Fast-Food Workers Strike, Protest For Higher Pay

[Dr Kynes]

not all mcds are franchise buddy.

MOST ARE "buddy"

 

[Dr Kynes]

[video=youtube;RBqjZ0KZCa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0[/video]

"Somebody needs to be held accountable, and they need to pay!"

looks like social services needs to donate a mirror to that bitch so she can spot who is responsible for "all them kids"

 

[Hazydat620]

I had between four and five crews back then.
Some wanted other days off than others, as long as they put in 40hrs it wouldn't have mattered to me.

How long would you have tolerated this kind of leeway, 5-6 crews all taking days off whenever it suited them, what happens when people start taking days off when its crunch time and your up against a deadline? You come from construction so you should be familiar with OSHA, Have you ever heard the saying " Osha rules usually only come about when there is a accident of some sort" why do you think that law was made up, to protect you the employer or the employee?

 

[beenthere]

"Somebody needs to be held accountable, and they need to pay!"

looks like social services needs to donate a mirror to that bitch so she can spot who is responsible for "all them kids"

It's really not her fault, the left wing of our government has conditioned her and millions like her that this is all she is capable of.
Pretty sad if you ask me, but an awesome way to conjur up votes!

 

[Dr Kynes]

I'm saying that there are others just like her but have a T.V. show that pays the bills, and then use that fame to lobby against abortion and contraceptives clinics that could have helped the woman in the video you put up not have those children if she so chose, but the duggars and the people they advocate for would rather take that choice away and put the burden of 15 children on the rest of the tax payers.

the duggars supported their own gaggle of yard monsters themselves BEFORE they got their TV show.

so, corporations, smallholders, franchisees, small businesses and everybody else mus pay more in wages because YOU WANT but do not strive.
government should pay for "all them kids" so a dumb bitch can squeeze out 15 or more and live on the dole

but

those who have lotsa kids and DONT take the dole, well they are just proof of ... something.

plus

enron, bernie maddof, the republican party, teabaggers, the 1%, big oil, big pharma, big tobaccoo, monsanto!

inability to distinguish between having a lot of kids and supporting them, and having a lot of kids and expecting somebody ELSE to provide for them is stupid.
inability to stick to the issue at hand rather than chasing off into the bushes looking for BOOOSHes to blame, well thats just retarded.

 

[heckler73]

I'd agree with limiting mandatory overtime without proper compensation but voluntary overtime should be between the employer and employee.
A couple of years back my guys came to me wanting to set up a split 4/10 work week, when I researched it and found out that the state of California prohibits it in the construction industry without paying overtime, my guys were furious to say the least.

Would you mind telling me what this regulation is so I can look it up? I'm wondering if you may have overlooked something in there.
Perhaps there have been some changes to make it more flexible in the time since you last looked?

I used to work 4x10s in a company and the only compensation (which I considered a bonus) was an hourly increase over the day-shift (5x8s) of 25 cents/hr, as a fabricator. That's a far cry from the time-and-a-half I would have gotten otherwise.
They tried bringing in a 3x12 to fill the weekends for those times when contracts were pouring in, too.
I'm suspicious you can't make similar adjustments to skirt that rule you claim. But until I see it, I only have your word.

 

[Dr Kynes]

do you think I am? I would consider myself more of a nationalist. I would like my hard work to be re invested into the nation as a whole, school's, roads, hospitals and clinics, job training centers..... instead of it lining the pockets of a select few just to be funneled out of the country to be invested somewhere else.

a nationalist collectivist who wants government control of all markets capital and corporations "for our own good"

man that sounds familiar...

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14058/14058-h/14058-h.htm#THE_DOCTRINE_OF_FASCISM

i'm sure it will work out better this time...

 

[Red1966]

Would you mind telling me what this regulation is so I can look it up? I'm wondering if you may have overlooked something in there. Perhaps there have been some changes to make it more flexible in the time since you last looked? I used to work 4x10s in a company and the only compensation (which I considered a bonus) was an hourly increase over the day-shift (5x8s) of 25 cents/hr, as a fabricator. That's a far cry from the time-and-a-half I would have gotten otherwise. They tried bringing in a 3x12 to fill the weekends for those times when contracts were pouring in, too. I'm suspicious you can't make similar adjustments to skirt that rule you claim. But until I see it, I only have your word.

There's no overtime in a 4x10 week.

 

[beenthere]

How long would you have tolerated this kind of leeway, 5-6 crews all taking days off whenever it suited them, what happens when people start taking days off when its crunch time and your up against a deadline? You come from construction so you should be familiar with OSHA, Have you ever heard the saying " Osha rules usually only come about when there is a accident of some sort" why do you think that law was made up, to protect you the employer or the employee?

I think you misunderstood the meaning of split 4/10's
.
Each crew would be on a designated 4/10, not each employee.
Construction crews are made up of different workers with different weaknesses and strengths on a single crew.

Osha was made up for the most part to collect government revenue, simple as that.
Labor laws and attorneys keep my industry safer, not OSHA.
Some of their regulations are actually detrimental to workers safety but try explaining that to some bureaucrat with a degree that's never been on a real job site, let alone performed any construction themselves.

 

[Red1966]

To be fair, OSHA lost all its' teeth during the Reagan admin.

 

[Hazydat620]

I think you misunderstood the meaning of split 4/10's
.
Each crew would be on a designated 4/10, not each employee.
Construction crews are made up of different workers with different weaknesses and strengths on a single crew.

Osha was made up for the most part to collect government revenue, simple as that.
Labor laws and attorneys keep my industry safer, not OSHA.
Some of their regulations are actually detrimental to workers safety but try explaining that to some bureaucrat with a degree that's never been on a real job site, let alone performed any construction themselves.

I think you misunderstood the law then, You cannot split up the days in a 4/10 they have to be consecutive. There is no reason you should not be able to have crew start on Monday and then a crew start on Tues for their consecutive 4 10 hour days.
Do you really think companies actually pay their OSHA fines, they usually negotiate to pay next to nothing.

 

[beenthere]

Would you mind telling me what this regulation is so I can look it up? I'm wondering if you may have overlooked something in there.
Perhaps there have been some changes to make it more flexible in the time since you last looked?

I used to work 4x10s in a company and the only compensation (which I considered a bonus) was an hourly increase over the day-shift (5x8s) of 25 cents/hr, as a fabricator. That's a far cry from the time-and-a-half I would have gotten otherwise.
They tried bringing in a 3x12 to fill the weekends for those times when contracts were pouring in, too.
I'm suspicious you can't make similar adjustments to skirt that rule you claim. But until I see it, I only have your word.

Cmon, I know what laws and regulations I have to abide by in my state.

I doubt the laws have changed in the last four or five years but the only way we could have a 4 day/ ten hour shift is if we were under a collective bargaining agreement.

There's no overtime in a 4x10 week.

In construction there is.

 

[beenthere]

I think you misunderstood the law then, You cannot split up the days in a 4/10 they have to be consecutive. There is no reason you should not be able to have crew start on Monday and then a crew start on Tues for their consecutive 4 10 hour days.

You're fucking ridiculous trying to tell me about constructions and construction crews, go troll someone else.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Can you make a valid point without exaggeration?
What if employees want to work more hours, is it you or the governments business?

these laws exist because CERTAIN companies and employers (not naming any names, **Cough** WalMart! **cough cough**) "suggest" unpaid work, uncompensated overtime,etc.. and then "suggest" that if you do not wish to work when they want you, they will find somebody who will...

it was rampant in calif in the early 90's thats why these laws were fought for by a wide coalition of working stiffs, and not just the union goons either.

 

[Dr Kynes]

There's no overtime in a 4x10 week.

in california there is. under law.

every hour after 8 is overtime.
every hour over 40 in a calendar week, overtime.
worked 5 shifts straight without a day off? shift #6 is overtime.

it's clearly stated in the state mandated "labour laws and your rights" poster every employer must hang in a conspicuous place.

and while it's not perfect, and does limit flexibility for some employees, it does a lot to stop the predation of the employers which was so severe even non-union employees got together for this shit.

edit: ohh yeah, and also, there must be at least 8 hours off between two shifts or they count as One Long OT Shift.

 

[Rak on Tur']

There are 3 ways for this to be settled, and none of the solutions are exclusive:1) Tax the Rich2) Starve the Poor3) Spend Publicly

We have far more options than that, without even raising taxes. If America got over it's love of bombing poor people, having government agencies that do nothing but give people a false sense of security, propping up various dictators around the world, or over priced websites for healthcare. Think of the money we would have to do actual good?We have some pretty screwed up priorities in the US.

 

[Red1966]

Cmon, I know what laws and regulations I have to abide by in my state. I doubt the laws have changed in the last four or five years but the only way we could have a 4 day/ ten hour shift is if we were under a collective bargaining agreement. In construction there is.

I've worked in places that had 4x10's, 3x12's, but had no collective agreement. Under Federal law, one must exceed 40 hours/week for overtime. Some places pay overtime for anything over 8/day, but that is not a Federal requirement. My employer pays absolutely nothing, not even straight time, for anything over 40/week. But I'm classified as Administrative and Professional. And I work for the State, so Federal law may not apply. I don't get Comp time, either, but I still take it. At time and a half.

 

[greenlikemoney]

We have crews that work 4-10's by their choice, no overtime pay. We have employees ( not in a "crew" ) who work 4-10's. We have employees who work 5-8's. We have employees who do not want to work a single hour of overtime. We have employees who will work every single hour of overtime they can get their hands on. We work it out within the organization. It works for us.

 

[spandy]

these laws exist because CERTAIN companies and employers (not naming any names, **Cough** WalMart! **cough cough**) "suggest" unpaid work, uncompensated overtime,etc.. and then "suggest" that if you do not wish to work when they want you, they will find somebody who will...

it was rampant in calif in the early 90's thats why these laws were fought for by a wide coalition of working stiffs, and not just the union goons either.

I realize they were trying to compensate these workers and build protections in, but really what happened is they doomed them to only 40 hours a week, and now everyone held to that figure has to devise their own plan on how to produce enough income in that amount of time to make ends meet.

 

[Red1966]

these laws exist because CERTAIN companies and employers (not naming any names, **Cough** WalMart! **cough cough**) "suggest" unpaid work, uncompensated overtime,etc.. and then "suggest" that if you do not wish to work when they want you, they will find somebody who will... it was rampant in calif in the early 90's thats why these laws were fought for by a wide coalition of working stiffs, and not just the union goons either.

Those laws where there way before the 90's. Not always adhered to, tho.