hermie seeds?

[homer371]

dear riu,

i got a bunch of free seeds last summer (of supposedly white widow lineage). so for fun, i planted a few of them indoors in early/mid august, and one of them survived. i vegged indoors for 3 weeks and took it outdoors in early september. in mid september, i noticed what i thought was a male pod, as seen in the attachment.

so i decided to let it grow anyway, and hopefully collect some pollen. but at about the 3rd week of flower, it started showing female flowers. then it looked fully female all the way until harvest, just about a week ago, in mid november. when i started trimming last night, i noticed that there were seeds -- a LOT of seeds. i collected about 150 fully formed ones!

however, i also noticed a bunch of what look like male pollen sacks. so, i'm suspecting this plant went hermie because of either weird lighting issues (half indoor / half outdoor) or faulty genetics. so here's my question:

* is there any point in keeping the seeds? are they all going to turn hermie if i plant them? is it worth experimenting with them? or should i just destroy them all and lay this unstable genetics to rest?

* second question, is it worth consuming the 1/4 ounce of hermie weed that remained after the de-seeding? looks kinda nasty, but definitely frosty. lol

peace -

homer371

 

[spek9]

They will not all turn hermie, but it is more likely than if you had good seeds.

My strain of WW is also very prone to go hermie on me, but I'd keep the seeds anyways. When you do get a good female, then you can just clone.

Also, if you do have good bud, I'd keep it, particularly if you've got no other product to use.

-spek

 

[homer371]

hey spek9, thanks for the reply dude. i'm gonna keep the seeds like you suggest and wait for a good female to show up. i'll also keep the bud... maybe smoke report to come.

peace

 

[Trousers]

[opinion]White Widow is the worst.[/opinion]


If the plants were actually female and I have little doubt they were not, some sort of stress caused them to produce male flowers resulting in seeds.
This does not make them "hermies" really. Every female cannabis plant has the ability to produce male flowers, it is a natural and normal survival mechanism.

The seeds you have are feminized and will produce female plants. They will lack a Y chromosome and will be unable to produce real, dioecious hermaphrodites.

The plants from your feminized seeds will be just as likely as the parent(s) to produce male flowers. That is, if you stress the plants the same way, they will probably produce male flowers like the parent(s).

 

[Trousers]

I just re-read your post. Since the genetics are not know and since you saw a male flower first, you may have an actual hermaphrodite. Those are quite rare in stable varieties but since you do not know, who knows?

If the plant was an actual hermaphrodite it will have an X and a Y chromosome. The resulting plants should be about 50% hermaphrodite 35% male and 25% female.


Clear as mud?

 

[homer371]

hey trousers, thanks for the info bro. i assume you mean 50% herm, 25% male, 25% female? (i like them odds, lol).

i guess there are three possibilities:
1) it was truly hermie and the seeds will produce what you said
2) it was truly female and either went hermie to pollinate herself (in which case the seeds are likely female), or some male plant somewhere in the neighborhood pollinated her (very unlikely)
3) it was truly male and went hermie, in which case the seeds are likely male

here are a few more pictures of the plant, while it was alive, some closeups on the top cola, some seeds, some (female looking) bud, and what i think look like pollen sacks.

enjoy -- peace

 

[Trousers]

I would guess it is a stressed female and you will have fem seeds.
The only way to find out is to grow the seeds.

 

[canadiankushman]

We're you bringing your plant inside on cold nights? If so, what did you do with the plant when you brought her inside? Also, what lighting schedule did you follow?

 

[harris hawk]

Yes! keep seeds you have they are called F-1's gentics. and produce good a product - generally they are female seeds. If any thing use for "test" grows

 

[homer371]

We're you bringing your plant inside on cold nights? If so, what did you do with the plant when you brought her inside? Also, what lighting schedule did you follow?

yo canadian, no -- i left the plan outdoors the entire time during flowering. i did move it around, so halfway through flowering it got slightly different number of direct sunlight. but always outdoors (only first 3 weeks of seedling/veg was inside, under 24 hrs cfls, 5000k).

Yes! keep seeds you have they are called F-1's gentics. and produce good a product - generally they are female seeds. If any thing use for "test" grows

thanks harris, i'm definitely gonna keep the seeds and test them out. i'll be very vigilant thought, lol

peace

 

[canadiankushman]

Maybe, a sensitive strain and the constantly changing photoperiod caused it to hermie..

Most likely, a neighbour of yours had a male plant and yours got pollonated. It can get pollonated by a male that's within 5km..
I come to this conclusion because you never noticed and nanners in your buds.. Hemp field close by perhaps? Or maybe just a like minded neighbor..

 

[homer371]

hey canadian, actually i think there might have been nanners on the buds -- check out the pics below... do you think those are nanners in the top pic?

i thought about a possible male in the neighborhood, but i had several other plants that started a few weeks earlier and they developed no seeds, except for a couple of survival seeds. granted, they started flowering about 3 weeks earlier so they might not have been viable by the time the possible neighborhood male was spreading its pollen...