I also am having some problems with my 2 week olds

[Karma0413]

Strains: blue dream and voodoo star

lights:
1x 65w 6500 cfl
1x 42w 2700 cfl
cycle 19/5 ( I admit sometimes it will vary an hour or so as I don't have a timer )

soil:
i started with organic PH neutral, and then mixed in some n/p/k with calcium soil meant for indoor gardens. Unfortunately here in Colombia they don't identify the concentration.
soil temps stay between 73-77f
Soil water runoff 7ish or + ( I am using litmus paper 😔 )

water:
first started 10 days on distiller water
now using tap water that rests for 48hours ( the top soil does seem a little firm when drying suggesting high particle content?)
PH= around 7+ ( I am using litmus paper 😔 ) I am working on getting a digital

Air:
using a simple fan in a sealed unit ensuring light heat blow up and to the top. Usually runs 24hours

**** some I have transplanted but need more soil, they did not feel overly damp. The roots looked healthy white but did look root bound. ****

This is my setup:





These are my girls 4-5 days ago:







I raised the light from 2" because they looked they were getting burned. Here they are today;
is it a deficiency from high PH LOCK OUT? Or should I start feeding? After transplanting the first one 2 days ago it kinda started to perk up.
pic1: first one transplanted and no longer with droopy leaves but weird rust color or brown color
pic2: good pic of the droop, maybe styrophoam cups were drowning them?
pic3: healthiest looking one without discoloration, still some droop
pic4: the last 2 I have yet to re transplant



thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions. I have done a lot of research before posting but honestly have not yet seen any plants with the dis colored symptoms. Here's another good pic of one of the grey spots:

 

[Karma0413]

If I had to take a personal guess, I would say my plants are somewhat overwatered from being stuck in styrophoam. The ph is probably higher than my litmus paper suggests. They need some nitrogen and phos?

we don't have badass liquid ferts that you can just go down down to your local hydro store. I live in Colombia so I was thinking maybe another transplants into some new organic ph neutral soil with like 5:1 with bloodmeal. And I think I should wait to do the transplant until I get a digital PH meter so I can ensure that the girls end up in like a 6.6?

im trying not to be over zealous in my fixes but they sure seem stunted for 2 weeks.

 

[JoObJoOb]

you live in Colombia? Is there still the real Colombian weed like from the 70s n 80s ? is very rich soil down there,why not just use it,lol
your plants look fine,dont over feed,i wouldnt give them any nutes for a couple weeks,
sorry missed part of your post,those are 2 weeks old?u have something going on then,heres pics of mine that just turned 2 weeks old today and as you see there really big

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[Karma0413]

Thanks for your quick reply. Technically they are 9 days from germinate. I think I might have shocked them by an early transplant and now this is 2nd. I underestimated their root growth.

yes colombia has very rich soil. I live in the middle of bogota and don't feel comfortable going out with a shovel like that. Besides surely the bag stuff we bought at home centre might work lol. No, Colombians do not have good weed. It's okay, like brick weed. Cheap. I brought some strains when I moved from the U.S.

Do you have an opinion on the different colored spots?
What about my PH concerns?

thanks again.

 

[harris hawk]

DO NOT feed they are two young - just a little water and make sure you don't over water that's the only thing, they will be ok, keep it simple. Remember marijuana is a weed and is HARD to kill, realy and no need to take soil temps in doors remember this: Gremination stage 1-7 days - Seedling stage 1-14 days - Vegation stage 1-2 months - Pre-flower stage 1-2 weeks - flower stage 1-3 months then harvest

 

[Karma0413]

ILL TRY TO CONTINUE POSTING SO OTHERS CAN LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES.
thanks again for the feedback.....





I should have checked this first. I did feed. Here is what I did when I got home today...

repotted out of styrophoam cups and into legit container.

since I had been growing with organic ph neutral, I mixed this ratio 5:1 with an acidic soil that the bag said ranges from 5.0-7.0 ( go figure )

once thoroughly mixed together I watered them all a little with a feed powder n/p/k 29/8/7 at less than 10% strength.

here are some pics...NOW AT 15 days old

couple additional questions:
1. Don't they look a little pale green? Better yet, even some other defeciency symptoms given the patches and slight discoloration to the red/rust spectrum.

2. I have held off on the watering too much... I have read I these on the forums about the amount to water but I am not watering enough anymore that it drips through the bottom of the container. I think they are just away to small. I have only been watering the outside of the roots "a little " maybe every 2-3 days.... One finger stuck in soil 3" reveals a fairly dry soil. Ps- the roots where white, moist, and hairy. Looked great, just root bound in those cups.

im trying not to do the over water / under water
swings.

3. Distilled water, is it really worth it? Is it mainly a particulate issue?

back to the pics....

 

[LoRd MeGaTR0N31]

I don't feed till my first set of leaves look like the first photo. 2nd pic is the same lady just transplanted her lastnight and gave first feeding. I don't transplant from my cups till they are ready to eat. This girl which is HSO Green crack stayed in a 16oz red cup for 2weeks and 5days. I wait till the first set of leaves start browning and falling off so that way when i do first feed at 1/4 the dose my baby wont get burned. Once Baby's are hungry tho you gotta feed soon cause the brown will travel up plant real FAST.

Check this out when you have time. Will help you in the future to not over water.
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/756878-how-i-germ-my-beans.html

 

[Po boy]

use a mist bottle for watering seedlings. keep the soil slightly damp around the stem. soil that's too wet kills more seedlings than anything. GL

 

[Karma0413]

Thanks lord and pivot. I definitely misunderstood watering this early on. My plants I think just Barely begun the actual seedling phase by your guys' estimates. I think I just need to let me chill out and not touch them again except for water.

 

[LoRd MeGaTR0N31]

Just let your pot dry before watering again. Put a fan blowing a light breeze across the top to dry faster don't want seedling in damp soil too long. When it drys just water around the stem about 2TBS. Also next time start in a cup much harder to over water.

Thanks lord and pivot. I definitely misunderstood watering this early on. My plants I think just Barely begun the actual seedling phase by your guys' estimates. I think I just need to let me chill out and not touch them again except for water.

 

[Karma0413]

Actually they all started in styrophoam cups but I transplanted because they seemed to stay too wet in styrophoam despite putting many large holes on the bottom. Luckily the pots you seem them in now are pretty much dry. I'll take your advise about the much smaller quantities. Thanks again. I'll upload pics in a few days to see how they progressed.

 

[LoRd MeGaTR0N31]

Cool keep us updated. Would love to follow your grow

Actually they all started in styrophoam cups but I transplanted because they seemed to stay too wet in styrophoam despite putting many large holes on the bottom. Luckily the pots you seem them in now are pretty much dry. I'll take your advise about the much smaller quantities. Thanks again. I'll upload pics in a few days to see how they progressed.

 

[neverquit]

Try to put the seedling in something just a little bigger than those small styro cups Im no expert but personally id stay away from it. Also its my understanding you only want to tranny her once. Keep lights i seen CFL VERY close I keep mine withen 2 inchs 3 inchs MAX and a small fan to move the air n fresh air brought in. Its better to underwater than overwater. My fav newbie tip on how to water that got me started was pick the cup up b4 you ever water it get a good feel for its weight water it throughly pick it up and inspect weight. GL no offense personal GUESS but 2 weeks plus for that i dont know if theres a great recovery in sight for such a hurt plant. I so could be wrong and im sure a expert will let me know (prolly rudely) I am wrong lol. Total suggestion but id start over. I used 16 oz solo cup tranny after 10 days bc growth, you WANT to tranny b4 root bound thats why I say they might not recover worthwhile. I found it simple with solo cup as you could put 2 fingers between stem turn cup over n day after light light water itll all just stay together tranny into new hole n gtg. Either way GL

 

[Karma0413]

Yeah very true. Those styrophoam cups were only 8oz. Instead of the 16oz Solo cups. Unfortunately they don't sell SOLO cups here. I'll need to try to find an alternative for sure.

is truly 2 weeks? maybe not but on:
13th Nov the seeds cracked open, at which time I put them in soil.
i transplanted them on the 22nd and again on the 25th ( lol obviously root shock )

Here is an update on on my plants, they seem to be growing... I am continuing to water just a little bit at the roots and a little more in the corner of the pot.

Thanks again for the continued advice

 

[Karma0413]

Last update in the problem area. Here they are getting some morning sunlight before going back in their tent.

while they are growing well now, I believe my biggest problem was being over zealous . When I first burned the tips with the light during seedling phase in combination with overwatering I then transplanted not once...but twice... Now that they are in their final pots I hope they will continue to grow.

I have begun feeding a 25% solution of 29/8/7...... Again only a little. The new growth with lush green color indicates I am on the right track, but I probably won't bump up to full strength though for probably quite some time. I'm moving my posts to a grow journal thanks again for the help.

 

[ProdigalSun]

If I had to take a personal guess, I would say my plants are somewhat overwatered from being stuck in styrophoam. The ph is probably higher than my litmus paper suggests. They need some nitrogen and phos?

we don't have badass liquid ferts that you can just go down down to your local hydro store. I live in Colombia so I was thinking maybe another transplants into some new organic ph neutral soil with like 5:1 with bloodmeal. And I think I should wait to do the transplant until I get a digital PH meter so I can ensure that the girls end up in like a 6.6?

im trying not to be over zealous in my fixes but they sure seem stunted for 2 weeks.

Ok it's great you have been reading, keep it up. Litmus paper is accurate if you use it correctly.

I read your first post, and as I was trying to figure out what to say, I read this post by you and I figured out the best advice I think. You apparently can't get predictable nutrients in your area, so forget that route altogether and grow organically. There is a great Organics section on this site, I really think you should do some of your reading over there. It will solve your Ph concerns as well.

You have added some nutes to your mix without knowing firstly what was in the fertilizer, and you were giving it in excess to a plant that wasn't telling you that it needed anything. The styrofoam pots aren't going to help you, and neither will that light. If you seriously want to grow the weed you see in pictures, you are going to need a light. Not a Christmas tree full of CFLs.

 

[ProdigalSun]

think 3 1 2, not 28 9 7.

 

[Wavels]

J Also next time start in a cup much harder to over water.

Bingo, good advice.

 

[Karma0413]

think 3 1 2, not 28 9 7.

I have actually read that and I'm glad you cemented that in my brain I think I will hold off on any more nutrient...at any strength. Won't my dilution of at least 2:1 water give me a final NPK of 3/1/0.9?

Ok it's great you have been reading, keep it up. Litmus paper is accurate if you use it correctly.


I read your first post, and as I was trying to figure out what to say, I read this post by you and I figured out the best advice I think. You apparently can't get predictable nutrients in your area, so forget that route altogether and grow organically. There is a great Organics section on this site, I really think you should do some of your reading over there. It will solve your Ph concerns as well.


You have added some nutes to your mix without knowing firstly what was in the fertilizer, and you were giving it in excess to a plant that wasn't telling you that it needed anything. The styrofoam pots aren't going to help you, and neither will that light. If you seriously want to grow the weed you see in pictures, you are going to need a light. Not a Christmas tree full of CFLs.

Given that we do have VERY RICH soil in Colombia. I think it may be easier to use the AACT methods and not kill off the flora naturally in our soil.

GRRR it's so freakin hard to get stuff around here ( Bogotá ). I still have yet to find a thermostat and humidity gauge, why? It's Bogota, Who checks the weather?!? Obviously nobody.

I am hoping to find a garden center store soon. The only one we find are these little flower shops, or home centre... Think Home Depot but with only a 7% gardening area. I think I will search tomorrow for a fish aquarium store which we have seen already.

Thanks again guys.

To clarify; chemical ferts, even in diluted amounts will kill a microbial soil?

 

[ProdigalSun]

To clarify; chemical ferts, even in diluted amounts will kill a microbial soil?

Yep. It's one or the other.