lifegoesonbrah
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The study doesn't say that voting record is the main determinant in violent crime rate.... its just a comparison. Why limit the analysis to only small cities??? PER CAPITA
Crime Rates In Liberal Cities Shockingly Higher Than In Conservative Cities
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The study doesn't say that voting record is the main determinant in violent crime rate.... its just a comparison. Why limit the analysis to only small cities??? PER CAPITA
lifegoesonbrah
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damn liberals always trying to limit studies 
I think you would find the results even more extreme.
Rak on Tur'
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Per capita data changes between large cities and urban towns. Using a large city with a younger population vs a urban one with a older population will strike anyone with some sense as cherry picking data to make a argument.
You have to compare cities, towns, ect of the same size if you really want something more accurate. Why didn't they add Phoenix or Birmingham ect to the list? Because they don't look as good in numbers as Provo Utah. Hell here our most liberal town in the state has almost zero crime. Would I compare Girdwood Alaska to Provo Utah? No, because they aren't even comparable. Unless I was trying to create a headline.
Funny thing to mention is that the smallest 5 cities by population on the list ALL belong to the most liberal.
Gary Ind, 78,000 ( not sure how it made the list) Liberal
Flint, Mich 100,000 Liberal
Cambridge, Mass 107,000 Liberal
Inglewood, Ca 112,000 Liberal
Berkely, Ca 115,000 Liberal
Provo , Ut 116,000 Conservative.
Highest 5 population cities?
San Fran 826,000 Liberal
Detroit 705,0000 Liberal
Washington DC 632,000 Liberal
Baltimore 621,000 Liberal
Mesa, Arizona 453,000 Conservative
So throw out the top 5 and the lowest 5 and you end up with 6 liberal cities VS, 14 conservative. What you think we could glean from that?
Rak on Tur'
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What can you glean form it? Not much, if anything. It's a silly argument meant to score points for a political ideology, nothing more. It's just like saying don't bring your daughters to a conservative city, they might get pregnant.
Both equally non relevant arguments, but they look good on paper.
Both equally non relevant arguments, but they look good on paper.
see4
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No. Population density has everything to do with it, not just 'per capita'. I really don't feel the need to explain myself on that point, it's pretty fucking obvious. Not my fault you're too fucking stupid to see it.Wouldn't violent crime rate be more relevant than singling out gun violence?
What does population density have to do with anything... study is per capita....?
#Justsayin
#snobbyknowitallliberal
#avoidtherelevantfacts
#losers
Gun violence is a major part of the equation, but you are correct in saying it is not the entire equation.
But let me ask you, are you denying my premise that the top 10 most gun violent states just so happen to be both the most conservative and the most gun 'free' states?
#wooops
see4
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they can't. all they see is the surface of something, like population, and then assume the rest.
see4
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Flint, Michigan? Ahh no wonder you are the way you are. Foaming at the mouth? Sounds like you have some #originality issues you may need to work on.
see4
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Mesa has some of the highest crime in the Phoenix area, besides Phoenix itself. Both very conservative.
Cambridge people are liberal. The laws and the cops aren't.
Detroit, Flint... Well it's Michigan, who gives a shit.
San Fran, population density.
DC, population density.
Baltimore, don't know.
Provo, don't know.
Berkley, population density.
Inglewood, don't know.
But in the 10 most violent states (not just guns) 5 of the states are blue, and 5 of the states are red.
247wallst.com/special-report/2013/10/04/the-most-dangerous-states-in-america
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://obrag.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/blue-states-vs-red-2012-elect.png&imgrefurl=http://obrag.org/?p=67929&h=457&w=733&sz=82&tbnid=sxm5TXMCwt26iM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=144&zoom=1&usg=__lRqe9ntd98UPKJ1kU4OIz4N8AhY=&docid=ZptL7LUEA1maKM&sa=X&ei=TpSbUo7dHYH8oASQ_oKoCQ&ved=0CFMQ9QEwBw
see4
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That would not be on message for them. They need to stick to Faux Noise talking points. And creating accurate scientific methods to derive a conclusion is not the Republican way.
see4
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So then what you are saying is that it is pretty much down the middle when it comes to crime as a whole, and potentially it is not liberal or conservative, but rather a demographics issue? That would be mighty logical and thoughtful of you.
Yup, thats what I am saying. no political ideal is to blame for crime. It just so happens that the most liberal cities just so happen to have the most crime and the most conservative cities have the least crime.
Probably find a better correlation to gun ownership equaling less crime, and conservatives tend to have the guns.
see4
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But that is not what the numbers are showing, when considering ALL factors, including population density [number of people per square mile]. And when researching this, we should consider looking at pre/post redistricting in many of these states. Specifically midwest states.
The study was done by the Bay Area Center For Voting Research. are they conservatives in your book too?
Fox news has nothing to do with it, what does it say about a person that has to use deception and lies to try and make a point?
Sorry NoDrama, I'm not sure I buying that.
The overwhelming majority of violent crimes are committed in larger cities (100,000+)
And it just so happens that the overwhelming majority of larger cities are left leaning democrat.
This is not my opinion, it's a fact.
see4
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Not sure bro. You are THE expert in that area, why don't you tell us how it works.