Who's To Blame?

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beenthere

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feasy said:
First if you have firearms in your home they should be secured. It is almost impossible to buy a gun in America that does not come with a lock.

If you have a child with mental health issues they should not have access to your firearms.
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He didn't stab his father with a gun.

OOPS!

SO LETS BAN ALL KNIVES.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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I think there are studies out there that hammers kill alot of people.

Damn Mr. Customer, I think I'll just duct tape your roofing shingles down...gotta protect the children y'know!
 
feasy

feasy

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beenthere said:
He didn't stab his father with a gun.

OOPS!

SO LETS BAN ALL KNIVES.
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I know you can read so slow down and do a little more comprehension the initial question is "what is to blame the guns that are readily available or our failing health care system?" I think the person stabbed is currently still alive and not the topic of this thread. Also I didn't call for the banning of guns so how did you extrapolate that to the banning of knives? I said lock the guns and if you have a mentally ill son depending on how bad locking up the knives might be a good idea too it seems
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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feasy said:
I know you can read so slow down and do a little more comprehension the initial question is "what is to blame the guns that are readily available or our failing health care system?" I think the person stabbed is currently still alive and not the topic of this thread. Also I didn't call for the banning of guns so how did you extrapolate that to the banning of knives? I said lock the guns and if you have a mentally ill son depending on how bad locking up the knives might be a good idea too it seems
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Well, you nailed that. Hey watch where you're swinging that hammer!!
 
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NoDrama

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feasy said:
First if you have firearms in your home they should be secured. It is almost impossible to buy a gun in America that does not come with a lock.

If you have a child with mental health issues they should not have access to your firearms.
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Awesome advice, too bad the person with the gun was an adult and there is ZERO evidence to suggest the gun belonged to Senator Deeds. Basically your advice would have done NOTHING to alleviate this problem.

But blame the gun and owner, not the lunatic.
 
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NoDrama

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schuylaar said:
the guns that are readily available or our failing health care system?

Police: Son likely stabbed Va. state Sen. Creigh Deeds, shot himself

The day before he apparently stabbed his father at the family’s home in rural Bath County, the son of Virginia state Sen. R. Creigh Deeds underwent a psychiatric evaluation but was not admitted to a hospital, because no bed was available. Deeds was listed in fair condition late Tuesday after his son, Austin, stabbed him in the face and chest, then shot himself in what investigators suspect was an attempted murder and suicide.

The incident thrust the senator back into the spotlight after several years of quiet. Deeds (D) vaulted to the statewide political stage in 2009 as the Democratic nominee for governor, only to lose to Republican Robert F. McDonnell (R). After the defeat, Deeds went through a divorce and largely receded from public view, even though he stayed on in the Senate.

The violence also culminated what appears to have been a downward spiral for Deeds’s son, Austin, 24, a banjo-playing former campaign volunteer for his father who dropped out of college last month and whose apparent psychiatric problems had prompted an examination Monday.
The attack on the senator brought new scrutiny to Virginia’s mental-health system. Six years after the Virginia Tech massacre, which prompted an outpouring of attention and dollars for state mental-health care, advocates still say the system is starved for money and reform. Lawmakers, state officials and mental-health advocates expressed agreement Tuesday that a shortage of beds for patients in crisis is one significant problem.
On Monday, a magistrate issued an emergency custody order for Austin Deeds, who was also known as Gus, after he had been evaluated by officials at the Rockbridge County Community Services Board, said Mary Ann Bergeron, the executive director of the Virginia Association of Community Services Boards. The boards oversee the local provision of mental-health services across Virginia.

Dennis Cropper, who leads the Rockbridge County Community Services Board, also confirmed the younger Deeds’s psychiatric evaluation, according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

Rockbridge officials had called hospitals in the area looking for a spot but were unable to find one, Bergeron said. “I can tell you right now, it was multiple hospitals that they called,” she said. “That is a very rural area. The hospitals are few and far between.”
Bergeron said local hospitals have been reducing and in some cases eliminating psychiatric wards, making it more difficult to find spots for people requiring involuntary detention, particularly in more rural parts of the state.
“I wouldn’t say this happens every day, but it’s more common than we’d like for it to be,” Bergeron said.
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Neither the gun nor the healthcare system is to blame, The blame all lies on the person who blew his brains out.

Perhaps we should enact a new law which states that anyone with mental health problems can be detained indefinitely against their will for as long as wished?
 
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schuylaar

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NoDrama said:
Neither the gun nor the healthcare system is to blame, The blame all lies on the person who blew his brains out.

Perhaps we should enact a new law which states that anyone with mental health problems can be detained indefinitely against their will for as long as wished?
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yes..let them eat cake..if they didn't have a bed for a 4-hour detainment..see where i'm going with this?..reduncelican:dunce:?
 
see4

see4

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NoDrama said:
Neither the gun nor the healthcare system is to blame, The blame all lies on the person who blew his brains out.

Perhaps we should enact a new law which states that anyone with mental health problems can be detained indefinitely against their will for as long as wished?
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Again, let's be honest here NoDrama, when you say anyone with mental health problems, you really mean black people and Arabs.

Man, you hold in a lot of hatred. You need to let it go.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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When Reagan was governor of California he began closing mental health hospitals , later as president he cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. In 1980, congress proposed new legislation (PL 96-398 ) called the community mental health systems act (crafted by Ted Kennedy), but the program was killed by newly-elected President Ronald Reagan. This action ended the federal community mental health centers.
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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londonfog said:
When Reagan was governor of California he systematically began closing mental health hospitals , later as president he cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. In 1980, congress proposed new legislation (PL 96-398 ) called the community mental health systems act (crafted by Ted Kennedy), but the program was killed by newly-elected President Ronald Reagan. This action ended the federal community mental health centers.
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I know how much you guys love Ted, but you never let him forget about Chappaquiddick
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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londonfog said:
can you stay on topic about anything...If you want to speak on Ted start a thread on him...or are you capable of starting your own thread
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Did you not just mention him? And don't get your panties in a bunch your threads got deleted because they were shit.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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echelon1k1 said:
Did you not just mention him? And don't get your panties in a bunch your threads got deleted because they were shit.
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Actually I mentioned Ted in reference to a bill that was about mental health..very much on topic. You my friend seem incapable of debate, so you say things that bring NOTHING to the conversation. Come on try. Who's to blame for the lack of mental hospitals ???? Where you even born when Reagan was around ???
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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londonfog said:
Actually I mentioned Ted in reference to a bill that was about mental health..very much on topic. You my friend seem incapable of debate, so you say things that bring NOTHING to the conversation. Come on try. Who's to blame for the lack of mental hospitals ???? Where you even born when Reagan was around ???
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Ted had great ideas that were crucified because of the Chappaquiddick incident. I thinks it's very relevant but if you can't read between the lines....

You don't even have a healthcare system that works - and you want to talk about blame for the lack of mental hospitals?

I get a feeling you start many jobs without finishing any...
 
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beenthere

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londonfog said:
When Reagan was governor of California he began closing mental health hospitals , later as president he cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. In 1980, congress proposed new legislation (PL 96-398 ) called the community mental health systems act (crafted by Ted Kennedy), but the program was killed by newly-elected President Ronald Reagan. This action ended the federal community mental health centers.
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Mental health and developmental professionals wanted the State of California out of the buisness of caring for the mentally ill. So acting on their recommendations, the state of California's government (state legislature) gave it to them.

Did you forget that the California legislature was comprised of a majority of democrats and the governor (Ronald Reagan) like any other governor just signs the bills?

You can't believe everything you read from Salon . com

 
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