londonfog
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Sure is ... being a traveling man I have learned and seen that.
Ask yourself why you are not troubled by the failure of the Health Care rollout?
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londonfog
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No Man is an Island
No man is an island, no man stands alone
Each man's joy is joy to me
Each man's grief is my own
We need one another, so I will defend
Each man as my brother
Each man as my friend
No man is an island far out in the blue
We all look to One above
Who our strength doth renew
When I help my brother
Then I know that I plant the seeds
Of friends that will never die
I saw the people gather
I heard the music start
The song that they were singing
Is ringing in my heart
No man is an island, no man stands alone
Each man's joy is joy to me
Each man's grief is my own
We need one another, so I will defend
Each man as my brother
Each man as my friend
I was being facetious
ginwilly
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No fair bringing Joan into this 
This is what sucks, I try to live my life this way but get called all sorts of nasty names because I think O'care fails us on so many levels. I feel I give as much help as many and more than most but because I disagree with the lies I'm seen as a hateful racist. I sat with our Congressman back during the debates and told him what I thought. He was cordial and impressed and came to my hospital for a forum that lasted 5 hrs. He (Jim Marshall) was one of the few dems that voted against the bill because it lacked anything of substance but was still voted out after in the anti-incumbent fervor that O'care prompted. This was a man who did more for veterans while in office than anyone not named McCain but was a victim of those two very dark years in our period.
This is what sucks, I try to live my life this way but get called all sorts of nasty names because I think O'care fails us on so many levels. I feel I give as much help as many and more than most but because I disagree with the lies I'm seen as a hateful racist. I sat with our Congressman back during the debates and told him what I thought. He was cordial and impressed and came to my hospital for a forum that lasted 5 hrs. He (Jim Marshall) was one of the few dems that voted against the bill because it lacked anything of substance but was still voted out after in the anti-incumbent fervor that O'care prompted. This was a man who did more for veterans while in office than anyone not named McCain but was a victim of those two very dark years in our period.
Mister Sister
Active Member
This!
Nobody is happy because there isn't affordable health care. Just because "Affordable Care" is in the name does not make it true. When 1% of the population owns over 45% of the wealth, the time is ripe to seek out the BS and expose it. Then bury it, fertilize your plants with it and move on.
The people need to reclaim their authority before it's all gone.
Canna Sylvan
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The answer is Obamacare doesn't fix the issue he addressed. How the fuck did you get into college? My guess is the same way you got your gold plan.
Well, that about sums it up, goodnight folks.
Rob Roy
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I'm not a Republican. If something is a bad law, you don't "pitch in" and meekly accept it. You ignore it or try to make it go away. This is a pot forum isn't it ? Hmmm.
Wavels
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This addresses the OPs question quite well, IMO.
NOVEMBER 14, 2013 4:00 AM
Obamacare Schadenfreudarama
It feels pretty good to watch the whole thing fail.
To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, youd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the unraveling of Obamacare.
First, the obligatory caveats. It is no laughing matter that millions of Americans lives have been thrown into anxious chaos as they lose their health insurance, their doctors, their money, or all three. Nor is it particularly amusing to think of the incredible waste of time and tax dollars that has gone into Obamacares construction. And the still-unfolding violence that this misbegotten legislation will visit on the economy and our liberties is not funny either. This very magazine has been downright funereal about the brazen and unconstitutional seizure of one-sixth of the economy, and rightly so.
But come on, people.
If you cant take some joy, some modicum of relief and mirth, in the unprecedentedly spectacular beclowning of the president, his administration, its enablers, and, to no small degree, liberalism itself, then you need to ask yourself why youre following politics in the first place. Because, frankly, this has been one of the most enjoyable political moments of my lifetime. I wake up in the morning and rush to find my just-delivered newspaper with a joyful expectation of worsening news so intense, I feel like Morgan Freeman should be narrating my trek to the front lawn. Indeed, not since Dan Rather handcuffed himself to a fraudulent typewriter, hurled it into the abyss, and saw his career plummet like Ted Kennedy was behind the wheel have I enjoyed a story more.
Full article http://www.nationalreview.com/article/363907/obamacare-schadenfreudarama-jonah-goldberg
NOVEMBER 14, 2013 4:00 AM
Obamacare Schadenfreudarama
It feels pretty good to watch the whole thing fail.
To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, youd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the unraveling of Obamacare.
First, the obligatory caveats. It is no laughing matter that millions of Americans lives have been thrown into anxious chaos as they lose their health insurance, their doctors, their money, or all three. Nor is it particularly amusing to think of the incredible waste of time and tax dollars that has gone into Obamacares construction. And the still-unfolding violence that this misbegotten legislation will visit on the economy and our liberties is not funny either. This very magazine has been downright funereal about the brazen and unconstitutional seizure of one-sixth of the economy, and rightly so.
But come on, people.
If you cant take some joy, some modicum of relief and mirth, in the unprecedentedly spectacular beclowning of the president, his administration, its enablers, and, to no small degree, liberalism itself, then you need to ask yourself why youre following politics in the first place. Because, frankly, this has been one of the most enjoyable political moments of my lifetime. I wake up in the morning and rush to find my just-delivered newspaper with a joyful expectation of worsening news so intense, I feel like Morgan Freeman should be narrating my trek to the front lawn. Indeed, not since Dan Rather handcuffed himself to a fraudulent typewriter, hurled it into the abyss, and saw his career plummet like Ted Kennedy was behind the wheel have I enjoyed a story more.
Full article http://www.nationalreview.com/article/363907/obamacare-schadenfreudarama-jonah-goldberg
Winter Woman
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A couple of years of having to pay a copayment and deductible that is $10k will bankrupt the very same people you say needed this cost saving insurance.
nitro harley
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Canndo....
The Dems had a party and told half of america to go fuck them selves and you don't get it?....People in oregon had ins opportunities this whole time for years now..The poor and the rich and the per existing condition people..We were all covered...So there was something that could of been done to help everybody and what we got was a sign here, and spill your guts on your friends while you are at it...Fuck BarryO and all the lying pieces of shit that stand behind him...I can't stand liars....
One more thing about people losing there homes...My brothers wife died a little over a year ago, and they had her plugged into life support for 10 days at a cost of over 10,000K per day total bill was over 120,000k and he paid almost zero...That is a balance of Zero, he didn't lose his house and he didn't have health care...So who are the poor people that are losing there homes unless they just can't make the payments?
answer: that would be between you and your bankruptcy attorney..typical Chapter 7 you MUST liquidate EVERYTHING..home, vehicles, furniture..if you make 30k/year..it wouldn't take much:
Who is earning the most: Young people continued to struggle last year, with those under the age of 35 seeing slight drops in income while those 35 and made some gains.
Women made 77% of what men made, unchanged from the year before but up from 61% in 1960. Over one million men found full time work last year, as the economy recovered. Some have dubbed the most recent recession the "mancession," as large numbers of men have left the workforce.
Asians had the highest household income ($68,600), followed by whites ($57,000), Hispanics ($39,000) and blacks ($33,300).
Related: 48 million Americans without health insurance
How the poorest are faring: The recession also pushed many more people into poverty. In 2010, the poverty rate peaked at 15.1%, and has barely fallen since then. This is the first time the poverty rate has remained at or above 15% three years running since 1965.
Those making $23,492 a year for a family of four, or $11,720 for an individualwere considered to be living in poverty.
While the ranks of the poor are still elevated from the recession, overall poverty is remains far below the 22.4% it was at in 1959 when the Census first began tracking the data. Over the last 25 years, the poverty rate has averaged just over 13%. http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/17/news/economy/poverty-income/
ginwilly
Well-Known Member
OK, now that you understand that, how did O'care's lifetime gap prevent this? Especially for those making 30K a year. The rich are protected though, so you have that going for you. O'care protects rich people from owing too much, was that the plan?
greenlikemoney
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I wonder how much of the $1 billion that got funneled to Barrys buddys up in Canada to pretend to design a website will get kicked back to Barry once he leaves office.
Seriously, it's gonna end up costing $1 billion for that website. $1 billion.
Seriously, it's gonna end up costing $1 billion for that website. $1 billion.
ginwilly
Well-Known Member
3 years, almost a billion dollars and it's full of glitches. But let the central planners handle things, they are so efficient.
Scoring the argument for or against central planning, this one goes to those against in a mercy rule win.
hmmm..you and your husband have a baby with a debilitating lifelong illness..spina bifida for example..if the lifetime cap is 1M, that will be exhausted with only a few years of care..spina bifida children life span has gone from their 30's to now living in their 40's..
as for my comment about team mentality this country was not built on a lack thereof..anything we've done well, we've done as the UNITED States of America..and i'm very proud to be a part of this country and share in the freedom others' only can dream of..the comment wasn't meant to be personal..no harm, no foul?
greenlikemoney
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I can't wait to hear Bucky and Cheezys excuses today about the pathetic enrollment numbers. My guess is all the blame goes to the "website in progress" excuse rather than the "we thought he said he was going to give us free healthcare since we already got free cell phones and expect free flat screens next year" low/no information voter excuse.
ginwilly
Well-Known Member
A 30% co-pay on those bills would be 300K for that family, maybe you can sustain that, but most can't. You'll have to do better to show how O'care prevents bankruptcies. There were safeguards in place to help those with disabled kids, but Obamacare did only a little more. Those facing huge medical bills pre-O'care are still facing those bills, they just might not be as much. A 5million dollar hospital bill would ruin me, but a 500K bill may as well be 500M as far as my bank account is concerned. If I were in the rich category, it would matter significantly though, so O'care does help one segment of the population in that regard. Was that the plan? protect rich people from paying too much?hmmm..you and your husband have a baby with a debilitating lifelong illness..spina bifida for example..if the lifetime cap is 1M, that will be exhausted with only a few years of care..spina bifida children life span has gone from their 30's to now living in their 40's..
as for my comment about team mentality this country was not built on a lack thereof..anything we've done well, we've done as the UNITED States of America..and i'm very proud to be a part of this country and share in the freedom others' only can dream of..the comment wasn't meant to be personal..no harm, no foul?
We are absolutely a team creature, we are pack animals by nature, i get where you are coming from now, sorry for the misunderstanding. For socialism or communism to work, that pack nature would have to change into a hive/colony nature. Evolution may eventually bring humans to that end and we all work like good little worker bees for the hive, but we are no where close yet. Man, like any other animal, prospers most when acting in their own self-interest. You might find this sentiment appalling, but you can't prove it wrong.
the shutdown cost us $24B..seriously, it end up costing us $24B for that little soap box extravaganza. $24B
ginwilly
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And could have been avoided by delaying the individual mandate. Something that will most likely happen anyway as it's the right thing to do.