opiate withdrawl
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HeartlandHank
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RIU splits between "use modern medicine/doctor" and "cold turkey or nothing".
IMO, it is different for everyone...
If you can afford it... ship yourself to a relatives house in bum fuck nowhere... the kind of place you can't find a stamp on the corner... take no money with you and have a return flight ticket home no less than 20 days later...
That's how I did it... luckily, my cuz had a couple xanax that made night 2 and 3 MUCH more tolerable. Without that.. i'de be stuck in that hole still..
Best of luck.. been there... feel for you.. don't be afraid to go the way of suboxone if you must. If you ask me... being a sub patient is way better than being opiate dependent... any day of the week..
I won't lie... after acute.. shit is still pretty bad... give yourself about 5 weeks past acute to feel normal again if you are a regular dependent user. Maybe more..
Exercise! The key to overcoming post acute...
Melatonin, Valerian Root, Immodium, Tylenol PM, Magnesium, Potassium... helped me..
Take that immodium like clock work.. once you stop, things change, ime.
IMO, it is different for everyone...
If you can afford it... ship yourself to a relatives house in bum fuck nowhere... the kind of place you can't find a stamp on the corner... take no money with you and have a return flight ticket home no less than 20 days later...
That's how I did it... luckily, my cuz had a couple xanax that made night 2 and 3 MUCH more tolerable. Without that.. i'de be stuck in that hole still..
Best of luck.. been there... feel for you.. don't be afraid to go the way of suboxone if you must. If you ask me... being a sub patient is way better than being opiate dependent... any day of the week..
I won't lie... after acute.. shit is still pretty bad... give yourself about 5 weeks past acute to feel normal again if you are a regular dependent user. Maybe more..
Exercise! The key to overcoming post acute...
Melatonin, Valerian Root, Immodium, Tylenol PM, Magnesium, Potassium... helped me..
Take that immodium like clock work.. once you stop, things change, ime.
HeartlandHank
Well-Known Member
Different for everyone Sam... different for everyone. You can't compare YOUR experience to someone else's...
I think playing the "who was a bigger junky" game is the stupidest nonsense ever.. but.. we all have different situations..
I went cold turkey too... but it ain't for everyone..
I'm sorry but telling the OP to avoid doctors is pure nonsense. Without ESSENTIAL DETAILS from the OP (stuff much too personal and lengthy to discuss online), making generalizations like that are more than likely to lead to confusion and doubt as the OP (and others) struggle with "the big monkey."
I'm glad you got clean your way, and I'm not trying to hate... but you are YOU and the OP is a completely different person with a completely different set of challenges, skills, and his own unique physiology and life experience.
Addiction, like other mental illnesses, is pervasively misunderstood in this country... a common expression of this are friends/family/doctors/psychiatrists who might say "you are x/y/z and need/don't need x/y/z"... it's not that simple. Also there's 12-step programs... while capable of providing much help for certain people... a major flaw is that they still cling to '50s-era groupthink about what it means to be "clean" or "in recovery." 12-step-isms such as "clean time," and the emphasis on "cold turkey," "every drug is a bad drug" can bring more harm than good in many cases.
You are trying to replace harmful behaviors with positive ones. Give little credence to people/groups who preach methods and hardline definitions. You must be your own leader in this process and attempt to define progress only as it relates to your physical and mental improvement as you see it. Forgive yourself for setbacks (they are part of the process) and reward yourself for progress.
People have an unfortunate way of declaring victory before the war is over, usually because they base their progress on things like "days clean" "got a job" "got a hot bitch" "doing better than the other guy." This is a natural thing--- it's how we as a society have been groomed to think and feel.
Do not compare your progress to anyone else's... set SMALL goals that are realistic and accomplish them.
For instance, in regards to your original question OP, I, personally, would not recommend cannabis if you are in withdrawal... In my 10plus years of battling the disease of addiction, and in my daily work with others who do the same... I've found it's the rare exception that someone finds cannabis an effective tool to soothe the physical and mental anguish of opiate/opioid withdrawal. Most often I've seen it cause an increase in emotional symptoms like panic attacks, crying spells/mood swings. I would attribute this most to THC, NOT CBD, and it's action as a mild psychedelic. Then again, I am not someone who will say "don't under any circumstances..." because there indeed are people who find it effective. I know those who have found EDIBLE formulations of cannabis or high-CBD strains like Harlequin helpful in treating specific symptoms of withdrawal. These are people who have used them on a strictly as-needed basis in low to moderate doses to treat specific symptoms.
OP-- PM me and tell me how you're doing. I have worked with addicts of all ages, sizes, colors, and each person is different-- progress most often comes from a WIDE variety of therapies, usually a combination of closely monitored, highly regimented medication therapy, talk therapy, and holistic therapies like massage, exercise, meditation, prayer, acupuncture, etc. Again, you are a unique person, and will figure out what honestly helps, what doesn't, and what to avoid.
Congrats on coming this far-- you're experience can and will help others, including me.
I'm glad you got clean your way, and I'm not trying to hate... but you are YOU and the OP is a completely different person with a completely different set of challenges, skills, and his own unique physiology and life experience.
Addiction, like other mental illnesses, is pervasively misunderstood in this country... a common expression of this are friends/family/doctors/psychiatrists who might say "you are x/y/z and need/don't need x/y/z"... it's not that simple. Also there's 12-step programs... while capable of providing much help for certain people... a major flaw is that they still cling to '50s-era groupthink about what it means to be "clean" or "in recovery." 12-step-isms such as "clean time," and the emphasis on "cold turkey," "every drug is a bad drug" can bring more harm than good in many cases.
You are trying to replace harmful behaviors with positive ones. Give little credence to people/groups who preach methods and hardline definitions. You must be your own leader in this process and attempt to define progress only as it relates to your physical and mental improvement as you see it. Forgive yourself for setbacks (they are part of the process) and reward yourself for progress.
People have an unfortunate way of declaring victory before the war is over, usually because they base their progress on things like "days clean" "got a job" "got a hot bitch" "doing better than the other guy." This is a natural thing--- it's how we as a society have been groomed to think and feel.
Do not compare your progress to anyone else's... set SMALL goals that are realistic and accomplish them.
For instance, in regards to your original question OP, I, personally, would not recommend cannabis if you are in withdrawal... In my 10plus years of battling the disease of addiction, and in my daily work with others who do the same... I've found it's the rare exception that someone finds cannabis an effective tool to soothe the physical and mental anguish of opiate/opioid withdrawal. Most often I've seen it cause an increase in emotional symptoms like panic attacks, crying spells/mood swings. I would attribute this most to THC, NOT CBD, and it's action as a mild psychedelic. Then again, I am not someone who will say "don't under any circumstances..." because there indeed are people who find it effective. I know those who have found EDIBLE formulations of cannabis or high-CBD strains like Harlequin helpful in treating specific symptoms of withdrawal. These are people who have used them on a strictly as-needed basis in low to moderate doses to treat specific symptoms.
OP-- PM me and tell me how you're doing. I have worked with addicts of all ages, sizes, colors, and each person is different-- progress most often comes from a WIDE variety of therapies, usually a combination of closely monitored, highly regimented medication therapy, talk therapy, and holistic therapies like massage, exercise, meditation, prayer, acupuncture, etc. Again, you are a unique person, and will figure out what honestly helps, what doesn't, and what to avoid.
Congrats on coming this far-- you're experience can and will help others, including me.
banks dank
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Ok bro heres how someone I know personally did it...
First foremost call your dope man or your junkie buddies and find some suboxone. Junkies know where this shit is all the time...
Get exactly 2 pills no more no less...my buddy had the orange stop signs...immediately hand it over to your friend whos helping you quit.
Go to your local detox clinic. There free and provide a bed medical care and counseling. You will check yourself in and wait there for exactly 48 hours. Cold turkey. You will be contemplating suicide by this point trust me but its going to be okay...while your in detox look around and tell yourself this is the end to the nightmare and your better than all this shit...time to wake up and get your life back.
Its a bittersweet day...its always darkest before dawn remember that.
After 48 have your closest friend brother whatever come pick u up.
IMPORTANT if you used h and did not wait at least 24 hours and u take a suboxone it will send u into serious withdraw!
Depending on your habit take aprx 1-1/2of your suboxone...in about an hour u will feel shitty but much less shitty than before...basically its a 50 percent improvement in feeling after your first dose.
After your first dose of suboxone wait at least 24 hours that take another and take at least 10 percent less then before. Try and taper down 25 percent if u can. Tapering subs isnt hard thou its ez and this is way to get clean quick and no relapse.
Continue the cycle...after a couple days u wont feel any relief from the suboxone...you Will feel better but not normal... expect not to sleep much for about 3 weeks and do not take sleep meds. You need to learn to sleep on your own.
Good luck bro sheva is a bad bad thing but I guarantee you 100 percent u can fight it and win.
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First foremost call your dope man or your junkie buddies and find some suboxone. Junkies know where this shit is all the time...
Get exactly 2 pills no more no less...my buddy had the orange stop signs...immediately hand it over to your friend whos helping you quit.
Go to your local detox clinic. There free and provide a bed medical care and counseling. You will check yourself in and wait there for exactly 48 hours. Cold turkey. You will be contemplating suicide by this point trust me but its going to be okay...while your in detox look around and tell yourself this is the end to the nightmare and your better than all this shit...time to wake up and get your life back.
Its a bittersweet day...its always darkest before dawn remember that.
After 48 have your closest friend brother whatever come pick u up.
IMPORTANT if you used h and did not wait at least 24 hours and u take a suboxone it will send u into serious withdraw!
Depending on your habit take aprx 1-1/2of your suboxone...in about an hour u will feel shitty but much less shitty than before...basically its a 50 percent improvement in feeling after your first dose.
After your first dose of suboxone wait at least 24 hours that take another and take at least 10 percent less then before. Try and taper down 25 percent if u can. Tapering subs isnt hard thou its ez and this is way to get clean quick and no relapse.
Continue the cycle...after a couple days u wont feel any relief from the suboxone...you Will feel better but not normal... expect not to sleep much for about 3 weeks and do not take sleep meds. You need to learn to sleep on your own.
Good luck bro sheva is a bad bad thing but I guarantee you 100 percent u can fight it and win.
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Samwell Seed Well
Well-Known Member
if you read my words i never glorify amounts . . thats is something you learn in addcition therapy , a use is a use no matter the amount when your relapsing or abusing as a addict
its all using...and i have seen many kick most successfully done cold turkey
that is all
beuffer420
Well-Known Member
Whatever way you chose to stop, it depends on you. If your ready you'll stop I don't give a cats ass to how you stop I'm just glad you showed yourself how strong you really are. In the end your drug abuse put you through far worse than getting off it will be.