Celebrating Lincoln's address

[insid33]

Abraham Lincoln -First Republican President

Abraham Lincoln
Abraham Lincoln helped establish the Republican Party with a speech denouncing an 1854 law, written by a Democrat Senator, that allowed slavery to expand into the western territories.* Two years later, he co-founded the Illinois GOP.* Lincoln was runner-up for the 1856 Republican vice presidential nomination and then became a Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate.

More than two years before becoming the first Republican president, Lincoln spoke for the ages: “The Republican Party, on the contrary [to the Democrats], holds that this government was instituted to secure the blessings of freedom, and that slavery is an unqualified evil… [Republicans] will oppose in all its length and breadth the modern Democratic idea that slavery is as good as freedom.”

A fine man that some dare to compare themselves with.


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

 

[Winter Woman]

Then Obama decides he is going to change the address. Listen to it, do you hear something different or missing right around 1:34?

[video=youtube;Nm-vfxZyJwo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-vfxZyJwo[/video]

 

[beenthere]

How despicable to have a sitting president rape such a beautiful speech by a beautiful man.

I truly hope this video clip was edited, for America's sake.

 

[Wavels]

Abraham Lincoln -First Republican President

that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

Good stuff!!

And, of course, comparisons are odious.

Jay Carney can't explain Obama skipping Gettysburg Address memorial

http://washingtonexaminer.com/jay-carney-cant-explain-obama-skipping-gettysburg-address-memorial/article/2539353

 

[greenlikemoney]

Good stuff!!

And, of course, comparisons are odious.

Jay Carney can't explain Obama skipping Gettysburg Address memorial

http://washingtonexaminer.com/jay-carney-cant-explain-obama-skipping-gettysburg-address-memorial/article/2539353

You would think Barry would jump all over the chance to try to convince his major demographic that he ended slavery by giving a speech in Gettysburg in 2013. It's not like most of them know anything about it anyway.

 

[Wavels]

If I recall correctly, didn't the Big O liken himself to Lincoln in his first term.
Wowee.

At this juncture, I think all would agree that Lincoln could certainly build a better website.

 

[travisw]

Then Obama decides he is going to change the address. Listen to it, do you hear something different or missing right around 1:34?

[video=youtube;Nm-vfxZyJwo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-vfxZyJwo[/video]

I was under the impression he read the Nicolay copy which doesn't include the under God line.

 

[Wavels]

It is much worse than I thought, as I think this Stephens piece nails it.
Oh well.

Abraham Lincoln spoke greatly because he read wisely and thought deeply. He turned to Shakespeare, he once said, "perhaps as frequently as any unprofessional reader." "It matters not to me whether Shakespeare be well or ill acted," he added. "With him the thought suffices."
Maybe Mr. Obama has similar literary tastes. It doesn't show. "An economy built to last," the refrain from his 2012 State of the Union, borrows from an ad slogan once used to sell the Ford Edsel. "Nation-building at home," another favorite presidential trope, was born in a Tom Friedman column. "We are the ones we have been waiting for" is the title of a volume of essays by Alice Walker. "The audacity of hope" is adapted from a Jeremiah Wright sermon. "Yes We Can!" is the anthem from "Bob the Builder," a TV cartoon aimed at 3-year-olds.
There is a common view that good policy and good rhetoric have little intrinsic connection. Not so. President Obama's stupendously shallow rhetoric betrays a remarkably superficial mind. Superficial minds designed ObamaCare. Superficial minds are now astounded by its elementary failures, and will continue to be astounded by the failures to come.
Is there a remedy? Probably not. Then again, the president's no-show at Gettysburg suggests he might be trying to follow Old Abe's counsel in a fruitful way: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool," the Great Emancipator is reported to have said, "than to speak and to remove all doubt."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304439804579205801125914812?mod=trending_now_1

 

[beenthere]

I was under the impression he read the Nicolay copy which doesn't include the under God line.

I was under the impression Abraham Lincoln was the president that delivered the Gettysburg address and the word God was included.
Oddly enough, why would Obama choose to omit it?


The words "under God" do not appear in the Nicolay and Hay drafts but are included in the three later copies (Everett, Bancroft, and Bliss). Accordingly, some skeptics maintain that Lincoln did not utter the words "under God" at Gettysburg. However, at least three reporters telegraphed the text of Lincoln's speech on the day the Address was given with the words "under God" included. Historian William E. Barton argues that:[SUP] [/SUP]Every stenographic report, good, bad and indifferent, says 'that the nation shall, under God, have a new birth of freedom.' There was no common source from which all the reporters could have obtained those words but from Lincoln's own lips at the time of delivery.

 

[Winter Woman]

“The inclusion of God in the speech is perhaps the most significant difference among the versions,” the National Constitution Center says. “The fifth version of the speech, which was signed and dated by Lincoln, was considered the ‘final’ version and included ‘under God’ in its last sentence.”

I'd say a signed and dated copy is what was actually said at Gettysburg

 

[UncleBuck]

i bet this pack of righties all try to claim that they are non religious after getting all butthurt about this.

"no, i'm not religious. but those gays need to stop destroying marriage and your wife needs to get my approval before doing anything with that fetus of hers!"

 

[echelon1k1]

How despicable to have a sitting president rape such a beautiful speech by a beautiful man.

I truly hope this video clip was edited, for America's sake.

Do you forget how many lines he's pinched from JFK speeches? Let's see what the man has to say in 2 to 3 days... (depending on timezone)

 

[echelon1k1]

i bet this pack of righties all try to claim that they are non religious after getting all butthurt about this.

"no, i'm not religious. but those gays need to stop destroying marriage and your wife needs to get my approval before doing anything with that fetus of hers!"

you expect sirgreenthumb to apologise to you for not seeking your approval? GMAFB

 

[greenlikemoney]

LMFAO....leave it to Bucky to totally change the subject to shield his messiah from the glaring disapproval of Americans, of which his messiah is not one.

 

[travisw]

I was under the impression Abraham Lincoln was the president that delivered the Gettysburg address and the word God was included.
Oddly enough, why would Obama choose to omit it?


The words "under God" do not appear in the Nicolay and Hay drafts but are included in the three later copies (Everett, Bancroft, and Bliss). Accordingly, some skeptics maintain that Lincoln did not utter the words "under God" at Gettysburg. However, at least three reporters telegraphed the text of Lincoln's speech on the day the Address was given with the words "under God" included. Historian William E. Barton argues that:Every stenographic report, good, bad and indifferent, says 'that the nation shall, under God, have a new birth of freedom.' There was no common source from which all the reporters could have obtained those words but from Lincoln's own lips at the time of delivery.

"Turns out, documentary filmmaker Ken Burns, of PBS fame, had leaders and celebrities of all stripes read the speech. And the filmmakers even shot slightly different versions of the Gettysburg Address to reflect the subtle differences in various drafts by President Lincoln. And the draft that Burns’ production team gave the White House for Obama to read did not contain the words, “under God.”"

​http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/11/president_obama_omits_under_go.html

 

[beenthere]

"Turns out, documentary filmmaker Ken Burns, of PBS fame, had leaders and celebrities of all stripes read the speech. And the filmmakers even shot slightly different versions of the Gettysburg Address to reflect the subtle differences in various drafts by President Lincoln. And the draft that Burns’ production team gave the White House for Obama to read did not contain the words, “under God.”"

​http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/11/president_obama_omits_under_go.html

A standing president commemorating the Gettysburg Address is not a movie.
The final graft that President Lincoln used in his speech indeed had "under God"

 

[Winter Woman]

i bet this pack of righties all try to claim that they are non religious after getting all butthurt about this.

"no, i'm not religious. but those gays need to stop destroying marriage and your wife needs to get my approval before doing anything with that fetus of hers!"

I think Buck needs to step back from the Sativa.

 

[travisw]

A standing president commemorating the Gettysburg Address is not a movie.
The final graft that President Lincoln used in his speech indeed had "under God"

I never disputed what the final version said. I provided the reason under God was left out of the version posted. Clearly for someone who says completely insane things like Obama raped a beautiful speech by a beautiful man, nothing would be good enough for you.

 

[Winter Woman]

He knew what he was saying and not saying. No excuse.

 

[travisw]

He knew what he was saying and not saying. No excuse.

The first 2 versions of that speech written in Lincoln's own hand, according to your source, don't have that line. If you are mad at anyone, it should be Lincoln or Ken Burns.