Have you enrolled in AHCA and what was your experience?

beenthere

New Member
And calyxes have nothing to do with the relationship between the plants nitrogen intake during mid to late flowering and THC content.
There is no time during the plant's life that the calyxes have nothing to do with thc content.
Read again, sparky.
You didn't come remotely close to addressing the point.
Besides, calyxes do not play a roll in the development of cannabinoids.
Do you even know what a calyxes are?
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
Besides, calyxes do not play a roll in the development of cannabinoids.
Do you even know what a calyxes are?
Calyxes are the part of the plant where most of the trichomes grow. Clusters of calyxes are the part of the plant called a bud.

Do you know what buds are?
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
here are what healthy, well fed plants should look like at harvest. perhaps some yellowing in the fan leaves, but no neon yellow sugar leaf.

and really, that a plant should turn all yellow is a myth. some color change is OK, neon yellow sugar leaf is a failure.












Nice plants. They look really healthy with the leaves all reaching out instead of drooping. I like the color too, they don't look like Beenthere's sickly yellow moldy turds with droopy neon yellow leaves.
 

beenthere

New Member
I guess we see jealousy and grudge holding, only.

I would slap yo real momma, ha ha ha, for these results. Nothing personal.

Nice plants. They look really healthy with the leaves all reaching out instead of drooping. I like the color too, they don't look like Beenthere's sickly yellow moldy turds with droopy neon yellow leaves.
At least Doer was honest and knows what he's talking about.

The majority of yellow you think you are seeing is light refraction from the sun on sativa, they dont have the chlorophyll indica has, but you already knew that, right.

And Buckies plants are nice, but like I've said before, a monkey can grow indica in dirt.
If I was more concerned about growing bushy green plants than I am quality herb, I'd grow ferns.

Now lets see yours!
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Nice plants. They look really healthy with the leaves all reaching out instead of drooping. I like the color too, they don't look like Beenthere's sickly yellow moldy turds with droopy neon yellow leaves.
thank you.

some of the leaves will inevitably droop as you well know, but the droopiness and yellowness of the leaves on beentheres plants, as well as their proximity to the bud, is highly concerning. if i see a droopy yellow leaf sticking out of an otherwise healthy bud, mold is the first thing that comes to mind. more specifically, nascent notritis within the bud, yet to manifest on the surface, but unsmokable nonetheless.

Now lets see yours!
you really want further embarrassment?

i've seen his pics, and his are a great example of a nice, golden hue at harvest in the fan leaves while sugar leaves remain pert, and not droopy/neon, like yours.

i'll let abandon choose whether or not to humor you.
 

nitro harley

Well-Known Member
here are what healthy, well fed plants should look like at harvest. perhaps some yellowing in the fan leaves, but no neon yellow sugar leaf.

and really, that a plant should turn all yellow is a myth. some color change is OK, neon yellow sugar leaf is a failure.














I see yellowing in third pic down on sugar leaves...I get a little bit of that too right at the end...sometimes...

 

Doer

Well-Known Member
I realized that when you praised them.;)
I hope you are not saying that had I known they were yours, I too, would have taken a dump on them?

You don't know me at all, if that's the case. I move on and then move on from that.

IAC, there are other sections of forum to discuss cola wagging.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
I do not see how. Would you connect those dots?
Exactly. That was just more P_A. I contend, quite formally, there is no difference. Let's see, about 3 times if not 4.

The P_A aspect of the question assumes I simply lack the ability, education, life experience and self study, to see the difference.

I never let too much pussy slow me down. :)
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Ok, I still believe you are dodging my question.

Your answer concludes that you cannot distinguish the difference between, communism, socialism (any type) or capitalism of any type.

Is that right?
You dodge all self respect, I see.
 

beenthere

New Member
I hope you are not saying that had I known they were yours, I too, would have taken a dump on them?

You don't know me at all, if that's the case. I move on and then move on from that.

IAC, there are other sections of forum to discuss cola wagging.
I would hope you wouldn't, with that said, my snide remark was unwarranted, my apologies.
 

greenlikemoney

Well-Known Member
here are what healthy, well fed plants should look like at harvest. perhaps some yellowing in the fan leaves, but no neon yellow sugar leaf.

and really, that a plant should turn all yellow is a myth. some color change is OK, neon yellow sugar leaf is a failure.












Quick, get those into the "cat shit n' piss curing room", there's no time to waste !!!!!!
 

justanotherbozo

Well-Known Member
[h=1]http://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2008/lessons-fall-romneycare

Lessons from the Fall of RomneyCare[/h] By Michael D. Tanner
When then-Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney signed into law the nation's most far-reaching state health care reform proposal, it was widely expected to be a centerpiece of his presidential campaign. In fact Governor Romney bragged that he would "steal" the traditionally Democratic issue of health care. "Issues which have long been the province of the Democratic Party to claim as their own will increasingly move to the Republican side of the aisle," he told Bloomberg News Service shortly after signing the bill. He told other reporters that the biggest difference between his health care plan and Hillary Clinton's was "mine got passed and hers didn't."
Outside observers on both the Right and Left praised the program. Edmund Haislmaier of the Heritage Foundation hailed it as "one of the most promising strategies out there." And Hillary Clinton adviser Stuart Altman said, "The Massachusetts plan could become a catalyst and a galvanizing event at the national level, and a catalyst for other states."
Today, however, Romney seldom mentions his plan on the campaign trail. If pressed he maintains that he is "proud" of what he accomplished, while criticizing how the Democratic administration that succeeded him has implemented the program. Nevertheless, he now focuses on changing federal tax law in order to empower individuals to buy health insurance outside their employer, and on incentives for states to deregulate their insurance industry. He would also use block grants for both Medicaid and federal uncompensated care funds to encourage greater state innovation. He encourages states to experiment, but does not offer his own state as a model.
A Double Failure
There's good reason for his change of position. The Massachusetts plan was supposed to accomplish two things — achieve universal health insurance coverage while controlling costs. As Romney wrote in the Wall Street Journal, "Every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance and the costs of health care will be reduced." In reality, the plan has done neither.
Perhaps the most publicized aspect of the Massachusetts reform is its mandate that every resident have health insurance, whether provided by an employer or the government or purchased individually. "I like mandates," Romney said during a debate in New Hampshire. "The mandate works." But did it?
Technically the last day to sign up for insurance in compliance with that mandate was November 15, though as a practical measure Massachusetts residents actually had until January 1, 2008. Those without insurance as of that date will lose their personal exemption for the state income tax when they file this spring. In 2009, the penalty will increase to 50 percent of the cost of a standard insurance policy.
Such a mandate was, of course, a significant infringement on individual choice and liberty. As the Congressional Budget Office noted, the mandate was "unprecedented," and represented the first time that a state has required that an individual, simply because they live in a state and for no other reason, must purchase a specific government-designated product.
It was also a failure.
When the bill was signed, Governor Romney, the media, state lawmakers, and health care reform advocates hailed the mandate as achieving universal coverage. "All Massachusetts citizens will have health insurance. It's a goal Democrats and Republicans share, and it has been achieved by a bipartisan effort," Romney wrote.
Before RomneyCare was enacted, estimates of the number of uninsured in Massachusetts ranged from 372,000 to 618,000. Under the new program, about 219,000 previously uninsured residents have signed up for insurance. Of these, 133,000 are receiving subsidized coverage, proving once again that people are all too happy to accept something "for free," and let others pay the bill. That is in addition to 56,000 people who have been signed up for Medicaid. The bigger the subsidy, the faster people are signing up. Of the 133,000 people who have signed up for insurance since the plan was implemented, slightly more than half have received totally free coverage.
It's important to note that the subsidies in Massachusetts are extensive and reach well into the middle class-available on a sliding scale to those with incomes up to 300 percent of the federal poverty level. That means subsidies would be available for those with incomes ranging from $30,480 for a single individual to as much as $130,389 for a married couple with seven children. A typical married couple with two children would qualify for a subsidy if their income were below $63,000.
What we don't know is how many of those receiving subsidized insurance were truly uninsured and how many had insurance that either they or their employer was paying for. Studies indicate that substitution of taxpayer-financed for privately funded insurance is a common occurrence with other government programs such as Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP). Massachusetts has attempted to limit this "crowdout" effect by requiring that individuals be uninsured for at least six months before qualifying for subsidies. Still some substitution is likely to have occurred.
The subsidies may have increased the number of Massachusetts citizens with insurance, but as many as 400,000 Massachusetts residents by some estimates have failed to buy the required insurance. That includes the overwhelming majority of those with incomes too high to qualify for state subsidies. Fewer than 30,000 unsubsidized residents have signed up as a result of the mandate. And that is on top of the 60,000 of the state's uninsured who were exempted from the mandate because buying insurance would be too much of a financial burden.
Billion-Dollar Overrun
According to insurance industry insiders, the plans are too costly for the target market, and the potential customers — largely younger, healthy men — have resisted buying them. Those who have signed up have been disproportionately older and less healthy. This should come as no surprise since Massachusetts maintains a modified form of community rating, which forces younger and healthier individuals to pay higher premiums in order to subsidize premiums for the old and sick.
Thus, between half and two-thirds of those uninsured before the plan was implemented remain so. That's a far cry from universal coverage. In fact, whatever progress has been made toward reducing the ranks of the uninsured appears to be almost solely the result of the subsidies. The much ballyhooed mandate itself appears to have had almost no impact.
The Massachusetts plan might not have achieved universal coverage, but it has cost taxpayers a great deal of money. Originally, the plan was projected to cost $1.8 billion this year. Now it is expected to exceed those estimates by $150 million. Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney-Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted. And the cost to Massachusetts taxpayers could be even higher because new federal rules could deprive the state of $100 million per year in Medicaid money that the state planned to use to help finance the program.
Given that the state is already facing a projected budget deficit this year, the pressure to raise taxes, cut reimbursements to health care providers, or cap insurance premiums will likely be intense. Romney likes to brag that he accomplished his health care plan "without raising taxes." Unless something turns around, that is not likely to be the case much longer.
Moreover, the cost of the plan is also likely to continue rising, because the Massachusetts reform has failed to hold down the cost of health care. When Romney signed his plan he claimed "a key objective is to lower the cost of health insurance for all our citizens and allow our citizens to buy the insurance plan that fits their needs." In actuality, insurance premiums in the state are expected to rise 10–12 percent next year, double the national average.
The Bureaucratic Connector
Although there are undoubtedly many factors behind the cost increase, one reason is that the new bureaucracy that the legislation created — the "Connector" — has not been allowing Massachusetts citizens to buy insurance that "fits their needs."
Although it has received less media attention than other aspects of the bill, one of the most significant features of the legislation is the creation of the Massachusetts Health Care Connector to combine the current small-group and individual markets under a single unified set of regulations. Supporters such as Robert E. Moffit and Nina Owcharenko of the Heritage Foundation consider the Connector to be the single most important change made by the legislation, calling it "the cornerstone of the new plan" and "a major innovation and a model for other states."
The Connector is not actually an insurer. Rather, it is designed to allow individuals and workers in small companies to take advantage of the economies of scale, both in terms of administration and risk pooling, which are currently enjoyed by large employers. Multiple employers are able to pay into the Connector on behalf of a single employee. And, most importantly, the Connector would allow workers to use pretax dollars to purchase individual insurance. That would make insurance personal and portable, rather than tied to an employer — all very desirable things.
However, many people were concerned that the Connector was being granted too much regulatory authority. It was given the power to decide what products it would offer and to designate which types of insurance offered "high quality and good value." This phrase in particular worried many observers because it is the same language frequently included in legislation mandating insurance benefits.
At the time the legislation passed, Ed Haislmaier of the Heritage Foundation reassured critics that "the Connector will neither design the insurance products being offered nor regulate the insurers offering the plans." In reality, however, the Connector's board has seen itself as a combination of the state legislature and the insurance commissioner, adding a host of new regulations and mandates.
For example, the Connector's governing board has decreed that by January 2009, no one in the state will be allowed to have insurance with more than a $2,000 deductible or total out-of-pocket costs of more than $5,000. In addition, every policy in the state will be required to phase in coverage of prescription drugs, a move that could add 5–15 percent to the cost of insurance plans. A move to require dental coverage barely failed to pass the board, and the dentists — along with several other provider groups — have not given up the effort to force their inclusion. This comes on top of the 40 mandated benefits that the state had previously required, ranging from in vitro fertilization to chiropractic services.
Thus, it appears that the Connector offers quite a bit of pain for relatively little gain. Although the ability to use pretax dollars to purchase personal and portable insurance should be appealing in theory, only about 7,500 nonsubsidized workers have purchased insurance through the Connector so far. On the other hand, rather than insurance that "fits their needs," Massachusetts residents find themselves forced to buy expensive "Cadillac" policies that offer many benefits that they may not want.
Governor Romney now says that he cannot be held responsible for the actions of the Connector board, because it's "an independent body separate from the governor's office." However, many critics of the Massachusetts plan warned him precisely against the dangers of giving regulatory authority to a bureaucracy that would last long beyond his administration.
ClintonRomneyEdwardsCare
Despite the problems being encountered in Massachusetts, the Romney plan continues to receive a surprising amount of support as a model for reform. The health care plans advocated by all three of the leading Democratic presidential candidates — Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Barack Obama — are all substantially the same as Romney's. They are all variations of a concept called "managed competition," which leaves insurance privately owned but forces it to operate in an artificial and highly regulated marketplace similar to a public utility. All of their plans include an individual mandate (only for children in Obama's case, and for everyone in Clinton's and Edwards's plans), increased regulation, a government-designed standard benefits package, and a new pooling mechanism similar to the Connector.
Romney denounces Senator Clinton's plan as "government run health care," but there really is very little difference between the Romney and Clinton plans.
In addition, several states have been seeking to use Massachusetts as a model for their own reforms. In California, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger added an employer mandate to a plan that otherwise looked very much like the Massachusetts plan. Other states considering similar proposals include Alaska, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, New York, Oregon, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia. Although none of these proposals has made it into law, several remain under active consideration.
No one can deny that the U.S. health care system needs reform. Too many Americans lack health insurance and/or are unable to afford the best care. More must be done to lower health care costs and increase access to care. Both patients and providers need better and more useful information. The system is riddled with waste, and quality of care is uneven. Government health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid threaten future generations with an enormous burden of debt and taxes. Given these pressures, the temptation for a quick fix is understandable.
But, as Massachusetts has shown us, mandating insurance, restricting individual choice, expanding subsidies, and increasing government control isn't going to solve those problems. A mandate imposes a substantial cost in terms of individual choice but is almost certainly unenforceable and will not achieve its goal of universal coverage. Subsidies may increase coverage, but will almost always cost more than projected and will impose substantial costs on taxpayers. Increased regulations will drive up costs and limit consumer choice.
The answer to controlling health care costs and increasing access to care lies with giving consumers more control over their health care spending while increasing competition in the health care marketplace — not in mandates, subsidies, and regulation. That is the lesson we should be drawing from the failure of RomneyCare.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
here are what healthy, well fed plants should look like at harvest. perhaps some yellowing in the fan leaves, but no neon yellow sugar leaf.

and really, that a plant should turn all yellow is a myth. some color change is OK, neon yellow sugar leaf is a failure.












Well, I apologize for thinking that was yours. I've seen enough of it, so I shoulda known better.

Do you switch to a bloom formula. Never mind. I can bloom a clone. I am working on health root balls, now. That 1st month, kicks my ass. I am done with hydro ponds.

You have a new greenhouse set up, already?
 

beenthere

New Member
thank you.

some of the leaves will inevitably droop as you well know, but the droopiness and yellowness of the leaves on beentheres plants, as well as their proximity to the bud, is highly concerning. if i see a droopy yellow leaf sticking out of an otherwise healthy bud, mold is the first thing that comes to mind. more specifically, nascent notritis within the bud, yet to manifest on the surface, but unsmokable nonetheless.



you really want further embarrassment?

i've seen his pics, and his are a great example of a nice, golden hue at harvest in the fan leaves while sugar leaves remain pert, and not droopy/neon, like yours.

i'll let abandon choose whether or not to humor you.
LOL I have the sneaking suspicion that if I agreed with you philosophically and politically your remarks would not be the same but if you want to continue taking jabs of a plant grown over 30yrs ago, have at it. There are so many inaccuracies to your quote above that I'll also chock that up to ignorance on your part.

It's quite a rarity for me to make fun of another growers gear, it's just not cool, unless of course he's a smart ass know it all and has it coming.

You only have what, 3-4yrs experience growing cannabis, with that said, I can tell you couple of things that I'm sure of.

Even though the learning curve these days is much steeper than back in my day when that picture was taken, you have very limited experience in the whole scheme of things.

Growing a stable indica dominate hybrid in soil and in a greenhouse at that, is about as easy as it gets. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with growing like that but to be honest it's a very simple way to grow.
Sure you can take nice little photos and impress other growers with limited experience themselves but it sure as hell doesn't warrant you being a cannabis critic, in fact, it exhibits your inexperience to be frank.

Like I've said before, a monkey can do what you do, lets to see you expand your skills and try more difficult to grow strains like haze varieties, Jack Herer or Lambs Bread to name a few.
Then start flappin your mouth.
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
i'll let abandon choose whether or not to humor you.
It's only fair that I post a pic after I talked all that shit. I don't like to, because I feel I'm risking by doing so in Mexico, but I don't think an old pic from when I grew in the US should get me in trouble here. I definitely would never break Mexican law.

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This is World of Seeds Afghan Kush that I ordered from the Tude and grew in 2011. This was one of my first indoor grows but the reason I chose it was because it is a soil grow and in this picture I had already been flushing and hadn't fed her (even molasses) for over a week. Notice the orange pistils. Notice the sugar leaves are alive (since they reach out for light) and even though that whole plant only yielded a bit over an ounce it was mold free and yummy. Different angles shot on the same day, two days before chop. There is some yellowing in the fan leaves but the sugar leaves are alive.
 

beenthere

New Member
I guess we see jealousy and grudge holding, only.

I would slap yo real momma, ha ha ha, for these results. Nothing personal.

Buck, those are horrible, I thought you were a better grower than that, ever heard of nitrogen?

Buck posted arm length colas, ABC calls that horrible.

Shame shame on you all.
Those are my plants that Buckie and AC give me grief about.
Didn't see that. Saw posted by Buck.
I realized that when you praised them.;)
I hope you are not saying that had I known they were yours, I too, would have taken a dump on them?

You don't know me at all, if that's the case. I move on and then move on from that.

IAC, there are other sections of forum to discuss cola wagging.


Well, I apologize for thinking that was yours. I've seen enough of it, so I shoulda known better.

Do you switch to a bloom formula. Never mind. I can bloom a clone. I am working on health root balls, now. That 1st month, kicks my ass. I am done with hydro ponds.

You have a new greenhouse set up, already?
I thought I was right about you my friend, you have zero credibility and your string of quotes displays that.

You praise the plant in the pic because you thought it was UncleBucks, then take a cheap shot at it when you find out it was a 30yr old plant of mine.
And that's after telling us you're not like that!
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
I thought I was right about you my friend, you have zero credibility and your string of quotes displays that.

You praise the plant in the pic because you thought it was UncleBucks, then take a cheap shot at it when you find out it was a 30yr old plant of mine.
And that's after telling us you're not like that!
He was quite clearly defending you despite the friction. He was being humble and self deprecating so his credibility is intact. That last comment that you qouted was directed at UB and in no way a cheap shot at you. Why the fuck am I defending Doer?
 
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