'll reintroduce KLN when my cloning is back up to 100% as I've only used Dip-n-Grow for like 6 months.
 
I was already looking for dipngro. it's the same product but KLN is less concentrated and has a different IBA/NAA ratio. I plan to use dipngro as a root booster for the first week and wanted your feedback. synthetic iba/naa product is a good alternative to root booster like rhyzotonic or root excel.
 
HB have you tried using rapid start and root tech gel? With rapid rooter plugs? I get 90-100% root rate. I just dip the clones in Root tech, put them in plugs. First 5 days I just use plain PHed 150 ppm tap water. On the 5th day I use RO water around 150 ppm of Rapid start. That is what works well for me. I have had that 275 ml bottle of rapid start for almost 2 years now.

Olivia's cloning solution works too, but not as well as rapid start and root tech.
 
weedemart said:
I was already looking for dipngro. it's the same product but KLN is less concentrated and has a different IBA/NAA ratio. I plan to use dipngro as a root booster for the first week and wanted your feedback. synthetic iba/naa product is a good alternative to root booster like rhyzotonic or root excel.
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I personally don't think 'root boosting' needs to be done if everything else is in order (ie, good food, good medium, good environment, good watering practices, etc.) but do whatcha gotta do to get good roots.
 
inhaleindica said:
HB have you tried using rapid start and root tech gel? With rapid rooter plugs? I get 90-100% root rate. I just dip the clones in Root tech, put them in plugs. First 5 days I just use plain PHed 150 ppm tap water. On the 5th day I use RO water around 150 ppm of Rapid start. That is what works well for me. I have had that 275 ml bottle of rapid start for almost 2 years now.

Olivia's cloning solution works too, but not as well as rapid start and root tech.
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That's how I used to use Clonex and while I know there are many powders and gels that work well, I just wanted something consistent and commercial-grade. I found a few folks over at another forum recommending D-n-G and gave it a shot. I think I paid $10 for 2 ounces of liquid and I use 1ml of said liquid diluted into a measured amount of RO water at cloning time. I usually clone once per month which means this tiny bottle should last 5 years. So far so good.
 
homebrewer said:
I personally don't think 'root boosting' needs to be done if everything else is in order (ie, good food, good medium, good environment, good watering practices, etc.) but do whatcha gotta do to get good roots.
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it's not necessary but I noticed my roots were healthier and grew much faster with products like root excel. Definetily gave them a boost.auxin and cytokinine are keys in plant growth. for cutting I usually prepare a solution of cannastart and add few ppm of silicon then ajust ph with fulvic... I soak my plugs in this solution then I dip cutting in root gel and put them in plugs.
 
homebrewer said:
That's how I used to use Clonex and while I know there are many powders and gels that work well, I just wanted something consistent and commercial-grade. I found a few folks over at another forum recommending D-n-G and gave it a shot. I think I paid $10 for 2 ounces of liquid and I use 1ml of said liquid diluted into a measured amount of RO water at cloning time. I usually clone once per month which means this tiny bottle should last 5 years. So far so good.
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I can't comment on DnG. I have never used them myself. Though I have read about them and there is no reason why it shouldn't work. If they are cheap and works well, why try something else. I can say I dislike clonex. Clonex only gave me 20% clone rate.
 
IMO it's not the product.... every cloning gel/solution is IBA based..... it's how you use it. with hormone , u better use low amount than high. In few research I've saw, some plant treated with 50ppm of IBA were clearly ahead of non-treated plant but at 100ppm the plant were behind non-treated....
 
weedemart said:
it's not necessary but I noticed my roots were healthier and grew much faster with products like root excel. Definetily gave them a boost.auxin and cytokinine are keys in plant growth. for cutting I usually prepare a solution of cannastart and add few ppm of silicon then ajust ph with fulvic... I soak my plugs in this solution then I dip cutting in root gel and put them in plugs.
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Roots Excel is over rated man. Too damn pricey. Rapid start is half price and does the same thing. However, I don't know if I will buy another bottle of Rapid start. Rapid start works well for me. I am still looking for a cheaper and better alternative.
 
rapid start is overrated and damn pricey as very other root booster.... and BTW.. yes it's half price but its 1ml/L and root excel is .3ml/L so .....do the math..... FYI im not using any root booster at the moment , but I plan to , with DipNgro. I will try few experiment first starting at 1ppm and gradually increase.
 
weedemart said:
rapid start is overrated and damn pricey as very other root booster.... and BTW.. yes it's half price but its 1ml/L and root excel is .3ml/L so .....do the math..... FYI im not using any root booster at the moment , but I plan to , with DipNgro. I will try few experiment first starting at 1ppm and gradually increase.
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Lol, ok......
 
weedemart said:
IMO it's not the product.... every cloning gel/solution is IBA based..... it's how you use it. with hormone , u better use low amount than high. In few research I've saw, some plant treated with 50ppm of IBA were clearly ahead of non-treated plant but at 100ppm the plant were behind non-treated....
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I spoke with the owner of DnG and he echoed the same thing. Since you can make your mix as potent or as weak as you want depending on the type of plant you're propagating, he said to keep in mind that your results across a range of concentration levels would resemble a bell-shaped curve. If a particular mix is working, a more potent mixture isn't always the way to go.

Keep in mind fellas that I'm not saying you should switch away from the cloning solution that works for you. Clonex was killing it for me for almost a decade, it's the only other solution I've ever used. They made some changes (I think) and I moved on.

In regards to price, I would pay a hefty sum to ensure I never lose a cut. Fortunately many of these solutions will work just fine for a reasonable price.
 
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