Was George W Bush worshipped and defended like Obama is?

[desert dude]

why is detroit such a popular punching bag?

why does no one bring up how the republican utopia of boise county, idaho is bankrupt?

or harrisburg, pennsylvania? that one is located in the heart of white appalachia.

why is it always the city most associated with black people that people like you harp about like shrill bantees?

Maybe it's because nobody outside the crazy left-wing boobyhatch has ever heard of "boise county, idaho"? Who hasn't heard of Mo' Town?

You go ahead and bag on those redneck hillbillies in white appalachia, though, Marie. Tell us how they have no teeth and are inferior.

 

[UncleBuck]

Maybe it's because nobody outside the crazy left-wing boobyhatch has ever heard of "boise county, idaho"? Who hasn't heard of Mo' Town?

You go ahead and bag on those redneck hillbillies in white appalachia, though, Marie. Tell us how they have no teeth and are inferior.

maybe it's just that people like you who join white supremacy groups turn a blind eye to bankrupt white cities but go around yelling and screaming if a black city goes bankrupt.

by the way, anyone who had to learn the state capitols in grade school has heard of boise.

 

[desert dude]

maybe it's just that people like you who join white supremacy groups turn a blind eye to bankrupt white cities but go around yelling and screaming if a black city goes bankrupt.

by the way, anyone who had to learn the state capitols in grade school has heard of boise.

So, boise county is a state capital city? You "learned" that in grade school, Buck, and then went on to become a college dropout with a working wife? You go, girl.

 

[greenlikemoney]

Um, I don't think Harrisburg Pa could, by any stretch of the imagination, be considered white, redneck Appalachia. Buck must have missed geography class that day. Harrisburg Pa is much more akin to the filth of Philadelphia than white, redneck Appalachia. Speaking of white, redneck Appalachia, Buck, are you a feckin' racist?

 

[UncleBuck]

Um, I don't think Harrisburg Pa could, by any stretch of the imagination, be considered white, redneck Appalachia. Buck must have missed geography class that day. Harrisburg Pa is much more akin to the filth of Philadelphia than white, redneck Appalachia. Speaking of white, redneck Appalachia, Buck, are you a feckin' racist?

"redneck" is your term, not mine. i said white appalachia. watch out, because desert dude, who joins white supremacy groups, will call you racist for using that slur against white people.

why do predominantly black cities get labeled "filth" by you? why do you also call american citizens by the derogatory slur of "anchor babies"?

 

[canndo]

IMO, the common people who admired and respected GW kept it to themselves or their circles.

With Obama, it's a whole new ballgame.
His persona, his popularity, especially with the economically challenged, is polarizing.
Obama is a promiser (my word) a modern day Robinhood.
I believe anytime a person in position gives the common man a glimmer of hope, it's hard for them to let go.

The poor and entitled really feel they have a horse in this race.

How do you think we got the Patriot Act? "pretty soon the people who knocked down these buildings will hear us" "mission accomplished", "evil doers", "mushroom cloud", "nucular". Bush was defended and made excuses for for years.

More to the point, they defended his idea of Presidential power, they defended his use of torture, they defended his failures over and over again, the way he handled news of 9/11, the way he handled Katrina. They even stated that we should never EVER take issue with our commander in chief in a time of war (but had no problem criticizing THIS commander in chief during the same wars). They defended his unitary executive actions and his presidential signing statements. They defended each and everything he did even though, when this next president took office, when this president did the same things, they either grew silent, or objected - to the same sorts of actions.

There were many who actually held to the notion that we really have a 4 year king, and if we didn't like what he did, we should simply shut our mouths about it and vote him out of office if we didn't like what he was doing.

These people believed in almost unbounded presidential power and did everything they could to encourage or hurry that power along. Now they reap what they have sown. Oh they might not have fallen victim to Bush's charisma quite so throughly but they even had a name for us "Bush derangement syndrome". Some of us still suffer from that disease. Only now there is "Obama derangement syndrome" where nothing, no matter what, no matter how, that Obama does, is, intends, thinks or says can possibly be right. Given that, given that absolute hatred of the man, is it any wonder that some of us will go out of our way to defend him? The guy simply can not be as bad as so many paint him and so we feel we must counteract some of that venom.

The hard left hated him and thought he was stupid and incompetent while at the same time they were certain that he had a cruel, sly agenda that he was forwarding with his every action, and the right defended each and every action, even Medicare part D.

 

[NoDrama]

why is detroit such a popular punching bag?

why does no one bring up how the republican utopia of boise county, idaho is bankrupt?

Because that has NOTHING to do with poor management, but instead a giant lawsuit. They have the cash to run things, but not enough to pay millions to settle a lawsuit AND run things.

Detroit just plain ran out of money due to terrible decisions by politicians, now the taxpayers and the pension holders suffer while the politicians live high on the hog.

 

[desert dude]

How do you think we got the Patriot Act? "pretty soon the people who knocked down these buildings will hear us" "mission accomplished", "evil doers", "mushroom cloud", "nucular". Bush was defended and made excuses for for years.

More to the point, they defended his idea of Presidential power, they defended his use of torture, they defended his failures over and over again, the way he handled news of 9/11, the way he handled Katrina. They even stated that we should never EVER take issue with our commander in chief in a time of war (but had no problem criticizing THIS commander in chief during the same wars). They defended his unitary executive actions and his presidential signing statements. They defended each and everything he did even though, when this next president took office, when this president did the same things, they either grew silent, or objected - to the same sorts of actions.

There were many who actually held to the notion that we really have a 4 year king, and if we didn't like what he did, we should simply shut our mouths about it and vote him out of office if we didn't like what he was doing.

These people believed in almost unbounded presidential power and did everything they could to encourage or hurry that power along. Now they reap what they have sown. Oh they might not have fallen victim to Bush's charisma quite so throughly but they even had a name for us "Bush derangement syndrome". Some of us still suffer from that disease. Only now there is "Obama derangement syndrome" where nothing, no matter what, no matter how, that Obama does, is, intends, thinks or says can possibly be right. Given that, given that absolute hatred of the man, is it any wonder that some of us will go out of our way to defend him? The guy simply can not be as bad as so many paint him and so we feel we must counteract some of that venom.

The hard left hated him and thought he was stupid and incompetent while at the same time they were certain that he had a cruel, sly agenda that he was forwarding with his every action, and the right defended each and every action, even Medicare part D.

Did the Dems vote for the patriot act? Do we still have the patriotic act? Has the patriot act been strengthened? Has Obama made any progress on unwinding "unbounded presidential power"? Are patriot act powers being used by the current NSA to snoop on all of us? Has Obama defended this gargon stare style of snooping on all of us?

My question about defenders of Bush was directed at RIU members and this forum though. Was there a group of right wing types that sprung to Bush's defense if one critical comment was made about him?

 

[Wavels]

My question about defenders of Bush was directed at RIU members and this forum though. Was there a group of right wing types that sprung to Bush's defense if one critical comment was made about him?

ViRedd
7xstall
doc111

These guys come to mind as regular right leaning contributors in those days....they defended Bush with far less hyperbolic vitriol than current Obama acolytes display.
IMO (I smoke dope, so how do I know what happened back then?)

 

[Wavels]

And big shoutout to medicineman, out there somewhere??? I hope.
He was a grownup version of UncleBuck.

 

[GrowinDad]

Okay, so Obama supported Al Quaeda by killing its leader. Makes alot of fucking sense!!

And he supports jihad I am sure for some equally logical reason.

I have no idea who UB's wife is. Nor have I ever corresponded with UB. Attacking someone's kids, mom, or wife is wrong. And if his wife is fat and ugly, what fuck issue it of your's? All people in this world need love, affection, and companionship. If UB is more advanced than most of us and can look only at inner beauty, then I applaud him.

Be human!!!

 

[ginwilly]

I have no idea who UB's wife is. Nor have I ever corresponded with UB. Attacking someone's kids, mom, or wife is wrong. And if his wife is fat and ugly, what fuck issue it of your's? All people in this world need love, affection, and companionship. If UB is more advanced than most of us and can look only at inner beauty, then I applaud him.

Be human!!!

Pictures of his wife are on this site. She's not bad at all and Buck has done very well for himself. He married a trust fund baby that lets him sit at home and grow pot. If his goal was to be someone's housebitch then I congratulate him. I'm not a fan of the way people talk about her trying to get a rise out of UB. She's done nothing to deserve that.

I'll go on record here and say I'd hit it, well done UB.

 

[canndo]

Did the Dems vote for the patriot act? Do we still have the patriotic act? Has the patriot act been strengthened? Has Obama made any progress on unwinding "unbounded presidential power"? Are patriot act powers being used by the current NSA to snoop on all of us? Has Obama defended this gargon stare style of snooping on all of us?

My question about defenders of Bush was directed at RIU members and this forum though. Was there a group of right wing types that sprung to Bush's defense if one critical comment was made about him?

Yes they did vote for it. Lots of reasons, the first and formost being that Dems don't typicaly vote in stonewalling blocks, some were resistant if i recall. Some were buffaloed into voting for it, some legitimately were frightened of the consequences of NOT having such a plan and some were frghtened into voting by the executive.

Yes we do and yes it has, but as you said, that wasn't the question.
Yes they are, that is the point that Republicans didn't get. They were certain that they would have the exectutive branch for ever. They seem to think they deserve it.... forever and so they never considered that the same executive power they were fighting for might be passed into the hands of a president they didn't agree with.
The NSA program was initiated long before Obama took office btw.

I was not here during the Bush administration but can only speak of the forums I was a part of. I can only presume that they are all a bit alike.

 

[ginwilly]

Yes they are, that is the point that Republicans didn't get. They were certain that they would have the exectutive branch for ever. They seem to think they deserve it.... forever and so they never considered that the same executive power they were fighting for might be passed into the hands of a president they didn't agree with.
The NSA program was initiated long before Obama took office btw.

I made that argument back then as "do you want Hillary to have those powers?", I make it now as "do you want Sarah Palin to have those powers?". Sadly, team mentality trumps logic.

 

[GrowinDad]

To my knowledge only one Dem voted against the Patriotic, and he's dead now - Paul Wellstone.

No excuse for Obama not developing his own intel program, if that is the reality. He knew who is predecessor was. IMHO if he didn't know what we were doing it is worse than if we did. Of course, for all we know Snowden could be CIA and all this shit going public was retaliation for changes he intended to make. How is that for a conspiracy theory.

 

[ChesusRice]

Okay, so Obama supported Al Quaeda by killing its leader. Makes alot of fucking sense!!

And he supports jihad I am sure for some equally logical reason.

I have no idea who UB's wife is. Nor have I ever corresponded with UB. Attacking someone's kids, mom, or wife is wrong. And if his wife is fat and ugly, what fuck issue it of your's? All people in this world need love, affection, and companionship. If UB is more advanced than most of us and can look only at inner beauty, then I applaud him.

Be human!!!

They call my filipina wife a ladyboy
I was wished that my family in the philippines drowned yesterday
This is the "family values" republicans that post here saying that

 

[echelon1k1]

They call my filipina wife a ladyboy
I was wished that my family in the philippines drowned yesterday
This is the "family values" republicans that post here saying that

..........

 

[canndo]

I made that argument back then as "do you want Hillary to have those powers?", I make it now as "do you want Sarah Palin to have those powers?". Sadly, team mentality trumps logic.

We agree. No president should have the powers that have steadily leached into the whitehouse. I actually did argue with folks back then who believed as I stated, that the presidency was a four year monarchy. Obama took all the shiny new tools that Bush left behind and sharpened them in order to make us "safe", from what exactly? why from an emotion. Now, after Republicans GAVE Bush massive new powers, they blame Obama for not giving them up, for not tearing down what was handed to him on a great silver eagle imprinted platter. Or does the right figure that had Romney won HE would have dismantled all of those invasive and abusive programs?

 

[ginwilly]

We agree. No president should have the powers that have steadily leached into the whitehouse. I actually did argue with folks back then who believed as I stated, that the presidency was a four year monarchy. Obama took all the shiny new tools that Bush left behind and sharpened them in order to make us "safe", from what exactly? why from an emotion. Now, after Republicans GAVE Bush massive new powers, they blame Obama for not giving them up, for not tearing down what was handed to him on a great silver eagle imprinted platter. Or does the right figure that had Romney won HE would have dismantled all of those invasive and abusive programs?

To be honest, I feel Romney would have been even worse.

This goes back to what I said how it's worse when a family value candidate cheats on his wife. It's worse for Mr. Transparency for the same reason. It's actually the same thing, but you get my point I hope, the perception is what I mean by worse. It's just as bad for either party in reality, but when a party runs a certain platform, bends that platform over and dry rams it, the perception is worse than when somebody we fully expect to do this does it. For me, I would expect Bushney to war monger and trample on freedoms in the name of security, for Obama to do the same exact thing feels more like betrayal. For my fellow countrymen to defend one while bashing the other is depressing because I know nothing will ever change.

I don't know if that made any sense. I get lost trying to make an emotional argument.

 

[Impman]

Did Obama invade Iraq and send thousands of kids to die?