Georges theory on how to move solar systems!

Nevaeh420

Nevaeh420

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Doer said:
Very reasonable. I am much older and in the business, an actual scientist in the computer world, etc. No problems. We learn as we go.

These are great ideas. But, you don't need lasers just the mirrors in various orbits. Convex mirrors can concentrate sunlight and beam it around the system. Light sails don't need laser, they need a big wide heavy push. So, propulsion beaming is what you are really describing. And we are working on it.

We don't need new planets. We don't need to drag gravity sources together and get unpredictable 3 body orbit results.

We can terraform Mars. Read Red Mars. 3 books. Ends with Green Mars.

Keep thinking and I am glad you came back for more. Keep thinking.
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I'm glad I'm talking to a REAL SCIENTIST because there are many scientist posers on here. You seem like a real astute gentleman Doer, smarter then Me. I just consider Myself a Prophet, but that's besides the point.

So what you're saying is that convex mirrors CAN beam concentrated light to do different tasks, like work. But its a little different then a laser... As long as it can work, that's all I care about.

Whats a "3 body orbit"?

I totally agree that we can terraform Mars, I have believed it for a long time too. I don't know all the details to terraforming but I bet it would be described in detail if I read your book you're citing. Maybe I'll read the book, maybe I won't.

I like you Doer, you seem like a scholar and a gentleman. Its a blessing to talk to so many smart people that know their stuff. I don't know My stuff, I just know some stuff... lol.

Pafjula said:

  • Um, I cite your total lack of any actual physics.




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Maybe Doer would be willing to cite any physics that are pertinent to the subject.

I don't have the internet at My house right now, I'm in the community, at a club house.

Doer said:
Well, I sight a pretty content free reply. :)

If you are saying there is no physics behind terrraforming Mars, that is not even close to true.

So, still waiting for your content.
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I would love to see a terraformed Mars, its the next step, IMO.

Pepe le skunk said:
George,
The funny thing is you don't have to do anything and the stars will move. So do solar systems. They rotate around on an orbital plane and actually wobble. It takes 250,000,000 years to go once around to get back to the same area for the milkyway galaxy.. Milkyway also wobbles every 65 million years from top to bottom in the galactic plane.

If you really think you are christ then I recommend you don't tell anyone. Didn't work out well for the last guy claiming to be him. Seriously you need to watch a movie called Zietguist. You can learn how you were indoctornated into your religion. The first 20 minutes should do. Also watch the history channel and science channel for a year. It might open your eyes. There is zero evidence that heaven or hell, god or the devil exist. Everything you have been taught concerning religion has been used to control people for centuries. Anything written in the bible has been rewritten many times by humans and mistranslatted many times. A good series to watch is the new one on the bible on History Channel.

Good luck to you George.
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I know stars move around the galaxy. When did I say otherwise? But I forget the figures that you mentioned and I undoubtedly will forget them again.

I really do think I'm Christ and I don't tell people about it in person, just online here.

I watched the movie Zeitgeist in 2008 for the first time. I WAS a Christian and then I became an Agnostic, and I have pretty much been an Agnostic ever since. I was a Christian that never read the Bible or payed any attention to the dogma.

I don't have a religion, I have My own spirituality and it suits Me just fine.

I don't believe in hell or the devil. I believe there might be a God and there might be a heaven. But I agree with you, there is no evidence for it, that's why I'm Agnostic.

I also agree that religion has been used to control the masses, that's a fact.

And I want to watch that new series on History channel about the Bible. I was going to watch it a few days ago but I got too tired.

Feel free to check out My links in My signature if you want to see what I believe and why I believe it.

Doer said:
That seems to be stuff they were discussing in another forum. He has not said that here.
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This thread originally came from the Spirituality, Sexuality and Philosophy section, it was transferred here because a moderator thought it was more of a scientific thread.

Doer, I do believe I'm Christ and I have made that very clear in the Spirituality, Sexuality and Philosophy section of RIU. I'm not trying to talk about it on here in the science and technology section though.

~PEACE~
 
Doer

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Nevaeh420 said:
Whats a "3 body orbit"?

I totally agree that we can terraform Mars, I have believed it for a long time too. I don't know all the details to terraforming but I bet it would be described in detail if I read your book you're citing. Maybe I'll read the book, maybe I won't.



~PEACE~
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I'm with ya. What ever turns you on, I'm surely no gonna talk about here. But, here we talk science. Got it. Ignore the rest, and leave it all for the other forums. Check. Lay off the complements, until I see how you dance....begin. :)

Making physical prophesy is quite all right, as well. It is just better to call it by the lingo. Nev makes a projection, that H fuel bottles will be the market choice...same thing..but now it is all secular. When in Rome, yes?

In fact we would call that a conjecture if it was a bit more in tune with market forces, but, much, much more that a SWAG.

Starry Eyed, Wild Ass Guess :) In science it is a technical term and everyone knows when to swag and when to not. Brainstorms and wine after dinner...

The market must say. It was the same with VHS vs BetaMaX tape. What drives Tech? We do.
 
Doer

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A 3 body orbit solution approaches impossible, within the myriad of possibilities, considering the practical infinity worth of initial conditions.

In fact, the math hasn't been accomplished, even today. Only a solution to a restricted, 3 masses in orbit with each other, exists. The n-body or eNy number, is not even imaginable, at this point.

So, count up the number of main masses you wish to affect with your propulsion and the answer has to be no more than 2. So, if you were to herd the asteroids together to make a planet, where do you put it, exactly, out there beyond Mars? What orbit and most important, where in the orbit path does it need to be when it all smacks together and begins to cool.

There is no way to predict that. The math does not exist. And most important, the start condition of the solar system can never be known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-body_problem
 
heckler73

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Doer said:
There is no way to predict that. The math does not exist. And most important, the start condition of the solar system can never be known.
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Isn't that the real issue, though? Like with most ODEs, it is the initial conditions which determine what path the solution lies on.
 
Doer

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So true.

Take the Hubble constant.....now, not so such. We see an acceleration of the constant's value. But, we only just noticed.

So, we don't know the beginning state, that we called the big bang, any longer, either.

If fact, the better theory emerging, imo, is that the initial inflation stage did not stop at at all. Which is even stranger.
But, is makes more sense. No one can figure what force can stop that kind of acceleration. I say it didn't stop.
What was accelerated and is still today, is Space.

So we have the universal snooping where we try to wheel back the forces that we know of, but the main one, Gravity, we are getting more and more lost about.

It is really looking like gravity has a repulsion component. And that if we think of Gravity as a density of space, it goes through a phase change, like water and ice.

I have been thinking about this one for a long time and again, you won't read this in the Journals, yet....but you will, I think. It seems like the hand in front of our faces if it was not so dark without the evidence. :)

So Doer's Conjecture is this.

Only Gravity in matter wells is Attractive to other matter.

But, with the phase change of distance, the resultant force of all these gravity wells, (Galaxy being the build block,) is Repulsive to gravity wells due to that Ist motion.

I got onto this long ago, with an L. Robert Forward novel about setting up an observatory in a 400 mile orbit around a neutron star.. A 20 mile across star, mean that orbit period is 5 times per second.

They used the repulsive effect of gravity. It is called the orbit slingshot. We use it to explore our System. You see, crashing into a planet sized mass is not so easy. What is easy, is the mass repulses the other mass in a vector that can be controlled but always AWAY...unless you want to tailor it back in, using fuel. That is how we gain orbit at Mars.

We let it sling the craft away, repulse it, but not so far it leaves all together. Finally when gravity is tamed it attracts our Probe in a nice orbit.

So, the gut is that, for what ever reason, we don't know, gravity is in two phases. The strong phase, where space has formed matter and the velocities are so high, all gravity is repulsive. When the tiny space densities approached each other at the very Beginning, they were going too fast.

The other phase is the weak phase. It is the local effect of attracted masses, in slow orbits, that seems so puny to the other forces. But, if I add the repulsive force we see in the universal acceleration, I see a pretty solid candidate for a powerful fundamental force, like magnets.

That is a big mystery in the Standard Model. So, to me the early Universe was like this. No matter yet, but quantized Space at various density,

Tiny sling shots occurred constantly in the 1st millionth of a second, of dense space, slinging dense space in all direction....Space is repulsive of matter, but matter, is made of space and the attracts more matter, as it slows.

It is repelling space to attract matter. But the velocities were so great that no clumping could happen for the Inflation period.

Yet, a giant motion was added to all space. Now these various densities, though they all travel away from each other at quite a clip, were able to cool into matter clouds and slow down enough, locally, to begin to attract mass into Galaxies.

But, the main force, the negative repulsive force, centripetal in natural, is the big player, as the density of Space with distance is less, so it is the prevailing force. The universe is accelerating, but at what rate? We have not observed it long enough to even know if the rate of acceleration is growing, steady or reducing. And we have no idea that is variable either. There may be other phases, 3 for water actually, which includes ice and steam.

Less density of space, more flying apart. Negative Gravity.

More space density things pull together and form matter. So all the matter forming activity, is local gravity = Pulls together.

All the universal gravity is negative, and MUCH STRONGER, being mostly space = Pushes apart.
 
Nevaeh420

Nevaeh420

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Doer said:
I'm with ya. What ever turns you on, I'm surely no gonna talk about here. But, here we talk science. Got it. Ignore the rest, and leave it all for the other forums. Check. Lay off the complements, until I see how you dance....begin. :)

Making physical prophesy is quite all right, as well. It is just better to call it by the lingo. Nev makes a projection, that H fuel bottles will be the market choice...same thing..but now it is all secular. When in Rome, yes?

In fact we would call that a conjecture if it was a bit more in tune with market forces, but, much, much more that a SWAG.

Starry Eyed, Wild Ass Guess :) In science it is a technical term and everyone knows when to swag and when to not. Brainstorms and wine after dinner...

The market must say. It was the same with VHS vs BetaMaX tape. What drives Tech? We do.
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Doer, I can tell that you know a lot more science then silly Me. Keep up the good work, the more smart people the better, in My opinion. Its what induces industrial growth.

But you told Me to check out that series of books about Mars. A few days ago I picked up the book called Red Mars at a second hand store. I didn't find the other 2 books but I plan on reading Red Mars in the future.

~PEACE~
 
Nevaeh420

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ErieR33FER said:
Yo george, maybe, just maybe, aliens.
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What about aliens?

This thread has nothing to do with aliens.

Even though I may have seen an alien in the year 2012, and I see UFOs almost every night; I don't believe aliens have much interaction with humans.

I am sure that aliens exist, but I don't believe that the aliens are interfering with (most) peoples daily lives.

What does this thread have to do with aliens?

~PEACE~
 
heckler73

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I was just reading Doer's gravity comment (not sure how I missed that the first time... maybe I was studying for finals?).
Before looking for "repulsive" gravity, I'd try to eliminate EM influences, first. It's like the Dark Matter/Energy stuff; theoreticians took the ball of the standard model and began running outside the stadium with it...there's still a game to finish on the playing field...
 
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