Humboldt Seed Organisation, anyone try their seeds?
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texin
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Ok a little smoke report on the 2 bd phenos I ended up with both keepers. First 1 was a short plant good yield rock hard buds. After a week cure smells and taste like bd, but the high is not as strong and a little different high then the cut only bd. Still very good high I threw a few more in the flowering I was very impressed.
That's a pic of the short phenol. Second phenol was a monster very thick stems rock hard bud big yield. This one does not taste like bd . I think it taste like the haze in the bd really strong. My girl says it taste and smells like a blue skunk. This is another keeper in my room very good up high pulled at 65 days. I pulled the rest today letting it go to 77 days. The smell is totally different when I was trimming today. So in about 2 weeks I will have a smoke report on the 2nd phenol at 77 days. I am very happy with both phenotypes I ended up with and they are just as potent as my clone only og cut. It's not a good pic, but here is the other half of the bd at 77 days. 
That's a pic of the short phenol. Second phenol was a monster very thick stems rock hard bud big yield. This one does not taste like bd . I think it taste like the haze in the bd really strong. My girl says it taste and smells like a blue skunk. This is another keeper in my room very good up high pulled at 65 days. I pulled the rest today letting it go to 77 days. The smell is totally different when I was trimming today. So in about 2 weeks I will have a smoke report on the 2nd phenol at 77 days. I am very happy with both phenotypes I ended up with and they are just as potent as my clone only og cut. It's not a good pic, but here is the other half of the bd at 77 days. 
SxIstew
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I'm getting a cut of the Haze pheno to cross with my Blueberry Muffin Pheno. Should make for a killer F1 Blue Dream...
Unequalibrium
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"haze" pheno of bd x "muffin" pheno of bd would be a f2. siblings crossed = f2I'm getting a cut of the Haze pheno to cross with my Blueberry Muffin Pheno. Should make for a killer F1 Blue Dream...
And f2 = lots of phenos
SxIstew
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Ummm.... When you cross 2 S1 plants that does NOT produce an F2. It's a Feminized F1 Hybrid..
S1 x S1 = F1(fem)
(Look it up if you don't believe me.)
Blue Dream by HSO is an S1(selfed) seed.
It wouldn't result in S2 either because they are 2 plants separately grown from seed.
They are NOT siblings because they are NOT from the same parent.
Just because the strain is the same does not make them siblings.
If they were from the same mother plant that would result in inbreeding. But they are NOT.
I'm Making F1 Blue Dream
I would then inbreed the sisters with the best pheno and that resemble each other for the F2, same for the F3 and then will BX to the original mother pollen to get an F1 end result.
SxIstew
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You have to understand they don't just use 1 plant to mass produce seeds. They use a bunch of clones.
I actually am not correctly saying this in the last post of mine.
EVEN siblings would become F1 if they are NOT F1 seeds from the start.
So even sister S1 plants crossed would make an F1 progeny for the first generation.
Crossing the F1 progeny would result in F2 and same for F2 and so on.
Once you BX to the original parent you return to F1 because the generational difference.
SO...
If I cross:
Haze pheno x Muffin Pheno = F1 BD
Find the right pheno that I want to achieve as an end result.
Keep THOSE plants and move the rest.
Those will be used for the F2 generation. One will be sprayed with CS and turn male to pollinate the rest.
F2 I will do the same thing. F3 and so on until the progeny are 100% what I want and then BX to the original Muffin Pheno mother by either spraying her or spraying the progeny.
I actually am not correctly saying this in the last post of mine.
EVEN siblings would become F1 if they are NOT F1 seeds from the start.
So even sister S1 plants crossed would make an F1 progeny for the first generation.
Crossing the F1 progeny would result in F2 and same for F2 and so on.
Once you BX to the original parent you return to F1 because the generational difference.
SO...
If I cross:
Haze pheno x Muffin Pheno = F1 BD
Find the right pheno that I want to achieve as an end result.
Keep THOSE plants and move the rest.
Those will be used for the F2 generation. One will be sprayed with CS and turn male to pollinate the rest.
F2 I will do the same thing. F3 and so on until the progeny are 100% what I want and then BX to the original Muffin Pheno mother by either spraying her or spraying the progeny.
Native Humboldt
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I'm just finishing with HSO Blue Dream beans and they look great if it were full Indicia. The leaves are fat and stocky and the plants are short and stout. I'm also doing several Blue Dream clones and they look completely different than HSO BD seeds. Don't get me wrong they look great just not the same. I'm also doing Lemon D and GSC from seed both are equally the bomb. Can't wait to field test all of them.
SxIstew
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Blue Dream(Mother)
HSO(Clone of a plant that was grown from seed.)
Mother of this plant in veg
VERY INDICA.
This clone in veg.
Not so much.
Unequalibrium
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No offense, but you're still confused. A bunch of clones = 1 plant. You're talking about clones. A clone is a clone whether you have 1 or a shit load. Hence the word CLONE. And s1 seeds don't exhibit such a wide array of phenos. Hso bd is not an s1. If it were, everyone's bd would be strikingly similar. Not haze pheno, blueberry pheno, and other phenos in between.
Self a plant and grow it's offspring. They'll all look the same. Reversing an s1 and hitting another s1 of the same strain will not make an f1 cross. You would be further weakening the genetics like that and wouldn't get any variety. But since hso bd isn't an s1 and you're working with 2 siblings displaying totally different phenotypes, you will have an f2.
SxIstew
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I have read all required information and have PLENTY of growers and breeders assisting me along the way
the first filial generation seeds/plants resulting from a cross mating of distinctly different parents.
So Phenotype is not a distinct difference between parents?
Just because plants are of the same strain does NOT make the cross an F2. You cannot skip a generation.
IF I were to inbreed F1 plants of the SAME PARENT it would result in F2.
If I were to BX an F1 to the original parent it would result in F2.
If the self'd plants were homozygous(true breeding) then the progeny is a feminised F1 hybrid...
If the parent plants were heterozygous(hybrid) then the progeny will be the f1 generation of a feminised polyhybrid.
SxIstew
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A reason I was mentioning clones is. They keep re making seeds over and over.
The Haze pheno and the Muffin pheno probably didn't have the EXACT same parent. But an identical clone of the parent.
Clones are 100% exact like their mother. NOT the resulting seed.
The difference in phenotype will result in a different looking, growing, and smelling Blue Dream. Regardless of the 2 plants being of the same strain. That are both grown from different seeds and parent plant, NOT cuts of the same parent.
Therefore I will be creating an F1 Blue Dream by crossing S1 x S1
I was recently told how I was wrong for assuming that If I hit my Blue Dream pollen to any other blue dream clone would result in F1(Which was more wrong information being spewed into my direction.)
Here's were the whole thing gets tricky. Because I will NOT be crossing S1 x S1.
In FACT I will be crossing:
Blue Dream S2(Muffin pheno) x Blue Dream S1(Haze pheno) = Blue Dream F1.
SxIstew
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And If anyone else still thinks I am wrong TELL me. But make sure to list your information and it's source. Because I have YET to find Info saying what I have said is Wrong.(What I said was information taken from other breeders websites)
If I have to I will Cross BOTH pheno's with a BAC(Bay Area Cut) Blue Dream S1(I have 1 seed, and it's NOT HSO, it's directly from northern Cali.)
I will cross each to the BAC and then the progeny together.
If this is the ONLY way to get an F1 generation I will do it.
I want the F1 for the Hybrid Vigor. And if I have to use another Blue Dream source to achieve this I will do so.
If I have to I will Cross BOTH pheno's with a BAC(Bay Area Cut) Blue Dream S1(I have 1 seed, and it's NOT HSO, it's directly from northern Cali.)
I will cross each to the BAC and then the progeny together.
If this is the ONLY way to get an F1 generation I will do it.
I want the F1 for the Hybrid Vigor. And if I have to use another Blue Dream source to achieve this I will do so.
itsgrowinglikeaweed
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Those who would be deceived...let them.