Obamacare Enrollment Estimates Less Than 50,000

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Funny how some look for failure in something that could/should help all. Must make for a petty and miserable life.
What a steaming pile of crap...

Obamacare is a lie with the objective of forcing people into single payer government healthcare. It is re-distribution of wealth to finance another government welfare program.

That is not something that helps all and if you dont know it you are lying to yourself.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Funny how some look for failure in something that could/should help all. Must make for a petty and miserable life.
You are making a huge assumption that it can or will help all. You were told it did, but what basis of proof are you using that THIS part is true when nothing else has been?

I would like to see health care reform too. It's a shame we got Obamacare instead and people are actually still fighting for it. It was designed to fail to some degree, overwhelm the system so we can blow it up and start over in a more fair and equitable way (based on the authors' idea of fair and equitable).

If you want to have a discussion on this being the best strategy I'm in, if you insist that Obamacare means health care for all then a debate would consist of no it doesn't, yes it does.

If 5 years from now, less people have insurance than they did before the bill was enacted would you admit it's not what was claimed and be for repealing?
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
What a steaming pile of crap...

Obamacare is a lie with the objective of forcing people into single payer government healthcare. It is re-distribution of wealth to finance another government welfare program.

That is not something that helps all and if you dont know it you are lying to yourself.
Distribution of wealth is a good thing
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Distribution of wealth is a good thing
It's a great thing when it's someone else's wealth and you are the recipient. If you are the target and it's your wealth, not so much. I feel satisfaction, pride and gratitude that I can when I help those less fortunate, it's rewarding. Taking from me to support things I may not support just doesn't have the same results.

Voluntary charity is almost always a noble thing, taking by force is almost never noble. It's also against the principles we are founded on. British royalty is an excellent example of redistribution of wealth, I'm not a fan.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
You are making a huge assumption that it can or will help all. You were told it did, but what basis of proof are you using that THIS part is true when nothing else has been?

I would like to see health care reform too. It's a shame we got Obamacare instead and people are actually still fighting for it. It was designed to fail to some degree, overwhelm the system so we can blow it up and start over in a more fair and equitable way (based on the authors' idea of fair and equitable).

If you want to have a discussion on this being the best strategy I'm in, if you insist that Obamacare means health care for all then a debate would consist of no it doesn't, yes it does.

If 5 years from now, less people have insurance than they did before the bill was enacted would you admit it's not what was claimed and be for repealing?
Take this challenge...You state how it won't help and I will state how it can...

LAST man standing wins..No repeating
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
What a steaming pile of crap...

Obamacare is a lie with the objective of forcing people into single payer government healthcare. It is re-distribution of wealth to finance another government welfare program.

That is not something that helps all and if you dont know it you are lying to yourself.
So you saying what we have in place now is working best for all ???
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Take this challenge...You state how it won't help and I will state how it can...

LAST man standing wins..No repeating
There is no collection agent that will force people to pay fines and relies on people doing the "right thing". If we could count on that, we wouldn't need insurance reform.

Challenge accepted, your turn.

Also, you must state how it will, not can. It CAN provide unicorns and happy endings but it won't.
 

greenlikemoney

Well-Known Member
so you are blind to the fact that your party is less popular than the thing you spam about every single day?

why don't you get off the computer, get a fucking life, and get a fucking job?

also, you're off by about 1900%. http://obamacaresignups.net/
No he's not, you twit. The numbers don't lie. Obamacare is a feckin' FAIL. It took a shorter amount of time to win WW II than it took to create this fiasco. Included in those numbers are Medicaid enrollees, financed entirely by the Government. Included in those numbers are people who have only "placed" a plan in their shopping cart, not purchased. If Amazon counted "shopping carts items" as sales, they would fire the CEO. All the "good intentions" reality is 180 degrees from the "facts/results" reality. And guess what? It's gonna get worse, every day the numbers will slowly slide farther into the abyss, along with peoples faith in the ridiculous "hope and change" that so many sheeple bought into because they just wanted to feel good about themselves. We should round up and behead every single person who anything to do with what will ultimately be a 1 billion failed experiment at the hands of the American taxpayer ( not a dime from the welfare recipients ).
 

beenthere

New Member
The only reason I deleted it was because It was against the site rules.

No one likes you.
Like I said, whoever deleted it saved UncleBuck further humiliation.
You have to be honest, guys like Buckie that dish it out but can't take it themselves are lil whiny bitches.

And if progressives on this board don't like me, I'll wear it like a badge of honor.
Why you so mad, bro?
 

greenlikemoney

Well-Known Member
Like I said, whoever deleted it saved UncleBuck further humiliation.
You have to be honest, guys like Buckie that dish it out but can't take it themselves are lil whiny bitches.

And if progressives on this board don't like me, I'll wear it like a badge of honor.
Why you so mad, bro?
Count me in that number also, and I'm not a Republican !!!! I'm not a white dude either.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
No he's not, you twit. The numbers don't lie. Obamacare is a feckin' FAIL. It took a shorter amount of time to win WW II than it took to create this fiasco. Included in those numbers are Medicaid enrollees, financed entirely by the Government. Included in those numbers are people who have only "placed" a plan in their shopping cart, not purchased. If Amazon counted "shopping carts items" as sales, they would fire the CEO. All the "good intentions" reality is 180 degrees from the "facts/results" reality. And guess what? It's gonna get worse, every day the numbers will slowly slide farther into the abyss, along with peoples faith in the ridiculous "hope and change" that so many sheeple bought into because they just wanted to feel good about themselves. We should round up and behead every single person who anything to do with what will ultimately be a 1 billion failed experiment at the hands of the American taxpayer ( not a dime from the welfare recipients ).
The good news for Obamcare and the Dem's is the fines rise quite quickly a few years from now so they can point to the improving signup numbers as more people are FORCED to pick a plan they do not want nor need...
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
There is no collection agent that will force people to pay fines and relies on people doing the "right thing". If we could count on that, we wouldn't need insurance reform.

Challenge accepted, your turn.

Also, you must state how it will, not can. It CAN provide unicorns and happy endings but it won't.
At this time most Americans have inadequate healthcare ( or none at all). Most find out how little health care they have AFTER a crisis, in which case it maybe to late. People without public or private insurance coverage are costly to all of us. When someone gets ill and goes to ER they must treat you by law, regardless of your inability to pay. Most Americans agree with this law. The catch is that only those ER's who receive funds for Medicare patients or other federal funds are in the jurisdiction of this law. The more uninsured patients in the ER, the higher the bills to Medicare, which is paid from the general fund which is created out of our taxes.
It is in everyone's best interests to maximize the number of Americans who are insured.

Do you have a better way to deal with people who use the ER for health care in which the charges are forwarded to tax payers or via increased charges ???



 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
At this time most Americans have inadequate healthcare ( or none at all). Most find out how little health care they have AFTER a crisis, in which case it maybe to late. People without public or private insurance coverage are costly to all of us. When someone gets ill and goes to ER they must treat you by law, regardless of your inability to pay. Most Americans agree with this law. The catch is that only those ER's who receive funds for Medicare patients or other federal funds are in the jurisdiction of this law. The more uninsured patients in the ER, the higher the bills to Medicare, which is paid from the general fund which is created out of our taxes.
It is in everyone's best interests to maximize the number of Americans who are insured.

Do you have a better way to deal with people who use the ER for health care in which the charges are forwarded to tax payers or via increased charges ???



Your post is well thought out and points out a problem with our existing system. What you fail to do is provide a method in which Obamacare prevents this. I submit this food for thought. If an ER MUST treat everyone without compensation, and O'care has a 6k deductible, are you more or less inclined to abuse the ER to meet this deductible? Does just HAVING insurance prevent this? How?

You have yet to provide anything O'care does and are arguing on what you THINK it should do. Not the same.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
I agree but we should go with what can help the most.
Over 80% of our population was satisfied with their plan before O'care. Now we are being told it's because we are too stupid to realize how bad our plan was. Over half the country is unhappy with O'care. I think you guys failed in that option.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
Over 80% of our population was satisfied with their plan before O'care. Now we are being told it's because we are too stupid to realize how bad our plan was. Over half the country is unhappy with O'care. I think you guys failed in that option.
Could you show me proof of this...LINK please
 
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