King Georges solution to the tax problem!

[BrewsNBuds]

Wouldn't it be better to charge people when they engage in consensual interactions. Taxing them in the beginning or the end doesn't address that all taxation relies upon threats. The free market has demonstrated that people can and do purchase things on a consensual basis every day and threats are not included.

That's essentially what I'm advocating. I think if people knew the government was getting out of the business of siphoning cash out of our weekly pay, they wouldn't mind paying a 10 or 12% sales tax. It fixes the problem of the underground cash economy in that the cash will eventually be spent at a merchant and taxed. All that Obama money flying around would be taxed.

We are of course here in the first place because of the force of government. Our money is our private property, it represents the fruits of our hard work. If people see a way to keep the government from taking their property, they'll seize that opportunity every time.

 

[NoDrama]

Pay your taxes and take pride in the schools and roads they pay for

Income taxes don't pay for Schools or roads in the USA.

 

[Nevaeh420]

Nev: Yes. It's easy. Tax people when they spend money, not when they earn it.

Tax John Kerry and Mitt Romney when they buy a yacht, don't tax middle class workers' ever-shrinking paychecks.

According to your logic, if a person was making $1 billion dollars a year and only spent $100k on bills and toys, then he would only need to pay about $10k worth of taxes even though he made a billion dollars? I think this is a logical fallacy because you can't make the billionaire spend any more money then he needs to. And the poorer people that make just enough to get by will be paying taxes on all that they buy according to your logic. This is not fair at all.

I don't like taxes any more then the next person but there has to be a better way to pay for infrastructure then the current system of taxation. The Rothchilds allegedly own $500 TRILLION dollars... allegedly HALF of the worlds wealth. I say we take his money and make it last a couple hundred years until we figure out a better way to tax the populace.

The politics section of RIU should focus on taking the Rothchilds money and splitting it up for a few hundred years until there are better ways to govern and tax. I say we put the Rothchilds in PRISON for life too for their crimes against humanity.

Income taxes don't pay for Schools or roads in the USA.

I think he said he was British. Yeah mate, a Brit. Hence the name, "North of England".

~PEACE~

 

[Nevaeh420]

I also think there should be a "Free Pass" for everyone alive.

Let Me explain what a Free Pass is... A Free Pass is a card that has $2,000 dollars on it every month. $500 can only be spent on food, including restaurants. The rest of the $1,500 can be spent on anything, you can withdraw cash from your Free Pass and buy anything you want like paying rent, bills, toys, etc. This way everyone over the age of 18 will be able to afford an apartment or house and pay their bills too, and of course eat.

This money could come from the Rothchilds at first. $500 TRILLION dollars could go a long way, and for many years.

This would utterly stimulate the economy and there would be jobs for everyone and hence, more tax revenue. The extra tax that the Free Pass would incur would go towards getting the poor people jobs and thus the cycle would go. Help the poor people get more jobs, collect more taxes to help the other poor people.

I came up with the notion of a Free Pass for everyone. The Rothschilds would pay for it at first until it was self sustaining. Everyone would be spending their money on their Free Pass and more products would be sold, thusly stimulating the economy and creating more jobs for everyone.

As long as the government could afford the bill of the Free Pass, then why not?

The 2,000 dollar amount is just an arbitrary number, the actual number would be figured out by you, the online government. I think this is a wonderful idea, everyone would benefit from it.

A Free Pass for everyone!

Who says there are no free passes in life?

~PEACE~

 

[BrewsNBuds]

According to your logic, if a person was making $1 billion dollars a year and only spent $100k on bills and toys, then he would only need to pay about $10k worth of taxes even though he made a billion dollars? I think this is a logical fallacy because you can't make the billionaire spend any more money then he needs to.

The thing is, the billionaire didn't become a billionaire by sitting in his house on his ass. Billionaires usually want to put their money to work. So they'll invest it so they can grow it. It would get more of the money MOVING AROUND SO IT COULD BE TAXED. If somebody stands to lose more by making a deal than by doing nothing, they'll do nothing. That's what's happening now.

And this doesn't apply to just billionaires. It applies to all segments of society who, for one reason or another, decided to hold on to their cash until our economic situation becomes more stable.

 

[NLXSK1]

So, your idea is to loot the billionaires and just live off their money?

And you somehow consider someone making more money than they spend unfair?

Weird in a very scary way...

 

[BrewsNBuds]

And you somehow consider someone making more money than they spend unfair?

I never thought about it that way. I do hear people attacking others on here for making $1 over their cost of meds grown. Same thing if you ask me.

HE"S MAKING PROFITS! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

 

[see4]

Income taxes don't pay for Schools or roads in the USA.

Just so we are on the same page. General fund comes from property and income taxes. Yes? And therefore, in part, roads are paid for by income taxes.

"State gas taxes are often not “extra” fees – Most states exempt gasoline from the state sales tax, diverting much of the money that would have gone into a state’s general fund to roads." - cited from a .gov site.

 

[see4]

I also think there should be a "Free Pass" for everyone alive.

Let Me explain what a Free Pass is... A Free Pass is a card that has $2,000 dollars on it every month. $500 can only be spent on food, including restaurants. The rest of the $1,500 can be spent on anything, you can withdraw cash from your Free Pass and buy anything you want like paying rent, bills, toys, etc. This way everyone over the age of 18 will be able to afford an apartment or house and pay their bills too, and of course eat.

This money could come from the Rothchilds at first. $500 TRILLION dollars could go a long way, and for many years.

This would utterly stimulate the economy and there would be jobs for everyone and hence, more tax revenue. The extra tax that the Free Pass would incur would go towards getting the poor people jobs and thus the cycle would go. Help the poor people get more jobs, collect more taxes to help the other poor people.

I came up with the notion of a Free Pass for everyone. The Rothschilds would pay for it at first until it was self sustaining. Everyone would be spending their money on their Free Pass and more products would be sold, thusly stimulating the economy and creating more jobs for everyone.

As long as the government could afford the bill of the Free Pass, then why not?

The 2,000 dollar amount is just an arbitrary number, the actual number would be figured out by you, the online government. I think this is a wonderful idea, everyone would benefit from it.

A Free Pass for everyone!

Who says there are no free passes in life?

~PEACE~

You must be really high. I would like whatever it is that you are smoking.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I also think there should be a "Free Pass" for everyone alive.

Let Me explain what a Free Pass is... A Free Pass is a card that has $2,000 dollars on it every month. $500 can only be spent on food, including restaurants. The rest of the $1,500 can be spent on anything, you can withdraw cash from your Free Pass and buy anything you want like paying rent, bills, toys, etc. This way everyone over the age of 18 will be able to afford an apartment or house and pay their bills too, and of course eat.

This money could come from the Rothchilds at first. $500 TRILLION dollars could go a long way, and for many years.

This would utterly stimulate the economy and there would be jobs for everyone and hence, more tax revenue. The extra tax that the Free Pass would incur would go towards getting the poor people jobs and thus the cycle would go. Help the poor people get more jobs, collect more taxes to help the other poor people.

I came up with the notion of a Free Pass for everyone. The Rothschilds would pay for it at first until it was self sustaining. Everyone would be spending their money on their Free Pass and more products would be sold, thusly stimulating the economy and creating more jobs for everyone.

As long as the government could afford the bill of the Free Pass, then why not?

The 2,000 dollar amount is just an arbitrary number, the actual number would be figured out by you, the online government. I think this is a wonderful idea, everyone would benefit from it.

A Free Pass for everyone!

Who says there are no free passes in life?

~PEACE~

imaginary rules for an imaginary governing body with imaginary powers and an imaginary electorate.

so you propose everybody vote themselves the power to pick another man's pocket based solely on your hatred of the rothschild (Das Juden!!) banking cartel which will of course not turn into a feeding frenzy...

when you can give yourself the right to rob another simply because he has more than you, you eliminate all social order, and when your "Internet Democracy" rabble comes to my house they will be met with aimed fire from highly accurate hillbilly marksmen, until they break and run to find a softer target.

yours is the most despicable form of Marxism, the Dictatorship of the Lumpen Proletariat.

 

[Nevaeh420]

The thing is, the billionaire didn't become a billionaire by sitting in his house on his ass. Billionaires usually want to put their money to work. So they'll invest it so they can grow it. It would get more of the money MOVING AROUND SO IT COULD BE TAXED. If somebody stands to lose more by making a deal than by doing nothing, they'll do nothing. That's what's happening now.

And this doesn't apply to just billionaires. It applies to all segments of society who, for one reason or another, decided to hold on to their cash until our economic situation becomes more stable.

Say there is a billionaire and a person that makes $100k per year.

If there was only sales tax, say 10%, then the only governmental income would only come from when a purchase is made.

Like I said, the billionaire spends $100k for his expenses and also the poorer person that only makes $100k per year spends all his money to pay the bills and nets nothing. Both of them would be paying the exact $10k in taxes. Is that fair at all? I think not.

I'm not saying taxes NEED to be implemented the way I'm saying but I think its a good start. Like I have said verbosely in this thread, I believe the online government should pass all the laws of the land, including the tax laws. The online government would be you, the people over 18 years old, the voters. The online government would have a much better solution then just Me because it would be a collaborative effort on a world wide scale.

So, your idea is to loot the billionaires and just live off their money?

And you somehow consider someone making more money than they spend unfair?

Weird in a very scary way...

No, I don't think we should live off just the billionaires money but that's where a portion of the tax income would come from. I propose we tax anyone that makes over $100k but on a sliding scale rule.

But I honestly do believe we should "plunder" the Rothschilds $500 TRILLION dollars and put him in prison for life for crimes against humanity. He allegedly owns roughly half of the worlds money/resources. Go watch the movie called "The Money Masters" on youtube and tell Me if you still think I'm unfair.

I don't "consider someone making more money than they spend unfair" at all. Not Me. People should spend as much or as little as they want to. But if My tax proposal was passes, taxes would start to get taken out of peoples income when they make over $100k but it would be a sliding scale where if you make more money, you pay more in taxes. Some poor people cannot afford to pay taxes, the rich people can afford to pay more taxes because they are already rich.

You must be really high. I would like whatever it is that you are smoking.

I haven't been a stoner in about a year or so.

But I'm glad you liked that comment I made about the Free Pass.

imaginary rules for an imaginary governing body with imaginary powers and an imaginary electorate.

so you propose everybody vote themselves the power to pick another man's pocket based solely on your hatred of the rothschild (Das Juden!!) banking cartel which will of course not turn into a feeding frenzy...

when you can give yourself the right to rob another simply because he has more than you, you eliminate all social order, and when your "Internet Democracy" rabble comes to my house they will be met with aimed fire from highly accurate hillbilly marksmen, until they break and run to find a softer target.

yours is the most despicable form of Marxism, the Dictatorship of the Lumpen Proletariat.

You are right, the online government is imaginary right now but one day it should be a reality.

I don't advocate anyone voting themselves the power to steal anything from anyone. But I do believe the Rothschilds should pay for all of their atrocities and crimes on humanity. I don't hate anyone but I loath the fact that the Rothschilds allegedly own half of the worlds wealth. I think the Rothschilds should go to prison for life and their money should be slowly divided into the worlds economy for the benefit for all. What could the world buy with $500 TRILLION dollars? How long would that money last us for?

My "internet democracy rabble" with never come to your house or any ones. The police would still operate in a lot of the same way it does now except people won't get in trouble for drugs and whatnot. There will be no more war because every country would be a part of the online government and the main goal will be peace and prosperity.

I think the online government notion is the apex, the pinnacle of what a republic stands for. EVERYONE will be able to vote on any issue. We won't need to elect any politicians to vote for us, we will vote for ourselves. But there still will be public speakers and maybe you can elect who you want to speak for you, but thats all they are going to do, speak. The public speakers will not have any more voting power then any other anonymous voter. So no, My online government is not Marxism at all, its the pinnacle of what a republic should be like.

~PEACE~

 

[NoDrama]

I think he said he was British. Yeah mate, a Brit. Hence the name, "North of England".

~PEACE~

So you are saying he didn't realize he was talking to an American? Because he sure as fuck wasn't talking to himself you know?

 

[NLXSK1]

@Nevah420...

I think you should make 42,000 dollars. No more, no less for your life. You should be happy with that amount because I say so and there are people who earn less so suck it up and deal with it...

So says King NSLX...

 

[NoDrama]

Just so we are on the same page. General fund comes from property and income taxes. Yes? And therefore, in part, roads are paid for by income taxes.

"State gas taxes are often not “extra” fees – Most states exempt gasoline from the state sales tax, diverting much of the money that would have gone into a state’s general fund to roads." - cited from a .gov site.

The federal government does not get funding from property taxes, where did you ever learn that, its just flat out WRONG!

 

[NoDrama]

I think the online government notion is the apex, the pinnacle of what a republic stands for. EVERYONE will be able to vote on any issue. We won't need to elect any politicians to vote for us, we will vote for ourselves. But there still will be public speakers and maybe you can elect who you want to speak for you, but thats all they are going to do, speak. The public speakers will not have any more voting power then any other anonymous voter. So no, My online government is not Marxism at all, its the pinnacle of what a republic should be like.

~PEACE~

Someone already thought of this idea and made a movie about what it would look like in the future.

[video=youtube;BBvIweCIgwk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk[/video]

Your Idea is not a republic. Letting all the sheep, err I mean easily led astray voters, vote on everything is known as a democracy and democracy is 100% always a FAILURE!!

 

[see4]

The federal government does not get funding from property taxes, where did you ever learn that, its just flat out WRONG!

This is not a federal government debate dumb dumb. Read the post I was commenting to.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I think the online government notion is the apex, the pinnacle of what a republic stands for. EVERYONE will be able to vote on any issue. We won't need to elect any politicians to vote for us, we will vote for ourselves. But there still will be public speakers and maybe you can elect who you want to speak for you, but thats all they are going to do, speak. The public speakers will not have any more voting power then any other anonymous voter. So no, My online government is not Marxism at all, its the pinnacle of what a republic should be like.

~PEACE~

you do not know what a Republic is or why it is preferable to "Direct Democracy" which is what you are selling.

"Direct Democracy" is the dictatorship of the lumpen proletariat.
the rabble are not wise, they are not forward thinking, they make no plans, and hold no philosophy sacred. the rabble is the untamed mob. what they want, they TAKE by force.

no government is perfect, but mob rule and anarchy are NO GOVERNMENT and thats the most oppressive form there ever was.

 

[NoDrama]

This is not a federal government debate dumb dumb. Read the post I was commenting to.

So I take you you think King George was a STATE governor or something then?
Oh to be as utterly stupid as you are.

 

[see4]

So I take you you think King George was a STATE governor or something then?
Oh to be as utterly stupid as you are.

And just so we are clear. You stated income taxes do not go to schools or highways.

2004, 3.3% of the federal budget went to education.
2010, 2.8% of the federal budget went to education.

2004, 24.6% went to military spending.
2010, 26.1% went to military spending.

And since we are on this subject, since you brought it up. Roads generally are funded by the state. Funding comes from state income tax.

You were wrong. End of story. Goodnight farmer no.

 

[NoDrama]

And just so we are clear. You stated income taxes do not go to schools or highways.

2004, 3.3% of the federal budget went to education.
2010, 2.8% of the federal budget went to education.

2004, 24.6% went to military spending.
2010, 26.1% went to military spending.

And since we are on this subject, since you brought it up. Roads generally are funded by the state. Funding comes from state income tax.

You were wrong. End of story. Goodnight farmer no.

LOL you have made the claim, now put up or shut up. Show some evidence, or none if you know you will lose the debate.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~ipro/Papers 2006/roadfunding012307.pdf

On average, states raise 38% of their road

funds from fuel taxes and 22% from vehicle
registration fees. Bonds make up 18% and the re
maining 22% comes from other taxes and tolls.

I bet you didn't know that the General fund of most states gets Federal aid for the roads? Did you know that? Of course not, otherwise you would not be on this failfest of yours.