RedCarpetMatches
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Boo lol. Vert SCROG with HPS....no thanks. Just hang the light, fan blowing under, and use those teas!!! The sight of an HPS makes me angel vomit!!!
Total Noob using teas and I am a believer
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RedCarpetMatches
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What's a real vert? All I se on that thread is shitty unhealthy plants in chicken wire. Where's the supplemental lighting in the back? Right direction...but much to be approved on.
hyroot
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Vert scrog. Branches grow towards the light.. Plus he has them sitting on a lazy Susan. Having supplemental lighting on the other side defeats the purpose of vert scrog. I'm not planning on scrog. I'm not using any supplemental lighting either. I will just rotate plants every day
Steelheader3430
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I had a feeling it might be viewed as bastardizing the plants. I have a vertical light under an umbrella hood in a 4x4 tent, so it got my attention seems like it might up my yield. But I am on the fence about it since I think it is a bit unnatural.
hyroot
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With mine, hang the light down the center. Rotate the plants counter clockwise in a circle and turn each plant a half turn each day too. It increases yield because you don't cut off any lower growth. Lower buds end up being same size or close to size of top buds. Plus you can cover twice the area with one bulb. Utilizing the 360 degree output of light
Steelheader3430
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Thanks Hyroot! I was getting bored with my setup being stabilized. The hood 4 feet diameter and holds heat I'll probably tinker with it this weekend since my dumbass gets up at 3 am for work.
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Mad Hamish
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I've been watching some vert grows. Far as I can tell its pretty kickass. There's a guy in Australia yielding several pounds off one 600hps. Sure he has to wait for it but he can let his sats reach full maturity before flower and that's a biggie far as yields go. Zero supplemental lighting and he only gets a very little bit of fluff on the outside if the screen. One grow and its more than can be smoked in a year. I also am going to try a vert grow sometime over the next year, 12 week veg, two 400s in tubes. Btw, hps rocks. You can bring a cooled HPS much closer than LED, led can bleach a plant in a snap. With dims on most ballasts these days they are versatile as all hell too. Replacement is fast easy and cheap too. Cb420 is pulling close on 3 pounds off a single 1000.
Mad Hamish
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it has become time to let you know you have annoyed me since calling me a dork Gumby. If you are working with space restrictions like most people how close you can allow a light to be becomes very important. Mr E.Duck would not have been able to yield 400 dry grams in a 60cm square space with anything but a cooled dimmable 400w HPS. I've read your thread and thanks for the laughs man. Guys said valves were dead, but now audiophiles the world over are still using them more than 50 years after they were 'killed' by the germanium transistor. You need to get off your pedestal Hyroot. As soon as you show me something a little better than a few tiny plants under CFL I will start considering if your opinion means more to me. Don't expect my respect just yet, everybody else here has earned it, nit you yet buddy.
hyroot
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dork meant it was funny corny joke.. When some one calls you a dork it means you are being corny....
Don't get mad because most of the world is replacing all lighting with led... Its not a pedestool its fact. HPS is left in the dust..... NASA, Rail roads, automotive, Shopping centers, schools, offices, green houses All over the world have already replaced all their lights with led... Higher cri (Color rendering index), higher par (photosynthetically available radiation, umole/s)., more even spectral distribution, 10 times the longevity, lower heat, lower running costs.. 660 watts of nichia or cree led will beat a 1000 watt hps any day. Lumens don't mean anything to plant growth but led has more lumens per watt than hps...
I was doing cmh , par t5 and led until my place was robbed 3 months ago. I'm using borrowed T5's with aquarium bulbs for now... I added cfl's because I got them for free and wanted to hit the lower growth since my little plants are 5 feet tall. Top buds are milk carton size and beer bottle size buds frosty as hell under t5 and cfl and they still have 2 weeks left. Another fuckin hater.
Another hater..
I know you didn't read my thread, you are just reiterating what skunk said because you are on his nuts... Otherwise you would give me props , Hater
Read through the mainlining and led without led , club t5 threads. and journal entries. I have plenty of pictures there too. I used hps for years and years until I saw the difference myself..
Par from 12 inches away
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Area 51 led
sg 155 watts - 1216 µmole/s
Apache tech inc
At660 - 660 watts 2000 µmole/s
philips allstart cmh - lasts 3 times longer than hps
330 watt - 1400 µmole/s
860 watt - 2200 µmole/s
ushio hps
1000 watt - 1804 µmole/s
600 watt - 1100 µmole/s
The sun at midday is 2000 µmole/s
hyroot
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RedCarpetMatches
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Where is Gand when you need him!!!
Personally, I've yielded more from a 400w CMH than a 600w HPS. Two 400w CMHs more than a 1000w Horti HPS. I had my CMHs in open reflectors 12" away with no heat/burn probs.
Wish I joined this forum years ago when I thought FF was true organics.
Tea time for me. Then bag in the worm bin.
Hyroot and Hamish please kiss and make up.
Personally, I've yielded more from a 400w CMH than a 600w HPS. Two 400w CMHs more than a 1000w Horti HPS. I had my CMHs in open reflectors 12" away with no heat/burn probs.
Wish I joined this forum years ago when I thought FF was true organics.
Tea time for me. Then bag in the worm bin.
Hyroot and Hamish please kiss and make up.
RedCarpetMatches
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I'm just curious on everyone's grow styles here. Seems like most people don't know what CMHs and LEDs are capable of. Damn this coffee is good...sorry Lipton. Anywho, has anyone here tried main lining? I'm just a topper and super cropper, but ML looks interesting.
RedCarpetMatches
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Hmmm...I was thinking no SCROG with my LEDs in the back.
GandalfdaGreen
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Wow Hyroot. Those are incredible flowers. Just unreal. You need to share more of those more often.
I honestly don't know enough about the lights. I just use what has been working for me. I have given some thought to one day replacing my lights but I need to come up with the excuse I am going to use for my wife. I have so many other battles to fight for first. I grow only for myself so right now I'm cool with my lights.
Once LEDs come down in price I'll join the fight. I need to use my amps better.
I love all you LED light users, the mag crew, and the T5ers too.
I honestly don't know enough about the lights. I just use what has been working for me. I have given some thought to one day replacing my lights but I need to come up with the excuse I am going to use for my wife. I have so many other battles to fight for first. I grow only for myself so right now I'm cool with my lights.
Once LEDs come down in price I'll join the fight. I need to use my amps better.
I love all you LED light users, the mag crew, and the T5ers too.
RedCarpetMatches
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Gand do you train your plants?