If we would be attacked by aliens

[PetFlora]

Wow! Considering you guys are pot heads "anti-establishment" you are extremely establishment

 

[Doer]

Aliens don't exist. And there's proof - no one has ever found a single piece of an Alien vessel, or anything not from this earth that was made by a 'being'. So ur wasting ur time my friends. You'd be better off filling a pothole in front of your house than doing any further typing in this thread. Or maybe offer to walk your neighbors dog and make a new friend.

And you, I have pet peeve about people coming on and saying ANYTHING we do here on RIU a waste of time.

And the passive-aggressive I have to also make a comment. Seems freindly enough but here what said and what you meant.

Your yard is a disaster
you are not a helpful neighbor
you need new friend

You wasted no one to say that, even your own. I was an interesting reveal.

For all you know you may be an Alien.

That is the level of Un-known, here.

 

[Doer]

Wow! Considering you guys are pot heads "anti-establishment" you are extremely establishment

Why would you assume I am anti-establishment. And that fucked up hippy shit I totally reject having been there and done that.

And maybe you crave Identity, but I don't. It is worse. It is base put down, you say. More passive aggression substituted for facts. No facts for. No facts against.

Do you see what not taking sides really means? Facts don't take sides.

 

[PetFlora]

Hmmm. facts may not be truth, but perception. Eye sight can be deceiving. Did you see the video hologram on TV of Topac? Very convincing.

Let's say the powers that be fail at starting WW3 (so far they have failed), the next rabbit out their hat (search Ronald Regan stating ~ if there was an alien invasion...) they can use military grade holograms to convince us that aliens are here and we must band together (give up more rights/freedoms) to fight them, ala Independence Day. So that was put out there ~ 20 years ago. So do their holograms mean there are no aliens? Clearly, no.

I'm betting they exist, but have no interest in exposure. If you were a positive alien race would you subject yourself to exposure, knowing full well, that the controllers would apprehend you, and test/probe/cut open...? And if you were a negative alien race, wouldn't it make sense to make deals with the deal makers... technology in exchange for.... ?

Why would you assume I am anti-establishment. And that fucked up hippy shit I totally reject having been there and done that.

And maybe you crave Identity, but I don't. It is worse. It is base put down, you say. More passive aggression substituted for facts. No facts for. No facts against.

Do you see what not taking sides really means? Facts don't take sides.

 

[heckler73]

If one doesn't accept the possibility of Alien lifeforms, then how did we get here?
The magical ooze of evolution and quantum chemistry?

GREAT!
That means if it can happen here, it can happen there...

So either way, it is implausible to assume we are alone, as it is possible for higher-intelligence to have means of interstellar travel.

We are on the edge of Cosmological understanding, but remain ignorant as to primal causes... Dark Matter? Dark Energy?
We engage in pursuits of theoretical lunacy without even a complete understanding of basics such as electromagnetism and gravity...and accept it as fact for the purposes of layering even more hypothetical complexity upon models.

So how can one have the assurance that "aliens don't exist"?
One can't outside of stubborn ignorance and obtuse imagination...

 

[Doer]

Hmmm. facts may not be truth, but perception. Eye sight can be deceiving. Did you see the video hologram on TV of Topac? Very convincing.

Let's say the powers that be fail at starting WW3 (so far they have failed), the next rabbit out their hat (search Ronald Regan stating ~ if there was an alien invasion...) they can use military grade holograms to convince us that aliens are here and we must band together (give up more rights/freedoms) to fight them, ala Independence Day. So that was put out there ~ 20 years ago. So do their holograms mean there are no aliens? Clearly, no.

I'm betting they exist, but have no interest in exposure. If you were a positive alien race would you subject yourself to exposure, knowing full well, that the controllers would apprehend you, and test/probe/cut open...? And if you were a negative alien race, wouldn't it make sense to make deals with the deal makers... technology in exchange for.... ?

But, you are missing the real answer. Occam's Razor says all the bullshit can fall away.

ONLY, what can stay on the very fine, razor edge of proveable, is real.

In Latin lex parsimoniae, it is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

No Aliens, at all. Just a scam for money.

 

[PetFlora]

So you actually believe that throughout the entire Galaxy, only we exist? WOW

So based on your POV, if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound

But, you are missing the real answer. Occam's Razor says all the bullshit can fall away.

ONLY, what can stay on the very fine, razor edge of proveable, is real.

In Latin lex parsimoniae, it is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

No Aliens, at all. Just a scam for money.

 

[Doer]

So you actually believe that throughout the entire Galaxy, only we exist? WOW

So based on your POV, if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound

You don't know anything about the entire galaxy. You are only going on faith. Or maybe you say statistics. But, you are here in Science discussing this.

So, in Probabilities and Statistics observations have nothing to do wth Buddhist Koan about trees falling or the sound of one hand clapping etc. That again is religion.

In science, if you want to produce fantastic assumption like faster than light or time travel or maybe inter-dimensional aliens running around dark matter, it actually lowers the odds.

The chance that there is one other race within sub-light distance, that knows about us is the same as there is NOT.

The chance is infinite and null at the same time, No data for. No data against.

Why the hell are you in Science talking about belief? I don't give a shit about your belief or your challenges with false logic.

You believe. So what? It is simple mania to expect us to believe you or this. Follow your gods.. A lot people do that.

And I have no beliefs that would interest you.

 

[PetFlora]

One hand clapping, or a tree falling in the woods (out of sight and hearing) is not religion, it's to open one's mind about what is real.

I do not care if I ever get through to you, it's the others who read your BS, and are in need of a different perspective that I am concerned about

And I don't give a shit about what you call science. Real science is, has, and will continue to be suppressed by the controllers of oil and electrical grid profits

And further more, we are spirit/consciousness having a human experience, not the other way around. We did not crawl out of the primordial ooze and evolve

You don't know anything about the entire galaxy. You are only going on faith. Or maybe you say statistics. But, you are here in Science discussing this.

So, in Probabilities and Statistics observations have nothing to do wth Buddhist Koan about trees falling or the sound of one hand clapping etc. That again is religion.

In science, if you want to produce fantastic assumption like faster than light or time travel or maybe inter-dimensional aliens running around dark matter, it actually lowers the odds.

The chance that there is one other race within sub-light distance, that knows about us is the same as there is NOT.

The chance is infinite and null at the same time, No data for. No data against.

Why the hell are you in Science talking about belief? I don't give a shit about your belief or your challenges with false logic.

You believe. So what? It is simple mania to expect us to believe you or this. Follow your gods.. A lot people do that.

And I have no beliefs that would interest you.

 

[Doer]

Basket. Case.

And believe what you want. Here's one.

Master: Do you want to know Buddha? Step closer.

POW,( he swats him in the face!) True story.

 

[Doer]

And so how can you get through to someone if you bring no facts? You are then proselytizing a religion.

Von Daniken is laughing all the way to the bank and back. There is no need to even assume humans are lying greedy assholes.

That is fact of this matter.

 

[PetFlora]

Is it not a fact that the oil cartels, hand-in-hand with their bankster buddies, have exploited citizens of the world?
Is it not a fact that JP Morgan buried N Tesla after NT brought JP free energy
Is it not a fact that JP controls the power grid, reaping billions monthly.
Is it not a fact that the NSA has used national security authorization as a license to take away free-energy devices?
Is it not a fact that many free-energy device creators have gone to prison (Beck, Rife...) or mysteriously died?

And is it not a fact that knowingly or, un, you took the blue pill a long time ago?

I get it, TPTB are good at subtle mind control programming (Tavistock/MK-Ultra). It's just that more of us are not susceptible

And so how can you get through to someone if you bring no facts? You are then proselytizing a religion.

Von Daniken is laughing all the way to the bank and back. There is no need to even assume humans are lying greedy assholes.

That is fact of this matter.

 

[Doer]

Well, then...in that case you are fucked. Think about it.

In your logic, the only way you are allowed to live, knowing all of this, is that the rest of us think you are deranged. I mean if this got out it would mean world riots, correct?

And if I don't believe in you and your special knowledge with no facts, I am fine and happy, in the Matrix as it were?

But, if did believe you I would be killed for it as I have no special protection as to how I learned it. Is that it? How are you protected again?

Oh right! Fruit Cake. I don't have that cover so I will be killed....ugly and you have to live with that.

 

[heckler73]

So, in Probabilities and Statistics observations have nothing to do wth Buddhist Koan about trees falling or the sound of one hand clapping etc. That again is religion.

In science, if you want to produce fantastic assumption like faster than light or time travel or maybe inter-dimensional aliens running around dark matter, it actually lowers the odds.

The chance that there is one other race within sub-light distance, that knows about us is the same as there is NOT.

The chance is infinite and null at the same time, No data for. No data against.

Dirac Delta function!!!!

Speaking of which, I went to a colloquium today where Neil Turok was presenting some work on Quantum Tunneling in Complex Time(wrap your head around THAT!)
Other than my mind being blown into a low-energy Higgs Field (which he seems to imply will become a problem in 10^800 years), I learned something about the nature of Physics today...
LOTS of bullshit... case in point? The "Multiverse" people...Even Leo Susskind is a proponent of the idea, much to the dismay of Turok.
Yet there isn't even a shred of evidence to support it, just mathematical gibberish. No Gravity Waves, No Super Symmetry, no observations of any kind and no seeming way to "measure" anything even if they had an observation.
Meanwhile, there is enough math (coupled with observation) to suggest the theory is wrong. But still, it doesn't stop physicists from pursuing the idea...

The same goes for Aliens... Just because there is equal probability either way, it is still equal. That means one can't dismiss it outright.

One can certainly ignore it, though, since the consequences are minimal, if even perceptible. And that's the way I approach it... Are they out there? Sure, why not.. does it matter? Not really...

 

[PetFlora]

The first things humans do (myself included until I got it) when their perceptions have been shattered is to lash out

Over time, the new layer of the onion begins to peel away, revealing new levels of awareness

Patents regarding higher levels (ie kits that convert engines to run on water) don't protect the scientist, as the NSA will step in and take it from the inventor

Many have learned that the it's best (healthier) to forgo the big bucks, and make it free to the public

The fact that this has happened many times should be evidence that you/me have and are being lied to

I have faith in you that eventually you will get it

 

[Doer]

You have your beliefs and faiths and I am not in the religion.

I agree with Heck, the chances are equal. So, the best assumption, is $$.

Heck feels he want to believe the universe is full of aliens, but he is not saying they are here.

We also agree on... so what?

 

[heckler73]

You have your beliefs and faiths and I am not in the religion.

I agree with Heck, the chances are equal. So, the best assumption, is $$.

Heck feels he want to believe the universe is full of aliens, but he is not saying they are here.

We also agree on... so what?

I may not have said it, but that doesn't mean anything more than I can sympathize with those that have doubts from a rational perspective.
Personally, I have no doubts; however, that's a tale I don't (and won't) discuss in public.

 

[Doer]

I may not have said it, but that doesn't mean anything more than I can sympathize with those that have doubts from a rational perspective.
Personally, I have no doubts; however, that's a tale I don't (and won't) discuss in public.

Well, if we are talking sympathy, fine. I have almost paralyzing sympathy for everyone and everything.

It is not science.

 

[heckler73]

Well, if we are talking sympathy, fine. I have almost paralyzing sympathy for everyone and everything.

It is not science.

Sure... it's not science... at best it could be called "empirical data".
To be science, it would need some of Popper's falsification.

 

[Doer]

Sure... it's not science... at best it could be called "empirical data".
To be science, it would need some of Popper's falsification.

Sympathy is an emotion.