Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas
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Impman
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Read the first paragraph of the OP. It literally says clone. the word clone is right there.
I've read the whole fucking thread, Imp, and this method is intended for plants FROM seed. I'm not going to read it for you and post links to the numerous times throughout this thread this has been pointed out. Do your own homework.Read the first paragraph of the OP. It literally says clone. the word clone is right there.
I realize it says clone, but results will vary as pointed out throughout the thread. I have tried it on clones and you don;t always get just four shoots or two. You will get dependable results on plants from seed. That was my point. Do what ever the fuck you want to do, they are your clones...
What I should really say is if you have a clone that has direct opposing nodes you should get dependable results, if they are alternating nodes (like most clones from a mature mother) the results will vary.
Sorry for the mixup, hopefully UB's post below will clear it up.
Uncle Ben
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Yes, seeds will give you the best (easiest to obtain) results only because folks have trouble switching a plant's growth mode from mature (alternating nodes) to juvenile or opposing nodes.
OK, I've posted this several times here but I'll do it again. I wrote a FAQ to clear up any misunderstandings and first posted it at another forum. Here it is:
FAQ
Q - Is your technique effective with a clone?
A - Only if the cutting (clone) has opposing nodes. Don't expect to get 2 or 4 main colas if the nodes are alternating. You're manipulating the plant's hormonal processes aka "apical dominance". The plant will redistribute the auxins equally to dormant foliar buds.
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Q - Will this work on a landrace, indica OR sativa, and what about hybrids?
A - The hormonal processes, redistribution of auxins, work the same whether you have a sativa, afghan (indica) or your typical mutt.
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Q - Can I cut above the 3rd or 4th node?
A - You can, but you won't get the same effect regarding bulked up main colas. I came up with this simple technique in order to increase main cola production from 1..... to 2 or 4. If you want alot of bud sites and a bushier plant, then top at say.....the 8th node, but, that's not my technique as described.
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Q - I don't want to stress my plants. How long will this set my plants back?
A - There is no stress involved like underwatering a plant or giving it too much heat or light. They will respond with new output where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk" within 24 hours. If not, you have a cultural issue that you need to address.
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Q - You say to wait until the plant has 5-6 nodes before topping. Why?
A - That is only a guide to insure you have an established, well growing plant with a good root system. 3 nodes or 8, it's your call.
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Q - Can I root the cutting?
A - Of course.
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Q - What's a node??
A - Get outta here!
OK, I've posted this several times here but I'll do it again. I wrote a FAQ to clear up any misunderstandings and first posted it at another forum. Here it is:
FAQ
Q - Is your technique effective with a clone?
A - Only if the cutting (clone) has opposing nodes. Don't expect to get 2 or 4 main colas if the nodes are alternating. You're manipulating the plant's hormonal processes aka "apical dominance". The plant will redistribute the auxins equally to dormant foliar buds.
************************************
Q - Will this work on a landrace, indica OR sativa, and what about hybrids?
A - The hormonal processes, redistribution of auxins, work the same whether you have a sativa, afghan (indica) or your typical mutt.
************************************
Q - Can I cut above the 3rd or 4th node?
A - You can, but you won't get the same effect regarding bulked up main colas. I came up with this simple technique in order to increase main cola production from 1..... to 2 or 4. If you want alot of bud sites and a bushier plant, then top at say.....the 8th node, but, that's not my technique as described.
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Q - I don't want to stress my plants. How long will this set my plants back?
A - There is no stress involved like underwatering a plant or giving it too much heat or light. They will respond with new output where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk" within 24 hours. If not, you have a cultural issue that you need to address.
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Q - You say to wait until the plant has 5-6 nodes before topping. Why?
A - That is only a guide to insure you have an established, well growing plant with a good root system. 3 nodes or 8, it's your call.
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Q - Can I root the cutting?
A - Of course.
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Q - What's a node??
A - Get outta here!
Impman
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^^^^ Do my own homework. Stop brown nosing , its lame. I askedif if can hack off 8 inches of plant down to the second node. thats a new question. but as I stated, i dont have a camera working right now, just a Ipad RIU refuses to make a app for... they hate money or something...I've read the whole fucking thread, Imp, and this method is intended for plants FROM seed. I'm not going to read it for you and post links to the numerous times throughout this thread this has been pointed out. Do your own homework.
You will get dependable results on plants from seed. That was my point. Do what ever the fuck you want to do, they are your clones...
What I should really say is if you have a clone that has direct opposing nodes you should get dependable results, if they are alternating nodes (like most clones from a mature mother) the results will vary.
Sorry for the mixup, hopefully UB's post below will clear it up.
Who the fuck is brown-nosing? Whatever, read the fucking thread. And I wouldn't lop off 8 inches of a mature clone to get less then predictable results. But hey they are your plants, do whatever the hell you want with them.
jacksthc
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thanks ben I think i did it wrong
I topped the plant at the 8th node and the nodes are alternating
do you think there ok ?
and here a couple more pics thanks again UB
Guitar Man
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Started my second grow, using this technique. I'm 10 days into flowering and the 2 plants are doing fantastic! In fact, 1 of them is doing much better than my last attempt and I'm predicting close to a "Half Pound" Harvest from this plant. This is a small closet grow, and if I had more room I could really let this Lady shine, but space is limiting my Yield.
welshwizzard
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Used UB method at the right place on this Blimburn, fantastic result
EverythingsHazy
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I need to reread the whole thing but im pretty sure its not cut at the 8th. Its cut lower when the plant has 8 nodesthanks ben I think i did it wrong
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I topped the plant at the 8th node and the nodes are alternating
Nizza
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I'm sorry UB, i've looked through this page for 20 mins or so and can't find the answer...
say i take a seedling that got stunted and had really tight nodes and cut the lower 3 off (theres like 7 and its very short) , then bury it down. Now take the top growth and cut down to the first node.
Will this be the same idea as doing it with a younger seedling?
say i take a seedling that got stunted and had really tight nodes and cut the lower 3 off (theres like 7 and its very short) , then bury it down. Now take the top growth and cut down to the first node.
Will this be the same idea as doing it with a younger seedling?
Uncle Ben
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Whatever is buried below ground should force roots. If you have 2 nodes left above ground it should force 4 main colas from the dormant foliar buds. Try it and let us know how it worked out for you.
Me? I'd focus on why the plant became stunted in the first place. It's all about the basics.
Good luck,
Tio
simisimis
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Hey UB,
just wanted to thank you and post some results of mine.
I combined your technique with RM way of prunning before upcan and adapted that to my grow room.
this is how plant looked at 19th day of veg
I prunned two bottom nodes and applied some rooting gel on stem. Also took the top off leaving only 3rd and 4th node.
and upcanned. So in one day, topping, prunning and upcanning. Here are pics how plant looked at 1st, 3rd and 7th day after topping.
So I do not understand how people manage to get their plants stunned. None of plants I topped this or other way showed me more stress than simple LST..
I've noticed that this method has both advantages and drawbacks over your "topping above 2nd node".
Advantages
you get fatter stem at the base, possibly bigger root ball, 4 additional clones from 1st and 2nd node.
Disadvatages
it took 4 days longer before I was able to top. Also space between 1st and 2nd node was like 0.5", while between 3rd and 4th - 1.5". Was thinking that this might cause less even auxin distribution.. but maybe not. This is only my 4th grow, so difficult to say..
So what do you think? Any comments about my assumptions? Cause I feel like I'm too inexperienced to make ones. Maybe you know any other pluses and minuses when topping one way or another?
Thanks and cheers!
just wanted to thank you and post some results of mine.
I combined your technique with RM way of prunning before upcan and adapted that to my grow room.
this is how plant looked at 19th day of veg
I prunned two bottom nodes and applied some rooting gel on stem. Also took the top off leaving only 3rd and 4th node.
and upcanned. So in one day, topping, prunning and upcanning. Here are pics how plant looked at 1st, 3rd and 7th day after topping.
So I do not understand how people manage to get their plants stunned. None of plants I topped this or other way showed me more stress than simple LST..
I've noticed that this method has both advantages and drawbacks over your "topping above 2nd node".
Advantages
you get fatter stem at the base, possibly bigger root ball, 4 additional clones from 1st and 2nd node.
Disadvatages
it took 4 days longer before I was able to top. Also space between 1st and 2nd node was like 0.5", while between 3rd and 4th - 1.5". Was thinking that this might cause less even auxin distribution.. but maybe not. This is only my 4th grow, so difficult to say..
So what do you think? Any comments about my assumptions? Cause I feel like I'm too inexperienced to make ones. Maybe you know any other pluses and minuses when topping one way or another?
Thanks and cheers!
lilroach
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jacksthc......I too had a runt like you're describing and did the UB's topping....Here's a link to how mine grew out:
https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog29715-im-gonna-give-uncle-ben.html#comments
Uncle Ben
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Looking really good. Looks like your plan worked and you learned quite a bit about what makes a plant tick. Keep us posted.....and upcanned. So in one day, topping, prunning and upcanning. Here are pics how plant looked at 1st, 3rd and 7th day after topping.
So I do not understand how people manage to get their plants stunned. None of plants I topped this or other way showed me more stress than simple LST..
I've noticed that this method has both advantages and drawbacks over your "topping above 2nd node".
Advantages
you get fatter stem at the base, possibly bigger root ball, 4 additional clones from 1st and 2nd node.
Disadvatages
it took 4 days longer before I was able to top. Also space between 1st and 2nd node was like 0.5", while between 3rd and 4th - 1.5". Was thinking that this might cause less even auxin distribution.. but maybe not. This is only my 4th grow, so difficult to say..
So what do you think? Any comments about my assumptions? Cause I feel like I'm too inexperienced to make ones. Maybe you know any other pluses and minuses when topping one way or another?
Thanks and cheers!
jacksthc
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yeh your right I really messed on on theses plants
if you need any advice on topping UB send me a pm, oh sorry you can't, better still just post any questions you may have and I will do my best to help
lilroach if your going to give any credit its not ub as you did a LBH's 4 way lst tutorial (w topping sub-tutorial)
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/438784-lbhs-4-way-lst-tutorial-10.html
but putting that a side you did grow that tree really well, nice one mate
papajohn
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well done buddyHey UB,
just wanted to thank you and post some results of mine.
I combined your technique with RM way of prunning before upcan and adapted that to my grow room.
this is how plant looked at 19th day of veg
I prunned two bottom nodes and applied some rooting gel on stem. Also took the top off leaving only 3rd and 4th node.
and upcanned. So in one day, topping, prunning and upcanning. Here are pics how plant looked at 1st, 3rd and 7th day after topping.
So I do not understand how people manage to get their plants stunned. None of plants I topped this or other way showed me more stress than simple LST..
I've noticed that this method has both advantages and drawbacks over your "topping above 2nd node".
Advantages
you get fatter stem at the base, possibly bigger root ball, 4 additional clones from 1st and 2nd node.
Disadvatages
it took 4 days longer before I was able to top. Also space between 1st and 2nd node was like 0.5", while between 3rd and 4th - 1.5". Was thinking that this might cause less even auxin distribution.. but maybe not. This is only my 4th grow, so difficult to say..
So what do you think? Any comments about my assumptions? Cause I feel like I'm too inexperienced to make ones. Maybe you know any other pluses and minuses when topping one way or another?
Thanks and cheers!
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