Question for someone knowledgable in this matter..

[canadiankushman]

Hello,

Disclaimer: Sorry in advance if I am to sound like I am rambling, it is a side effect of my medication..


So, due to being limited to one flowering room and nowhere to veg, I started and vegged my next batch of babies under 12hours of light for their first 3 weeks while my budding plants finished. The new seedlings showed sex (males) by mid week on the third week. They were culled. The females started to flower, throwing tons of pistils and nodes by the end of the third week. I harvested my finished plants and reset my timer to 20/4. The plants began to re-veg trowing out the unusual leaves for about a week and a half. This is when things got interesting. My plants then started to branch like crazy almost like a clone that had be taken during flowering ie) "monstercropped" They are now 6 weeks along and i am pleased by the results of this..

I have growen this strain many times since doing the original cross long ago. It is a semi-auto strain that is a cross of pure MM and positronsics Grapefruit. It doesn't usually branch out much and is a single cola dominant type plant. My question is, has anyone else ever done something similar to this and had similar results? I would ask this under the 12/12 from seed thread but it doesn't really seem fitting there.. Any input is appreciated. I know someone will say to just top/fim/lst instead but, if I can reproduce my results again, I will use this method as its almost the same turn-around time and fits my needs because I my have one growth area to work with..

Thx for any positive feedback!

 

[SnapsProvolone]

The plants are "revegging" after starting to flower. I have cut clones off plants in early flower and had similar results. Once fully vegging your fan leaves will start popping with more than three leaflets.

 

[hydrogreen65]

Agree, a reveged plant will do some crazy things til they sort there selves out.
I've reveged a cpl, along with taking cuttings in flower. After all the crazy growth, they fi.ished out really nice.

 

[canadiankushman]

Yes I have already seen this, I am about 2 weeks past the revegg stage and have now got some UNTOPPED bushes.. I know the method for "MonsterCropping" but have not found info on someone trying to monstercrop from seed.

i am thinking that it has something to do with the plants hormonal change, as this same behaviour can be seen when revegging a mother or when taking a cut from a flowering plant. Just wondering if anyone else is using, or has used, this technique. I am just about to flip back to flower now so I'm unsure if I will still get the 50% stretch..

 

[Doer]

Well, you may be on to something. It is all about the hormones. I will say the seedlings were "very happy" to the point of exuberance, to be allowed more veg time. And it may have paid off in hormone signalling for GROW, now, while there is a chance!!! And you know how all young life can bounce back and heal up stronger.

In fact, this could turn out to be the best sexing technique yet. Think about it. Then try it again and let us know.

I am very interested in starting some seeds, I have, but the sexing seem to be a big hill. But, this way, is trick....if it works for real.

 

[nova1992]

Well, you may be on to something. It is all about the hormones. I will say the seedlings were "very happy" to the point of exuberance, to be allowed more veg time. And it may have paid off in hormone signalling for GROW, now, while there is a chance!!! And you know how all young life can bounce back and heal up stronger.

In fact, this could turn out to be the best sexing technique yet. Think about it. Then try it again and let us know.I

I am very interested in starting some seeds, I have, but the sexing seem to be a big hill. But, this way, is trick....if it works for real.

i was thinking the exact same thing! get the sexing out of the way first and not after you put all your time into them!

 

[canadiankushman]

So, does anyone care to guess how much this tecnique will influence the stretch phase in early "re-flower"? I have a sneaking suspicion that it might not stretch much but I have have not yet researched this and am too damn busy to get to doing that till deer season is over.

 

[Doer]

Well, get the limit on that and then tell us about re-flower stretch.

And I would think it is a yield curve. Trade offs. We can help plot some times and figure the curves.

So, when did you begin the veg under 12/12? You said babies...seedings? How old from seed breaking the soil? You don't mean you germinated 12/12, right?
I just want to help get the details down.

- start = UNKN
- 2.5 weeks = cull males (could we not have quickly removed the fems before they began to flower? You said it was a few more days before fem flower)
- IAC, 3 weeks = all back to 20 hrs light
- 6 weeks = possible monsters

Questions:

How much stretch did you get in that 3 weeks of 12/12? 50%? None? Some?
You completely re-vegged in 3 weeks?
Do you usually veg for 8 weeks from START (when is start? see above)
I ask this because I am trying to get a handle on what people consider to be the germination period before Veg start.

The other main thing, for me, is it about semi-auto-flowering. Here is a definition, as good as any, I guess.

...[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]a hybrid that will show some of the characteristics of the autoflower parent like early preflowers and vigorous growth in flower etc.[/FONT]

So, this may be a hidden boon you have discover in SAF strains.

Do, you have to buy tags in your Province for deer limit?

 

[canadiankushman]

I germinated normally, in paper towel. Planted in solo cups, and placed them in my flower area. They grew from their first day untill half way through the third week under 12/12. The males showed first as usual. The females started throwing lots of pistils by the end of the third week. I revegged on 20/4 schedule for 4 weeks now and it took a week and a half till they started to grow at a normal rate/appearance. For the last two and a half weeks they have exploded with both vertical growth/branches. I have alternating nodes now and have just flipped them to flower today. I will report my findings next week regarding flowering stretch.

I call this strain a semi auto because I bred it to flower under 14-14.5 hours of light. Here in SK we get too much sun so regular strains don't have time to ripen usually..

I am a SK resident, I just go to Cabelas for my whitetail deer tags/licence. There is a draw system for rifle muledeer, but you can buy a licence for archery only muledeer.

If you wish to try this it's easy, just grow on a 12/12 schedule until the males are gone and the females start to flower hard, then reveg them until they take off growing again, then flip back to 12/12. This is all I did.. Not going to say it will work as it did for me, that's why I came here looking for advice from someone who knows..

 

[Doer]

Wow!! I am impressed....that you can still bow hunt, mule deer, without a tag.

It is something to try. Start germinated seeds under 12/12. Never heard of it. (But, that seems to be a long, long list.)

When I get my 12/12 started again, I will try it...I dropped back growing a bush for yield, since I have proved I can get good flowers straight from clones. Wait. I do have that clone table I made and failed at. I can set those lights to 12/12.

Worth a try. I can at least say, if my regular seed have anything like that auto response.

I love the cutting edge of research more than even the growing......my bad, I am sure.

 

[Uncle Ben]

When going into a veg stage, whether that be from seed or a reversion based on hormonal changes, the plant will go thru all stages of development from juvenile to adult. It's just that simple.

Now.....if it has rudy in it, all bets are off.

 

[GroErr]

Good thread, if you can get the process down pat this would be f'n brilliant for bag seed, unknown seed origin, non-femmed seeds etc. Going to try it, thinking it could save a lot of time over culling well into the flowering stage when you've spent a lot of time/effort to end up with balls….

The beauty of this is if you have a separate veg/flower space, you'd typically have an overlap where you're growing out new clones/seeds in a veg tent, while flowering in your flower tent, meaning you already have a 12/12 grow space, throw the new seedlings (once established) into the flowering tent for 2-4 weeks to cull the males, then throw them back into the veg tent… Even if the process slows them down a bit, loosing a couple of weeks vs. many weeks/effort/cost before finding out you have males sounds like a good trade-off…

 

[canadiankushman]

Doer- I still need my tags to hunt archery muledeer, it's just not on a draw system..

Uncle Ben- I guess what I was wondering is if I will see usual stretching now that I flipped back to flowering. I am assuming that I will see the usual amount of stretching; the same as if I was to flower out a monster cropped clone..


This strain has no true Rudy in it, it is a cross between Mighty Mite and Grapefruit. It receives it's semi-auto flowering traits from its Himalaian indica genes. I have imbred the line several times, selectively pollinating only the females that flowered earliest with pollen from the best, earliest males. This was my first go at breeding, but I think I had some beginners luck..


GroErr-You are right, kinda.. While this may be a faster way to get the males out of the way, it's almost the same amount of time as topping/fimming if your only using this technique to get bushy plants (like monster cropped clones). If I had two areas on two seperate lighting schedules, I'm not yet sure I would use this technique. I don't yet know how this method will effect the outcome of this grow. I speculate that doing this has produces a shitload of side branching and very tight node spacing like one would achieve with MonsterCropping. I do however know that in the past, topping or fimming this strain has always made me end-up with shorter than desired plants. Using this technique, as soon as the plant was finished reverting back to veg state I had alternating node growth. This took approximately 4 weeks. Last run I tried a 5 week veg and I never got alternating nodes or much side branching. This is what has me intrigued, I have never heard of someone "MonsterCropping" seedlings or the effects this will have on the grow..

 

[Doer]

Good thread, if you can get the process down pat this would be f'n brilliant for bag seed, unknown seed origin, non-femmed seeds etc. Going to try it, thinking it could save a lot of time over culling well into the flowering stage when you've spent a lot of time/effort to end up with balls….

The beauty of this is if you have a separate veg/flower space, you'd typically have an overlap where you're growing out new clones/seeds in a veg tent, while flowering in your flower tent, meaning you already have a 12/12 grow space, throw the new seedlings (once established) into the flowering tent for 2-4 weeks to cull the males, then throw them back into the veg tent… Even if the process slows them down a bit, loosing a couple of weeks vs. many weeks/effort/cost before finding out you have males sounds like a good trade-off…

Yes, that's how to work it I think. I have really a tent in a bathroom. But, I have seen bigger tents than this bathroom. And if the Rudi genes give a wild growth spurt for the effort, that is a double boost.

 

[Doer]

Doer- I still need my tags to hunt archery muledeer, it's just not on a draw system..

Uncle Ben- I guess what I was wondering is if I will see usual stretching now that I flipped back to flowering. I am assuming that I will see the usual amount of stretching; the same as if I was to flower out a monster cropped clone..


This strain has no true Rudy in it, it is a cross between Mighty Mite and Grapefruit. It receives it's semi-auto flowering traits from its Himalaian indica genes. I have imbred the line several times, selectively pollinating only the females that flowered earliest with pollen from the best, earliest males. This was my first go at breeding, but I think I had some beginners luck..

Oh, so you bred this. Wow. Even more special. We have to see if you can repeat it. Can you post some pictures of new trials, after deer season?

You knew what meant about the tags vs the draw. thanks.

 

[canadiankushman]

I would love to be able to repeat this but due to Health Canada's recent changes, this will be my last grow. After March 31 I am no longer allowed to grow my meds and must purchase them from a liscenced producer.

 

[GroErr]

I would love to be able to repeat this but due to Health Canada's recent changes, this will be my last grow. After March 31 I am no longer allowed to grow my meds and must purchase them from a liscenced producer.

Ouch, caught by the changes Main reason I never signed up for their grow or purchase licenses, now you're in their database and you're f'd if you try to grow your own. Never trusted government and not about to start at my age, will stay in the shadows and grow my own meds, f'm...

 

[canadiankushman]

Yes I was legal, and I will not be signing up for the new system. But as far as a database is concerned, the Canadian police be it RCMP or otherwise, need to acquire that info from health canada IF they were to be investigating a possible illegal grow. That information is not on a Police database. With the new system the authorities will only be able to know if I have a authorization to possess IF they were to catch me in possession of canna or suspected of growing. If I am no longer a registered patient, they should no longer continue to update my file, showing that I am a legal patient. You get what I am saying? These are medical records and are to be confidential between doctor/HC and the patient. It would be another breech of confidentiality on HC's part if they were to release these past files to conduct a new investigation now that I am no longer on file as having an authorization.. I don't know where people get the idea that the police have on hand 40000 patients medical records.. If so, they should have the records of anyone on a controlled substance..

 

[canadiankushman]

Actually, they would only know if I had a doctors recommendation to use mmj? Correct? I mean, HC is to wipe their hands clean of mmj so what valid reason would have to hold on to the past records of all who had a auth to produce?

 

[Doer]

Actually, they would only know if I had a doctors recommendation to use mmj? Correct? I mean, HC is to wipe their hands clean of mmj so what valid reason would have to hold on to the past records of all who had a auth to produce?

Valid reason? When has a govt of law needed a valid reason. They only need a reason they can defend in a legal sense. Plausible denial has always worked and works better now than ever. The complexity of the recordkeeping is the cover. That how we do it.

You see the Congress just flailing and no one is forced to say what happened. They know what happened but are protected by the complexity of the blame game.

When I get around to seeds, I can try some simi-autos. Good luck on the deer.