If government provides "services" that are so good, why do they have to use force ?

[see4]

• Sometimes the government knows better because it is an accumulated opinion of the masses as opposed to general consensus of the individuals. - see4
  
  How about taking a stab at the original questions I posed in the first post of this thread?​
  
  

Simple. Because there are only two sides to this coin. Those who have predisposition to think that everything the government does is bad, and those who don't. You happen to fall in the first category, I fall in the second. Case closed.

 

[ginjawarrior]

• Sometimes the government knows better because it is an accumulated opinion of the masses as opposed to general consensus of the individuals. - see4
  
  How about taking a stab at the original questions I posed in the first post of this thread?​
  
  

Rob no body is forcing you to stay in the country your free to pack your bags and fuck off any time you choose

By staying in the country you are using the services (even ones you don't like)

Why do you expect everyone to pay for your freeloading arse when your not prepared to pay for yourself?

 

[Doer]

• Sometimes the government knows better because it is an accumulated opinion of the masses as opposed to general consensus of the individuals. - see4
  
  How about taking a stab at the original questions I posed in the first post of this thread?​
  
  

I would say we have govt, not to know better. We have the 9th Amendment to always know better than govt, but only for our limited perspective.

Govt gives the promise of immortality to a Nation. It knows MORE, it sees FARTHER, has more Intelligent GATHERING. And keeps RECORDS persevered and EDIFICE standing.

Without Gathering information and keeping it preserved, for the Farther generations, in Records and Edifice, we would still be Monkeys, essentially.

No Teaching could occur so All behavior cannot rise above instinct.

 

[Rob Roy]

Simple. Because there are only two sides to this coin. Those who have predisposition to think that everything the government does is bad, and those who don't. You happen to fall in the first category, I fall in the second. Case closed.

That was a pretty vacant "answer". In fact it was more of a dodge the question answer. I understand that you CAN'T answer the question intelligently without proving MY point.

You nearly stumbled on something though, many people DO have a predisposition to hold others accountable and some of those people (me included) don't make exceptions for government behavior that we would abhor if the same behavior were conducted by a private individual. You apparently do allow the government to do things that are immoral, lie, steal and kill and you don't question this.

 

[see4]

That was a pretty vacant "answer". In fact it was more of a dodge the question answer. I understand that you CAN'T answer the question intelligently without proving MY point.

You nearly stumbled on something though, many people DO have a predisposition to hold others accountable and some of those people (me included) don't make exceptions for government behavior that we would abhor if the same behavior were conducted by a private individual. You apparently do allow the government to do things that are immoral, lie, steal and kill and you don't question this.

There is a clear distinction between us. You believe everything the government is bad, though I suspect you were pretty quiet during the Bush administration. I believe some of the things the government does is bad, some things are really good, and some I am indifferent about. You see, I like my country, and would like to see everyone benefit, not just the top 1%. You [and people like you] are in it for yourself. That is not the American way.

 

[ginjawarrior]

You apparently do allow the government to do things that are immoral, lie, steal and kill and you don't question this.

You pathetic little hypocrite

Your giving your tacit approval just by residing in your country

Bitching on an internet forum about paying taxes =/= you standing up against your gov

 

[Rob Roy]

There is a clear distinction between us. You believe everything the government is bad, though I suspect you were pretty quiet during the Bush administration. I believe some of the things the government does is bad, some things are really good, and some I am indifferent about. You see, I like my country, and would like to see everyone benefit, not just the top 1%. You [and people like you] are in it for yourself. That is not the American way.

I think Bush is a criminal. I believe all things that spring from COERCIVE government are suspect , just like if you steal my neighbors purse, you don't become a "good guy" if from those proceeds you buy me a beer. I think you can't answer my questions and are trying to change the subject.

If there ever was any truth to the American way, it was supposed to be that individuals have the right of self determination, but not the right of intervention into others lives via the tyranny of the majority. You're stumbling around with your rationalizations, smoke some dope and chill, oh wait, your government won't let you.

 

[Rob Roy]

You pathetic little hypocrite

Your giving your tacit approval just by residing in your country

Bitching on an internet forum about paying taxes =/= you standing up against your gov

I'll try to address your asininity later, I'm bust detonating some see4.

I apologize, but you'll just have to go over there ---> into the cognitive dissonance waiting room, before you get addressed. How about you ponder and answer the questions I
posed in the first post of this thread in the meantime?

 

[Rob Roy]

I would say we have govt, not to know better. We have the 9th Amendment to always know better than govt, but only for our limited perspective.

Govt gives the promise of immortality to a Nation. It knows MORE, it sees FARTHER, has more Intelligent GATHERING. And keeps RECORDS persevered and EDIFICE standing.

Without Gathering information and keeping it preserved, for the Farther generations, in Records and Edifice, we would still be Monkeys, essentially.

No Teaching could occur so All behavior cannot rise above instinct.

The ninth amendment is a great amendment conceptually anyhow, too bad it is DEAD. The rest of your post is a mixture of Doer and Yoda....translation and relevance please?

 

[Doer]

I think Bush is a criminal. I believe all things that spring from COERCIVE government are suspect , just like if you steal my neighbors purse, you don't become a "good guy" if from those proceeds you buy me a beer. I think you can't answer my questions and are trying to change the subject.

If there ever was any truth to the American way, it was supposed to be that individuals have the right of self determination, but not the right of intervention into others lives via the tyranny of the majority. You're stumbling around with your rationalizations, smoke some dope and chill, oh wait, your government won't let you.

But, the straw dog is this idea of a non-COERCIVE govt. You act like there is something REAL for REAL ideas to "spring from>" But, that has never existed. So, there is no there, there. Ideas try to jack reality and say there is another, more superior form of Tribe.

No. A Fantasy.

We need govt to coerce, the likes of you, for our protection. I am quite willing to take part in that Necessity.

 

[ginjawarrior]

I'll try to address your asininity later, I'm bust detonating some see4.

I apologize, but you'll just have to go over there ---> into the cognitive dissonance waiting room, before you get addressed. How about you ponder and answer the questions I
posed in the first post of this thread in the meantime?

I answered that you can decline the services any moment you want

Just pack your bags and fuck off its really that simple

You just want to freeload off of the hard working individuals that pay for those services that ​you ​refuse to give up

 

[NoDrama]

Rob no body is forcing you to stay in the country your free to pack your bags and fuck off any time you choose

You really think it's that easy eh?
Avg cost to expatriate is $200,000, mostly because you have to have real property in some other country, plus the fees are pretty expensive, around $15,000 on average between 2 countries, the USA and the new one you move to.

You can't just "Move" out of the country, you will still have to pay taxes to the USA no matter where on earth you live until you expatriate and become a citizen of some other country.

 

[ginjawarrior]

You really think it's that easy eh?
Avg cost to expatriate is $200,000, mostly because you have to have real property in some other country, plus the fees are pretty expensive, around $15,000 on average between 2 countries, the USA and the new one you move to.

Yadda yadda yadda

I hear Somalia is pretty fucking cheap

You can't just "Move" out of the country, you will still have to pay taxes to the USA no matter where on earth you live until you expatriate and become a citizen of some other country.

Only if you want to reserve a seat back in the all you can eat buffet called the USA

If you leave for good the what can the irs do exactly?

 

[Rob Roy]

I answered that you can decline the services any moment you want

Just pack your bags and fuck off its really that simple

You just want to freeload off of the hard working individuals that pay for those services that ​you ​refuse to give up

I guess you are not only rude, you are impatient. Your verbal ass kicking is scheduled for LATER, now back in line, no cutting.

 

[ginjawarrior]

I guess you are not only rude, you are impatient. Your verbal ass kicking is scheduled for LATER, now back in line, no cutting.

I don't need your marching orders before I post

You bitching about paying taxes for services ​ you refuse to give up

You should probably reflect on your rudeness to the people in this thread, you know the ones that pay for your freeloading arse to use those ​services that you refuse to give up

 

[NoDrama]

If you leave for good the what can the irs do exactly?

Garnish all your wages, letting you have NONE.

you don't really think that moving to another country absolves you of paying taxes to the USA do you? Not only will you hyave to pay the taxes of the country you are in, but ON TOP OF THAT you have to pay all your USA taxes too.

Look it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States

Excerpted:

The United States is the only country in the world that taxes its nonresident citizens on worldwide income, in the same manner and rates as residents. The Court upheld the constitutionality of the payment of such tax in the case of Cook v. Tait of 1924.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Garnish all your wages, letting you have NONE.

you don't really think that moving to another country absolves you of paying taxes to the USA do you? Not only will you hyave to pay the taxes of the country you are in, but ON TOP OF THAT you have to pay all your USA taxes too.

Look it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States

Excerpted:

That's if you want to save a seat in the USA

Don't go back.....

 

[NoDrama]

That's if you want to save a seat in the USA

Don't go back.....

LOL you obviously did not read it, stop trying to prove yourself right in the face of evidence which PROVES beyond any doubt that you are completely and totally WRONG.

If you don't want a seat at the table you MUST RENOUNCE YOUR CITIZENSHIP!!! You can't just move away.

Stop being so obstinate and understand that your argument has no merit anymore and flies in the face of reality.

 

[ginjawarrior]

LOL you obviously did not read it, stop trying to prove yourself right in the face of evidence which PROVES beyond any doubt that you are completely and totally WRONG.

If you don't want a seat at the table you MUST RENOUNCE YOUR CITIZENSHIP!!! You can't just move away.

Stop being so obstinate and understand that your argument has no merit anymore and flies in the face of reality.

Renounce it then you fuckwit what on earth do you think I meant when I said "don't go back"

• Only if you want to reserve a seat back in the all you can eat buffet called the USA
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If it's that fucking bad there for you then what do you want your citizenship for?


Nothing is keeping you in the country except for your girlish whimpering

 

[Rob Roy]

I don't need your marching orders before I post

You bitching about paying taxes for services ​ you refuse to give up

You should probably reflect on your rudeness to the people in this thread, you know the ones that pay for your freeloading arse to use those ​services that you refuse to give up

Normally I wouldn't be rude, but let's remember that you are the initiator of any douche baggery as far as any conversations we've had.

I'm bitching because of the wordsmithing and euphemism using that goes on. Government doesn't and can't provide a "service" if the so-called customer is a captive.

Private enterprise faces competition and the myriad of competition allows the consumers choice of who will be their service provider in a given market. When the consumer has a choice of WHO will provide a given service, the service provider has to give good service to stay in business, UNLESS, it's the government. The government doesn't allow anybody to compete with it, sometimes under threat of death ultimately. When a monopoly such as government exists, they don't CARE if the "customer" is satisfied, because it doesn't matter, their "customers" are captive. When a monopoly exists and there is no possibly of competing with it, you get shitty service, you get "government service".

In a free market society, one where competition is encouraged, innovation, quality and advancement thrive. Not so in a protected market. Now go spank yourself.