Rob Roy
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Uncle Buck will no longer have to jack off with both hands, it will all be done by velvety soft machines.
Mechanization and the Future
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Uncle Buck will no longer have to jack off with both hands, it will all be done by velvety soft machines.
Rob Roy
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Trade could involve labor for labor, or one kind of good/product for another kind rather than an exchange of fiat currency or a hybridization could occur.
Consumption already happens with no money. People eat things they grow.
Fuck the government tax. End slavery.
heckler73
Well-Known Member
Here's what will wind up happening if we can shake off this antiquated model of production for profit.
[video=youtube;Iw7PchFNJ7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw7PchFNJ7o[/video]
I've been fascinated by the ERG idea for years...It encompasses several heterodox concepts of "money".
But, as I've been loathe to admit, it is unlikely I will see this movement arise in the years I have left since society is too stubborn to adapt to the underlying ideology with its thinly veiled, Socialist implications (which creates a degree of paranoid repulsion on its own part)...
After all, as we have seen over the last few hundred years, those with Money wield Power[SUP]A[/SUP], and anything that presents a legitimate threat to their order becomes a target for destruction.
However, with initiatives such as "living wages" or "guaranteed incomes", we take a step closer towards this potential model of societal organization. I do not believe the functionally dystopic vision presented by movies such as Wall-E or Idiocracy is accurate. There will always be members of society who yearn for higher knowledge (although many will be content in passive pursuits). So criticisms such as, "only Capitalism can spur innovation and development" are utter bullshit.
Innovation comes from imagination; a study of a problem or need and desiring to find a solution.
Development arises out of desires to test solutions, to refine and advance them...
The motive of profit comes truly from the leisure class of society, and their desire to remain in their modes of existence (which generally is supplemented through dividend or profit shares in corporate finance). They use working class "units" to support the infrastructure from which they wield monetary control, and within the working class there is further, micro-competitive division (i.e. no collar, blue collar, white collar, executive etc. cf. JK Galbraith) with its own desires of social advancement via profit.
This lower-division competition is what creates many ills in society. It creates unproductive scenarios where power is required, in whatever form is available, just to maintain--never mind advance--one's position in the grand hierarchy.
In Physics, an analogy could be heat generation from frictional forces in mechanics. It is wasted energy (for the most part) that results from a desired output's production. Hence the use of lubrication or different materials for the mechanical components; but even with all that, as Carnot demonstrates, there will always be an insurmountable limit of efficiency (assuming one is using heat engines to capture some of this waste). So what is one to do?
Perhaps a solution lies in another branch of Physics? Instead of Mechanics, an answer may arise out of Electrodynamics--using magnetism to drive otherwise mechanical processes.
The same can be said of societal organization; it does not need to keep refining mechanical means when electromagnetic options are available.
However, the barrier to entry seems to be cognizance
[HR][/HR]A- Power being defined, "the ability to make people do what they would not do otherwise"
[video=youtube;Iw7PchFNJ7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw7PchFNJ7o[/video]
I've been fascinated by the ERG idea for years...It encompasses several heterodox concepts of "money".
But, as I've been loathe to admit, it is unlikely I will see this movement arise in the years I have left since society is too stubborn to adapt to the underlying ideology with its thinly veiled, Socialist implications (which creates a degree of paranoid repulsion on its own part)...
After all, as we have seen over the last few hundred years, those with Money wield Power[SUP]A[/SUP], and anything that presents a legitimate threat to their order becomes a target for destruction.
However, with initiatives such as "living wages" or "guaranteed incomes", we take a step closer towards this potential model of societal organization. I do not believe the functionally dystopic vision presented by movies such as Wall-E or Idiocracy is accurate. There will always be members of society who yearn for higher knowledge (although many will be content in passive pursuits). So criticisms such as, "only Capitalism can spur innovation and development" are utter bullshit.
Innovation comes from imagination; a study of a problem or need and desiring to find a solution.
Development arises out of desires to test solutions, to refine and advance them...
The motive of profit comes truly from the leisure class of society, and their desire to remain in their modes of existence (which generally is supplemented through dividend or profit shares in corporate finance). They use working class "units" to support the infrastructure from which they wield monetary control, and within the working class there is further, micro-competitive division (i.e. no collar, blue collar, white collar, executive etc. cf. JK Galbraith) with its own desires of social advancement via profit.
This lower-division competition is what creates many ills in society. It creates unproductive scenarios where power is required, in whatever form is available, just to maintain--never mind advance--one's position in the grand hierarchy.
In Physics, an analogy could be heat generation from frictional forces in mechanics. It is wasted energy (for the most part) that results from a desired output's production. Hence the use of lubrication or different materials for the mechanical components; but even with all that, as Carnot demonstrates, there will always be an insurmountable limit of efficiency (assuming one is using heat engines to capture some of this waste). So what is one to do?
Perhaps a solution lies in another branch of Physics? Instead of Mechanics, an answer may arise out of Electrodynamics--using magnetism to drive otherwise mechanical processes.
The same can be said of societal organization; it does not need to keep refining mechanical means when electromagnetic options are available.
However, the barrier to entry seems to be cognizance
[HR][/HR]A- Power being defined, "the ability to make people do what they would not do otherwise"
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
wow.Here's what will wind up happening if we can shake off this antiquated model of production for profit.
[video=youtube;Iw7PchFNJ7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw7PchFNJ7o[/video]
I've been fascinated by the ERG idea for years...It encompasses several heterodox concepts of "money".
But, as I've been loathe to admit, it is unlikely I will see this movement arise in the years I have left since society is too stubborn to adapt to the underlying ideology with its thinly veiled, Socialist implications (which creates a degree of paranoid repulsion on its own part)...
After all, as we have seen over the last few hundred years, those with Money wield Power[SUP]A[/SUP], and anything that presents a legitimate threat to their order becomes a target for destruction.
However, with initiatives such as "living wages" or "guaranteed incomes", we take a step closer towards this potential model of societal organization. I do not believe the functionally dystopic vision presented by movies such as Wall-E or Idiocracy is accurate. There will always be members of society who yearn for higher knowledge (although many will be content in passive pursuits). So criticisms such as, "only Capitalism can spur innovation and development" are utter bullshit.
Innovation comes from imagination; a study of a problem or need and desiring to find a solution.
Development arises out of desires to test solutions, to refine and advance them...
The motive of profit comes truly from the leisure class of society, and their desire to remain in their modes of existence (which generally is supplemented through dividend or profit shares in corporate finance). They use working class "units" to support the infrastructure from which they wield monetary control, and within the working class there is further, micro-competitive division (i.e. no collar, blue collar, white collar, executive etc. cf. JK Galbraith) with its own desires of social advancement via profit.
This lower-division competition is what creates many ills in society. It creates unproductive scenarios where power is required, in whatever form is available, just to maintain--never mind advance--one's position in the grand hierarchy.
In Physics, an analogy could be heat generation from frictional forces in mechanics. It is wasted energy (for the most part) that results from a desired output's production. Hence the use of lubrication or different materials for the mechanical components; but even with all that, as Carnot demonstrates, there will always be an insurmountable limit of efficiency (assuming one is using heat engines to capture some of this waste). So what is one to do?
Perhaps a solution lies in another branch of Physics? Instead of Mechanics, an answer may arise out of Electrodynamics--using magnetism to drive otherwise mechanical processes.
The same can be said of societal organization; it does not need to keep refining mechanical means when electromagnetic options are available.
However, the barrier to entry seems to be cognizance
[HR][/HR]A- Power being defined, "the ability to make people do what they would not do otherwise"
just... wow.
that dude's turtleneck is cinched way too tight.
he wishes to replace commerce and the profit motive with a system that requires everyone operate with the purity and singleminded purpose of an ant colony.
but who gets to be Queen?
i really hope youre trolling with this bugnuts crazy neo-marxist claptrap.
heckler73
Well-Known Member
not quite...I am open to elements of Technocracy's hypotheses. In keeping with the theme of the thread, I question how society will advance when technological limits are breached. Every new techno-plateau has a correlated response in labour's obsolescence. What our current system of "production for profit" entails is a gross inefficiency either through wasted surplus, or power-games involving the maintenance--or increase--of inequality amongst the aggregate extremes.
The way we manage our lives has currency as its head. The procurement of that currency is what drives all our needs, in the end. Of course, there are statistical outliers that can build their log-cabins and hunt moose or fish for sustenance, but this is not the societal participant of concern.
What is the median Human archetype? And how has it changed or evolved over the last 2000 years?
I suppose there is little reason to even concern myself with societal organization if I don't even have that basic knowledge... Do you have any information on what the median Human is?
heckler73
Well-Known Member
Really?
And let's not delude ourselves here; there will always be a need for some degree of labour. At least until all machines can move themselves. And that's unlikely to happen outside of a Sci-Fi novel 500+ years in the future... I'm thinking more short term.
And I'm not talking about free flying cars for everyone and "spooky action" nanowave particle transmogrifiers (with extra Jigawatt Flux Capacitors) that materialize PBJ sandwiches out of cosmic background radiation.
Just basics... Food, Shelter and some pocket change as a contingency buffer ... transitions as large as this need small intermediary steps.
Balzac89
Undercover Mod
Artificial intelligence is not as far off as you think
heckler73
Well-Known Member
I'll need to see some proof of that.
But even in the case of AI, there is no automatic conclusion of self-actuating machinery. That is another process in the chain beyond robo-genesis.
Balzac89
Undercover Mod
If artificial intelligence at or above human comprehension is achieved how would you figure they wouldn't be self actuating?
Why would it be in the best interest of robotic kind to protect man kind?
heckler73
Well-Known Member
I didn't say self-actualizing, I said self-actuating; i.e. movement.
And before considering the moral disposition of robots, how about figuring out the path to this T-2000 future? What is the bleeding edge of AI research anyway? A talking head that can ask you about the weather? A furbee? Roomba?
Balzac89
Undercover Mod
The disposition of a three year old.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
AI is very prominent
Look at the posts of such esteemed RIU members like Beenthere, Freedomworks and Echelon
Look at the posts of such esteemed RIU members like Beenthere, Freedomworks and Echelon
FreedomWorks
Well-Known Member
Ballsack is getting really excited about the new Fox action thriller "Almost Human"
[video=youtube;OyXB4HkKCdQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OyXB4HkKCdQ[/video]
Balzac89
Undercover Mod
I haven't had cable in at least 5 years
FreedomWorks
Well-Known Member
All you need are some rabbit ears. Broadcast TV comes in HD now. In Ithaca Fox is on channel 40 WICZ
heckler73
Well-Known Member
Is that the bleeding edge? Can you point me to something which explains that in more detail?
echelon1k1
New Member
Show me one post where I've plagiarised another persons words and passed them off as my own?
I've caught you doing it twice in the last week because you're an illiterate moron who can't get laid without someone being paid...
If you weren't completely full of shit you wouldn't bare the brunt of so many jokes around here...
Honestly how many times do you want to put your foot in it?
Balzac89
Undercover Mod
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5176466/applebees-installing-100000-tablets-to-take-orders-and-kill-boredom
Applebees is on the verge of eliminating waiters. Mechanization even in the service economy.
Applebees is on the verge of eliminating waiters. Mechanization even in the service economy.
desert dude
Well-Known Member
A fair percentage already are useless.