Ask yourself why you are not troubled by the failure of the Health Care rollout?

[schuylaar]

A 30% co-pay on those bills would be 300K for that family, maybe you can sustain that, but most can't. You'll have to do better to show how O'care prevents bankruptcies. There were safeguards in place to help those with disabled kids, but Obamacare did only a little more. Those facing huge medical bills pre-O'care are still facing those bills, they just might not be as much. A 5million dollar hospital bill would ruin me, but a 500K bill may as well be 500M as far as my bank account is concerned. If I were in the rich category, it would matter significantly though, so O'care does help one segment of the population in that regard. Was that the plan? protect rich people from paying too much?

We are absolutely a team creature, we are pack animals by nature, i get where you are coming from now, sorry for the misunderstanding. For socialism or communism to work, that pack nature would have to change into a hive/colony nature. Evolution may eventually bring humans to that end and we all work like good little worker bees for the hive, but we are no where close yet. Man, like any other animal, prospers most when acting in their own self-interest. You might find this sentiment appalling, but you can't prove it wrong.

one thing you are not taking into account GW is Total-Out-Of-Pocket..all policies cap so you know ahead of time what you total OOP is annually..i cannot spend more than $5k total OOP per year no matter what..my policy is 80/20 $1750 deductible with $5K total OOP..GOLD plan for $366/month..why? how do you think it looks against Blue Cross charging $800/month for the same?..competitive market now..that's how

 

[greenlikemoney]

the shutdown cost us $24B..seriously, it end up costing us $24B for that little soap box extravaganza. $24B

That "little soapbox extravaganza" was people trying to save this country from the biggest abomination EVER. Only "intentions-oriented" liberals who have no use for the real world "results/facts orientation" cannot see what a travesty this is. BTW, there is absolutely no possible way to determine the cost amount of the "shutdown". No possible way. If your figure comes from the CBO, maybe you need to reassess the CBO's figures. Just take a gander at their "Obamacare Enrollee" estimates.......um, yeah, we probably shouldn't listen to them anymore.....

 

[schuylaar]

And could have been avoided by delaying the individual mandate. Something that will most likely happen anyway as it's the right thing to do.

school calls..have to save this answer for later BBL 6PM EST (for my fans)

 

[ginwilly]

one thing you are not taking into account GW is Total-Out-Of-Pocket..all policies cap so you know ahead of time what you total OOP is annually..i cannot spend more than $5k total OOP per year no matter what..my policy is 80/20 $1750 deductible with $5K total OOP..GOLD plan for $366/month..why? how do you think it looks against Blue Cross charging $800/month for the same?..competitive market now..that's how

You mean the OOP cap that was delayed? Maybe some day that will help, I'll give you that one, but for now, you have to wait until the cap is actually allowed to make this claim.

 

[beenthere]

one thing you are not taking into account GW is Total-Out-Of-Pocket..all policies cap so you know ahead of time what you total OOP is annually..i cannot spend more than $5k total OOP per year no matter what..my policy is 80/20 $1750 deductible with $5K total OOP..GOLD plan for $366/month..why? how do you think it looks against Blue Cross charging $800/month for the same?..competitive market now..that's how

Last week your claim was that your gold plan was 100% subsidized, WTF happened, your policy went up 366% in a matter of days.

Check back with us at the end of the month, there's no telling what it will be then.

 

[canndo]

I'm not a Republican. If something is a bad law, you don't "pitch in" and meekly accept it. You ignore it or try to make it go away. This is a pot forum isn't it ? Hmmm.

All right, so California, the first to do so I believe, rather than chuck the entire anti-pot law, sought to amend it to include medical necessity, that was expaneded even further and now, at long last, other states took that attempt to rectify a wrong headed law, bit by bit went even further and declared recreational pot legal in small amounts. From there, we will see that law expaned and extended even further.

Some times, you "pitch in", I never said anything about "meekly accepting" anything.

 

[desert dude]

All right, so California, the first to do so I believe, rather than chuck the entire anti-pot law, sought to amend it to include medical necessity, that was expaneded even further and now, at long last, other states took that attempt to rectify a wrong headed law, bit by bit went even further and declared recreational pot legal in small amounts. From there, we will see that law expaned and extended even further.

Some times, you "pitch in", I never said anything about "meekly accepting" anything.

You are comparing prop 215 to ACA? I don't think you addressed Rob Roy's post at all. ACA was rammed down the throats of an American public that did not want it. It is a bad law that is going to cause bad consequences. It is the duty of citizens to resist such laws.

 

[Rob Roy]

All right, so California, the first to do so I believe, rather than chuck the entire anti-pot law, sought to amend it to include medical necessity, that was expaneded even further and now, at long last, other states took that attempt to rectify a wrong headed law, bit by bit went even further and declared recreational pot legal in small amounts. From there, we will see that law expaned and extended even further.

Some times, you "pitch in", I never said anything about "meekly accepting" anything.

No you never said anything about meekly accepting, BUT that's what you'd like/ expect people to do. Which other meaning could be inferred?

You still believe that one group of people should run other peoples lives, I don't. When somebody tries to run my life, I resist. Why don't you?

 

[beenthere]

All right, so California, the first to do so I believe, rather than chuck the entire anti-pot law, sought to amend it to include medical necessity, that was expaneded even further and now, at long last, other states took that attempt to rectify a wrong headed law, bit by bit went even further and declared recreational pot legal in small amounts. From there, we will see that law expaned and extended even further.

Some times, you "pitch in", I never said anything about "meekly accepting" anything.

Would that be like how the democrats pitched in to keep the Bush tax cuts?

 

[Doer]

Serious question, how much would your bill have to be before you declared bankruptcy? Would a 20k bill do it? 30k? 100k? Or are you in a position where you can handle up to a million? Now add up your deductible and copay on a huge hospital bill. Does this law prevent you from being bankrupt? A common theme among those declaring bankruptcy is they lost their jobs because of the health issue. Does this law prevent you from losing your job you can no longer perform because of your health issues?

I'll say it again. I really wish O'care did what you guys claim it does. Nobody would abuse the ER, everyone would have insurance, doctor's would stop chopping off limbs for money (really Obama?), and nobody would ever bankrupt due to medical costs.

When you get sick on the private insurance, they can and do cancel you due to previous govt interference lets them.

When the million runs out, you are on your own and must file for protection. Why? The hosiptal will sue you for the overage beyond One Million which is nothing. I blew past that years ago. But, Employer insurance is different.

If you are a small business, self employeed, etc, a car wreak, like over guard rail in the rain, (or what happened to me was hit by an uninsured motorist,) you can be bankrupt year one and still have a million of re-hab to get through.

 

[beenthere]

When you get sick on the private insurance, they can and do cancel you due to previous govt interference lets them.

How so Doer, how can you claim that previous government interference allows a private sector insurance company to cancel a plan when there was never any previous government regulation to stop them?

That's like saying, thanks to previous government interference, I'm allowed to set the price on all my jobs and turn down all the ones I don't want.

This goes back to the heart of my premise in another thread you said I was wrong about.

Prior to Obamacare, no private polices were canceled because of government making them.

When the million runs out, you are on your own and must file for protection. Why? The hosiptal will sue you for the overage beyond One Million which is nothing. I blew past that years ago. But, Employer insurance is different.

If you are a small business, self employeed, etc, a car wreak, like over guard rail in the rain, (or what happened to me was hit by an uninsured motorist,) you can be bankrupt year one and still have a million of re-hab to get through.

 

[heckler73]

No Man is an Island

I saw the people gather
I heard the music start
The song that they were singing
Is ringing in my fart

Fixed...
Like it wasn't obvious to anyone else, either. The verse is just screaming for that subtle change...

 

[Doer]

How so Doer, how can you claim that previous government interference allows a private sector insurance company to cancel a plan when there was never any previous government regulation to stop them?

That's like saying, thanks to previous government interference, I'm allowed to set the price on all my jobs and turn down all the ones I don't want.

This goes back to the heart of my premise in another thread you said I was wrong about.

Prior to Obamacare, no private polices were canceled because of government making them.

Another example of snot-child word play. If you really are an adult. What the hell happened to you?

 

[Rob Roy]

I feel the same way as you. I guess some are so unhappy with their lot in life they want to see others suffer. Instead of giving suggestions to improve whats going on, they simple add to the problems accomplishing nothing. What make other Great nations able to give her citizens healthcare whilst the USA can not. The Presidency of Obama has really showed me how fucked up some are in the USA.

How do you explain the use of a forced edict to participate or be punished? If a program is good for people, shouldn't THOSE people get to decide if they want to participate or not?

Why do you like programs that take away freedom?

 

[Rob Roy]

the shutdown cost us $24B..seriously, it end up costing us $24B for that little soap box extravaganza. $24B

Keeping government open costs alot more though doesn't it?

 

[Doer]

Keeping government open costs alot more though doesn't it?

And there was not $24B lost.

What a crock of shit. It cost more to close it, since they put close to a million people on paid vacation and stopped collecting money.

What cost us, was the underhanded reaction from the Exec. Evil. The shutdown was only a weird knee jerk.

 

[Rob Roy]

And there was not $24B lost.

What a crock of shit. It cost more to close it, since they put close to a million people on paid vacation and stopped collecting money.

What cost us, was the underhanded reaction from the Exec. Evil. The shutdown was only a weird knee jerk.

Collecting money? They do that? Damn!

 

[Red1966]

Really. I've asked some before. Why, instead of feeling badly that our attempt to offer everyone in the country reasonable assurances that they will get insurance, that they may not now lose their homes should a breadwinner get sick, that they might have assistance if their child gets cancer, that maybe the millions who have been set aside by big insurance might be helped, why are you all so joyous? Why are you giddy at the possibility that a program rolled out in order to help your fellow Americans might fail? Why, rather than perhaps suggesting tweaks or fixes or alterations do you persist in laughing? Do you hate this president so much that you would see your friends and neighbors suffer? When Katrina hit, people scoffed and were angry at Bush's failure to lead but Reublicans, Democrats, liberals and conservatives all went to help, they all sent clothing and money and food. They all shared in the pain of New Orleans. Not so this disaster, Republicans are not only sitting on their hands as people suffer, but they are doing everything in their power to make it even worse for the common man. What, exactly, does that say about Republicans? The battle is over, the law was passed and confirmed, it WILL be implemented and there is nothing to stop that, so why are Republicans not pitching in, bad law or not? What sort of hatred does that take?

Oh, Please. You self-righteous blowhard. Nothing is preventing you from giving to whatever charity you wish. Demanding that WE obey the dictates of YOUR conscience is the ultimate in arrogance.

 

[Red1966]

why do we have to keep telling you the same thing over and over..yes..policies are no longer "capped" at 1M..therefore you don't go bankrupt..

You still got to pay 20% (or more, depending on the plan). You got $200,000? I didn't think so. So, still bankruptcy.

 

[Red1966]

[/B] whoa!..that's what's in your head? team mentality? daaaaaaaaaayumn you people are some sick fuckers!..me, me, me..

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