Vacuum Purge times and temp for different wax consistency

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chef oli

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Hey guys. What times and temps do you use when vac purging? Any info helps. Thanks. Looking for times and temps on honeycomb and shatter.
 
BluJayz

BluJayz

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Usually takes 10-24 hours of purging on and off...

For me shatter is just another vac and a cable box dry away from wax. (Others should chime in with better methods)

Try to stay between 100F-120F and as I reeceently learned don't go further than 29.5hg
 
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BCOGYODA

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^^^What Blu said^^^

Shatter is around 90-100F before oil starts to wax but is fully purged.

Don't go by temps on your griddle only pay attention to the oil temp itself. I've had strains wax up from between 105F-120F

Once you're oil gets up to 130F or higher you run the risk of turning the oil into perma goo. Better to very slowly and carefully raise the oil temp till it waxes.

If you purge from the start with large muffins at full strength vacuum you can get the oil to purge and wax faster than if you slowly raise your vacuum strength along the way as it purges out the solvent/moisture. Some BHO makers don't like doing full muffins and do the slower gradual method that's why I'm mentioning it.
 
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chef oli

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thanks for the help guys. lets say im going to want a waxy consistency over a shatter. what is the step by step process after take it from the pyrex off the griddle into the vac chamber? sorry im new to vac purging, trying to get up to game on wax. so for example if i scrape onto parchment paper, do i want to put the vac chamber on the griddle and purge from there? any advice or tips is appreciated.
 
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BCOGYODA

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chef oli said:
thanks for the help guys. lets say im going to want a waxy consistency over a shatter. what is the step by step process after take it from the pyrex off the griddle into the vac chamber? sorry im new to vac purging, trying to get up to game on wax. so for example if i scrape onto parchment paper, do i want to put the vac chamber on the griddle and purge from there? any advice or tips is appreciated.
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This is the thread you want to check out for that info:
https://www.rollitup.org/concentrates-extracts/624465-bho-vacuum-oil-wax-tutorial.html

A lot of good reading and info throughout the whole thread.
 
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BCOGYODA

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SnapsProvolone said:
I was taught:

110 f= shatter
120 - 130 f = butter /wax / honeycomb
140 f and up = oil
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Not really. You gotta be REAL careful at those temps cause different strains respond differently.
I've waxed up a lot of runs now at only 107-110
And I've had perma goo form at only 128-130F
And not sure exactly what you mean by "oil" at 140 and up but at those temps I've got taffy cause I don't winterize so It's my understanding if you still have plant waxes/lipids in your "oil" it will never be liquid low viscosity oil without winterizing it to get the impurities completely out.

By reading through the thread I posted the link to you will see how these factors play out in different situations and with different strains.
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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BC tell me about it, i decided to just let loose and go hog wild and lower my temps from 105 to 98.6 on another batch of OG. I woke up this morning to glass glass glass where normaly i get sticky shatter n then usually proceed to fuck with it thinking it must be too moist.

I think at least in my book I have my answer, my vac pump is way too strong and lowering vac is = to raising temps that's why no temp is universally correct. In my case Im way off you guys, now i think to all those times i read things like take it up to 120 for wax and i tried and got Goo it's from my pressure turning 48c into 52c+.

Ugh now i wanna go back in time and rerun my bubba
 
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biglungs

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for me it depends on different strains i had some gdp turn to honeycomb sitting outside on the warm concrete also have some kush that make rock hard shatter while i leave my dessicator in boiling hot water
 
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BCOGYODA

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SaybianTv said:
BC tell me about it, i decided to just let loose and go hog wild and lower my temps from 105 to 98.6 on another batch of OG. I woke up this morning to glass glass glass where normaly i get sticky shatter n then usually proceed to fuck with it thinking it must be too moist.

I think at least in my book I have my answer, my vac pump is way too strong and lowering vac is = to raising temps that's why no temp is universally correct. In my case Im way off you guys, now i think to all those times i read things like take it up to 120 for wax and i tried and got Goo it's from my pressure turning 48c into 52c+.

Ugh now i wanna go back in time and rerun my bubba
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Ya man it's very strain dependent regarding wax times and even the ability of the oil to wax rather than budder, or shatter etc..The ratio of sativa vs indica I think has a very big play in it. The more indica dominant the more easily it'll wax I think.

And It's a tough call when getting strains from different sources too because it's hard to know exactly what these strains truly are unless we are the ones purchasing the seeds and growing them ourselves.

I'm growing OG from an original sourced cut off ChemDawg from Cali and I gotta say we've isolated more Sativa out of it over the years from hermi femanized seeds coming off of selected forced hermi females we felt showed much more sativa dominance. With that I am by far no breeding expert so who knows but I say that because with my OG I find it takes a much longer purge and higher temp than a lot of the other Kush's I've been running lately and a much more orange/amber oil. The more Indica dominant Kush's have been very easy to wax up.

I'm thinking if you are getting goo at a lower temp then you may be dealing with more Indica dominance and it shouldn't matter the strength of your vac pump because I purge at full vac with a powerful pump but I just pay close attention to the temps.
With a new strain you're playing with just say to yourself you will first try to get it to wax at 100F for say 12 hrs. If it doesn't raise the temp by the tiniest amount then run it for an hour more to see if it starts to was, if not raise again for another hour and so on and so on. If you go straight to 120 too quickly you might just go straight to goo. I've done it a couple times now.

If you want to be careful and not play with muffins from the start just put your air purged oil in the chamber and use a very mild vac purge pressure of around 10 hg or so for a few hours at like 90F...watch it careful though; it may purge over a dish if it's deep oil you are messin with. Just back off the pressure a bit..When that purges for awhile you can raise the hg to say 15hg and purge more. Then when you see the bubbles getting really small and slowing down raise your vac hg up to max and raise the temp very slowly to you notice a fogging up of the oil. That's when it will start to solidify. No need to turn the temp up any more from that point but that's when it's very important to point your temp gun at the oil surface to see where that "magic" temp is for that strain of oil you are running to wax up.
And I check my oil surface every hour or so when I see it wants to wax to make sure it never gets warmer. If it goes up even a degree or two. I open up the chamber and let it cool down.
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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I can't take all this wax talk somebody dab me a good piece of wax, in my case it really is the pump going maniacle. Unfortunately my vac oven speaks the queens english and I dunno what 1020-1035 mbar's is but that's where my pump takes my gauge when running continuously. I normally purge at 110, i'll tell you the truth I never get beyond pull and snap and i blamed my climate and silly things like that. Remember I live in a wacko world were I can't auto expect everything to work like butane so I assumed if I'm doing what people are doing and Im getting this it must be me. There's a reason why FD says 115 at 29.5, 29.9 makes ripping conditions for the oil equal to more heat. So i get what I get not having a vac pump regular that can tone my shit back, 115 is way to much and explains why any shatter I get auto butter's if you look at it sideways.

All i did was doo something you do from the start, 100f n went to bed. That's 12hr's n glass I got the way I sometimes do. Those were the times i never let the oven warm up n then just kept dicking with it so much it never got past 100f n at some point I fold that thin film glass one more time then go to bed. That's when i wake up to soft oil cuzz the oven has the chance to get up to temp without some asshole opening the door and taking dabs once an our. Not goo but sticky if your in a heated environment oil. 10f man, I know strains will do things but dam you awesome pump you make 44c feel like 55.

BC you gotta convert me man I wanna know what it's like to love on the dry crumble, I love all consistencies from a artistic point of view i just never been too deep a lover of the dry stuff people give me. I don't like big dabbers I just got that Ti stick with the flat tip. All the wax people have that spork looking thing or the spade.
Dude Im getting one of them Electric DabVenue's after my All my oil taste like shit meltdown last week, do you use quartz? It comes with a joel halen honey hole but honestly that could be the name of a band for all i know.
 
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BCOGYODA

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Hey Saybian I only dab with a friend with his rig. I don't dab at home. I just like mellow stone from pure indica's flowers for my own at home before bed. I got a family and kids etc..and super busy with the mj world. So when I dab with my friend he has the water bong with the titanium nail and cover glass attachment for it that we use but speaking of that I was recently reading up on smoking the dabs and have been hearing that burning this stuff at the higher temps my friend is using is not a good thing for the extract or our bodies so I am looking at getting a better system for dabbing I can bring to my friends place. I'm thinking of the fritted discs or concentrate bowls/glow wands..
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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BC that's crazy, your not the first guy that i've seen with fistfull's of oil that turned around and said he didn't dab alone. I've got a family too but no munchkins so in my world staying home and getting dabbed out is a family pleased. I rarely go outside socially and 99% of the time it's going to be work related so I have nobody that dabs to even share with. You can find someone here and there to take a dab but it's not there lifestyle choice. I hear you on hot temps, getting a carb cap was the only solution to finish a full flavor dab for me but it's only been a month and I've already ordered a temp temple enail for 100% steady low temps and full finishing dabs each time. A crap rig is like drinking fine whiskey out of a wax paper cup.
 
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