Killing The "We Paid Our Taxes; We Earned Our Benefits" Social Security Ponzi Meme

squarepush3r

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Killing The "We Paid Our Taxes; We Earned Our Benefits" Social Security Ponzi Meme[/h]
Submitted by Gary Galles of the Ludwig von Mises Institute,
“We paid our Social Security and Medicare taxes; we earned our benefits.” It is that belief among senior citizens that President Obama was pandering to when, in his second inaugural address, he claimed that those programs “strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers.”
If Social Security and Medicare both involved people voluntarily financing their own benefits, an argument could be made for seniors’ “earned benefits” view. But they have not. They have redistributed tens of trillions of dollars of wealth to themselves from those younger.
Social Security and Medicare have transferred those trillions because they have been partial Ponzi schemes.
After Social Security’s creation, those in or near retirement got benefits far exceeding their costs (Ida Mae Fuller, the first Social Security recipient, got 462 times what she and her employer together paid in “contributions”). Those benefits in excess of their taxes paid inherently forced future Americans to pick up the tab for the difference. And the program’s almost unthinkable unfunded liabilities are no less a burden on later generations because earlier generations financed some of their own benefits, or because the government has consistently lied that they have paid their own way.
Since its creation, Social Security has been expanded multiple times. Each expansion meant those already retired paid no added taxes, and those near retirement paid more for only a few years. But both groups received increased benefits throughout retirement, increasing the unfunded benefits whose burdens had to be borne by later generations. Thus, each such expansion started another Ponzi cycle benefiting older Americans at others’ expense.
Social Security benefits have been dramatically increased. They doubled between 1950 and 1952. They were raised 15 percent in 1970, 10 percent in 1971, and 20 percent in 1972, in a heated competition to buy the elderly vote. Benefits were tied to a measure that effectively double-counted inflation and even now, benefits are over-indexed to inflation, raising real benefit levels over time.
Disability and dependents’ benefits were added by 1960. Medicare was added in 1966, and benefits have been expanded (e.g., Medicare Part B, only one-quarter funded by recipients, and Part D’s prescription drug benefit, only one-eighth funded by recipients).
The massive expansion of Social Security is evident from the growing tax burden since its $60 per year initial maximum (for employees and employers combined). Tax rates have risen and been applied to more earnings, with Social Security now taking a combined 12.4 percent of earnings up to $113,700 (and Medicare’s 2.9 percent combined rate applies to all earnings, plus a 0.9 percent surtax beyond $200,000 of earnings).
Those multiple Ponzi giveaways to earlier recipients created Social Security’s 13-digit unfunded liability and Medicare’s far larger hole. And despite politicians’ repeated, heated denials, many studies have confirmed the results.
One recent study of lifetime payroll taxes and benefits comes from the Urban Institute. For Medicare, they calculated that (in 2012 dollars) an average-wage-earning male would get $180,000 in benefits, but pay only $61,000 in taxes — “earning” only about one-third of benefits received. A similarly situated female does even better. The cumulative “excess” benefits equal $105 trillion, with net benefits increasing over time.
The Urban Institute’s calculations revealed a different situation for Social Security. An average-earning male who retired in 2010 will receive $277,000 in lifetime benefits, $23,000 less than his lifetime taxes, while for females, their $302,000 in lifetime benefits approximates their lifetime taxes. And things are getting worse. By 2030, that man will be “shorted” 16 cents (10 cents for women) of every lifetime tax dollar paid.
While those results resoundingly reject “we earned it” rhetoric for Medicare, the Social Security results, with new retirees getting less than they paid in, could be spun as “proving” Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme. However, that would be false. The reason is that Medicare is still in its expansion phase, as with Medicare Part D, piling up still bigger future IOUs. However, Social Security has essentially run out of new expansion tricks, although liberal groups are pushing to apply Social Security taxes to far more income as one last means of robbing those younger to delay the day of reckoning. That simply means that we are being forced to start facing the full consequences of the redistribution that was started in 1935. That is, the current bad deal Social Security offers retirees is just the result of the fact that it has been a Ponzi scheme for generations, and someone must get stuck “holding the bag.”
In fact, perhaps the best description of the current Social Security and Medicare situation comes from Henry Hazlitt, long ago, in Economics in One Lesson:


Today is already the tomorrow which the bad economist yesterday urged us to ignore. The long-run consequences of some economic policies may become evident in a few months. Others may not become evident for several years. Still others may not become evident for decades. But in every case those long-run consequences are contained in the policy as surely as the hen was in the egg, the flower in the seed.
Social Security and Medicare’s generational high-jacking has become “the third rail of politics” in large part because seniors want to believe that they paid their own way. But they have not. They have only paid for part of what they have gotten. The rest has indeed been a Ponzi scheme. And as Social Security is already revealing, the future cannot be put off forever, however much wishful thinking is involved. Some are already being forced to confront the exploding pot of IOUs involved, and it will get much worse.
The supposedly “most successful government program in the history of the world,” according to Harry Reid, has turned seniors into serious takers. The fact that some of them are now starting to share the pain caused by those programs does not contradict that fact. It just shows the dark side of the most successful Ponzi scheme in the history of the world.
 

Dr Kynes

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and yet, those who have paid their taxes dutifully for the last 60 years are expecting the security they were promised, which is a contract.

the idea that the program should just be scrubbed and all those who have paid their taxes for all these years can just pound sand is not only unjust, but unconscionable.

the program needs to be repaired, or carefully dismantled, not simply blown up with a cartoon missile fired by Wile E Coyote. (FYI, thats Zerohedge dot com in this analogy)
 

UncleBuck

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the pic, while funny, does have a point.

rick perry was the gop candidate calling SS a "ponzi scheme" (which it is not) during the primaries.

point is that he didn't do to well.

just my fair warning to the righties that want to fly off the cliff on this issue.
 

Rob Roy

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and yet, those who have paid their taxes dutifully for the last 60 years are expecting the security they were promised, which is a contract.

the idea that the program should just be scrubbed and all those who have paid their taxes for all these years can just pound sand is not only unjust, but unconscionable.

the program needs to be repaired, or carefully dismantled, not simply blown up with a cartoon missile fired by Wile E Coyote. (FYI, thats Zerohedge dot com in this analogy)

A contract is usually made between willing parties though. Also to pledge the labor of others when they haven't agreed to it, is a UNI-LATERAL contract. Those are the kind slavers made with their slaves.
 

UncleBuck

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A contract is usually made between willing parties though. Also to pledge the labor of others when they haven't agreed to it, is a UNI-LATERAL contract. Those are the kind slavers made with their slaves.
are you STILL comparing the abhorrent practice of slavery in america to the act of signing a piece of paperwork voluntarily?

don't like SS? don't like taxes?

that's fine. just don't sign one of these, fool.

 

schuylaar

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and yet, those who have paid their taxes dutifully for the last 60 years are expecting the security they were promised, which is a contract.

the idea that the program should just be scrubbed and all those who have paid their taxes for all these years can just pound sand is not only unjust, but unconscionable.

the program needs to be repaired, or carefully dismantled, not simply blown up with a cartoon missile fired by Wile E Coyote. (FYI, thats Zerohedge dot com in this analogy)
it better be there when my turn comes or i will be homeless.

and yes, i did pay into it and am entitled to maximum benefit.
 

UncleBuck

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that movie was horrible. the only time i laughed was when ben stiller threw the kid into the river at the end.

i guess robbyboy has some more options besides not signing that piece of paper.

the amish don't have to pay into SS, but they have demonstrated self reliance for a long time.



this guy had the right idea. never had to pay rent, property taxes, or anything else. existence was kinda lonely though.



or perhaps he can rally the people to petition the government for his utopian wonderland where every single line of every single bill and budget must be personally and unanimously approved by every single person in his commune, bar none.

and then again, there's always somalia. no gubmint to worry about, only warlords.

ya think he might ease up on the slaver references after dealing with somalian warlords for a while?
 

schuylaar

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that movie was horrible. the only time i laughed was when ben stiller threw the kid into the river at the end.

i guess robbyboy has some more options besides not signing that piece of paper.

the amish don't have to pay into SS, but they have demonstrated self reliance for a long time.



this guy had the right idea. never had to pay rent, property taxes, or anything else. existence was kinda lonely though.



or perhaps he can rally the people to petition the government for his utopian wonderland where every single line of every single bill and budget must be personally and unanimously approved by every single person in his commune, bar none.

and then again, there's always somalia. no gubmint to worry about, only warlords.

ya think he might ease up on the slaver references after dealing with somalian warlords for a while?
i thought i was the only person who felt that movie sucked..good cast, bad script..i crush for robert downey jr. post drugs:wink:
 

Pinworm

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That was Dick Proenneke. One of my heroes. The guy logged, scrapped, and literally built that entire cabin with his bare hands waaay super deep in the Alaskan wilderness. Even fashioned his own tools. Dude was shredded. 80 miles away from anyone in every direction. He built a chimney with river rock from the surrounding area, started a garden, and then just lived there, in his cabin for 30+ years, taming birds, and hunting, filming all the way up until he was like 80-90 years old. A plane would bring in supplies once every 6 months, with fancy stuff like a bag of sugar, some salt/pepper, some preserves...but, that's pretty much it....What a fucking inspiration. And, yea. Talk about lonely.
 

Dr Kynes

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A contract is usually made between willing parties though. Also to pledge the labor of others when they haven't agreed to it, is a UNI-LATERAL contract. Those are the kind slavers made with their slaves.
given the option i would have opted out, and put that extra cash towards my 401k, but i didnt get the opportunity. we dont get to Opt Out of medicare taxes either, they are a cost of doin business as an american. medicare/medicaid and SS are not such a heavy burden, seeing as they have targeted earmarked taxes, but those taxes are too low to continue the programs, and thus should be increased or the programs will fail which will fuck a lot of people in the ass.

you cant pick and choose what laws and taxes you will or will not pay, unles you pack your bags and find a society in keeping with your views.

otherwise your just the asshole at the keg party carrying the wrong colour solo cup, drinking everybody else's beer.
 

schuylaar

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given the option i would have opted out, and put that extra cash towards my 401k, but i didnt get the opportunity. we dont get to Opt Out of medicare taxes either, they are a cost of doin business as an american. medicare/medicaid and SS are not such a heavy burden, seeing as they have targeted earmarked taxes, but those taxes are too low to continue the programs, and thus should be increased or the programs will fail which will fuck a lot of people in the ass.

you cant pick and choose what laws and taxes you will or will not pay, unles you pack your bags and find a society in keeping with your views.

otherwise your just the asshole at the keg party carrying the wrong colour solo cup, drinking everybody else's beer.
i've said it before, wage base cap needs to be lifted..too bad so sad if the 1%ers don't like it..i like my solo cops standard issue..red:mrgreen:
 

Dr Kynes

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i've said it before, wage base cap needs to be lifted..too bad so sad if the 1%ers don't like it..i like my solo cops standard issue..red:mrgreen:
lifting the wage cap still wont do it, since most of the wealthy dont get their money through wages.

i have proposed before, requiring all US companies to contribute the SS tax for their foreign employees, as if they were in fact working in the US.

thus offshoring your employees would not offshore the liability for the SS tax.

this would be 4% less incentive to move jobs overseas.
 

ChesusRice

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That was Dick Proenneke. One of my heroes. The guy logged, scrapped, and literally built that entire cabin with his bare hands waaay super deep in the Alaskan wilderness. Even fashioned his own tools. Dude was shredded. 80 miles away from anyone in every direction. He built a chimney with river rock from the surrounding area, started a garden, and then just lived there, in his cabin for 30+ years, taming birds, and hunting, filming all the way up until he was like 80-90 years old. A plane would bring in supplies once every 6 months, with fancy stuff like a bag of sugar, some salt/pepper, some preserves...but, that's pretty much it....What a fucking inspiration. And, yea. Talk about lonely.
How did he pay for all that stuff?
 
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