Opium based Hashish - Myth...?

[NorthofEngland]

For years I have heard talk about Opium Based Hashish.
Supposedly Nepalese Temple Ball was 'opium based....
Not so.
Then I was told that Indian Manali was opium based (Very dark and brittle - like an expanded version of the graphite strip in a pencil - but opium free)..... Then that Kashmiri Attar was opium based (extremely 'heavy' and narcoleptic high but without a trace of opium)....
Then I heard about Pakistani Hash from the Chitral region (it's has a very green interior and the strongest 'skunk' odour that one can imagine, in a hashish, but absolutely no opium).
And then I was assured that the Afghani hash from the Masada-I-Sharif region was positively swimming in opium...."Afterall, Afghanistan has both plants and poppies, so it's the logical place for opium based hashish.....".
NO, NO, NO, NO....!!!

Then, about a week ago, an old time smoker, who regularly posts on RIU and receives much respect (deservedly) mentioned that he had bought some hash, in North East USA that had 'the sickly sweet, dark rich swirls that old timers would remember and recognise as opium...."

Again, I say, Big Steve, NO - NO - NO!

It simply doesn't exist!
There is no profit motive behind it
No demand for it
In fact, quite the opposite.
The average hash smoker would NOT want to be using OPIATES....!

Plus the two substances would be, IMHO, incompatible due to vastly different textures, moisture and burning ability.
Opium smoking is something of an artform.
Getting the very sticky and damp balls of opium to burn isn't easy.
Mixing it with hashish and managing to create a product with a regular consistency would be near impossible.

And that's not just the opinion of myself (all be it based on 25 years of smoking and extensive travel within the hash producing countries of Asia and North Africa), It's also the implied position of the UKCA (United Kingdom Crime Agency).

'China White' Heroin - or Water Soluble, chemically bleached heroin (actually it's usually from Burma, Laos, Thailand or Colombia) is very, very rare in the UK. This is because UK heroin pipelines are run by Pakistani's and Turks who bring in Afghan Brown Heroin (less refined that the hydrochloride white stuff).
In 20 years of on/off heroin use I have never found any white in the UK
In Thailand, Australia and India I've had it but not once in the UK.

The UKCA, however, has reported tiny bits of Afghan made white heroin occasionally coming into Britain - their fear is an Afghan product as strong as it's Colombian cousin. Sniffing is an option when this stuff arrives and far more youngsters are prepared to try a sniff, introducing themselves to the strong possibility of a lifelong addiction.

OPIUM BASED HASHISH, however, has never been reported by ANY UK LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
And they regularly analyse any new types of hashish that appears on the streets of Britain.

I know that absence of proof is not proof of absence but, in this case, the 25 year absence of any evidence (or even an indication of its existence) has to be taken as fairly conclusive proof that opium based hash doesn't exist.

So I leave you now with my final words on the subject.

OPIUM BASED HASHISH DOES NOT EXIST AND IT NEVER DID.

I am open to arguments but they would have to be pretty convincing to change my mind on this matter,

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

Thank you for sharing your experience friend, great post.

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

It is a total myth, in my day the Bombay Black was supposed to be laced with opium. Never thought that somebody would dare saying that Manali, Royal Nepalese Temples Balls, Chitrali or Mazar could be cut with opium.
That's ignorance to a new level

 

[Confucious]

I have never even heard of hash laced with opium, and I haven't even seen real opium in years. Probably because they have decided to manufacture it all into heroin instead.

 

[Texas(THC)]

just pure indica landrace hashish for the most part

I guarantee there is someone out there mixing the 2 though

anybody ever tried a thai-stick? I know a couple of people who have tried it back in the 70's

supposedly had opium in it

 

[qwizoking]

Opium based hash, never hear that myself. but we don't see hash for some reason...
Thai sticks though...most round here have heard the leftover wash after refining poppies was what they dipped em in..woulda been free and perfectly feasible
I suspect westerners just weren't used to the heavy indicas over there.I know switching from my landrace sativas to local "dro" hybrids gives me similar feelings...but I am one to believe that all myths have some truth..I wouldn't be surprised if they did dip thai stick...I doubt hash was messed with though. But all we can do is speculate

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Thai stick is not Indica, Thai is so Sativa that most my friend did not want to smoke it, a little too speedy for most people.

 

[qwizoking]

Yea I know Thai is sativa...but that would never be confused for the body lock and warm glow opiates give you
So we just assumed it was indica..was also really dense unlike the south american sativas I grow

So perhaps that's why thai stick was thought to have opium..must have been a lowland with more cbd?

 

[Texas(THC)]

I was referring to the hashish listed by the OP to be landrace indicas, not the thai stick
I love that speedy shit! In my case that's for me not the friends lol
Qwiso those South Americans sound awesome, would love to have some of that.
Its been about a year since I tried anything close to a landrace sativa, if I could that is all I would grow




http://www.stonerdays.com/a-stoners-process-of-rolling-thai-stick-blunts/

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Yea I know Thai is sativa...but that would never be confused for the body lock and warm glow opiates give you
So we just assumed it was indica..was also really dense unlike the south american sativas I grow

So perhaps that's why thai stick was thought to have opium..must have been a lowland with more cbd?

There is story of lacing the flowers with water used in refining heroine which may be true. The last time I smoke Thai stick was in the very early 80, you mostly smoke Cambodian weed in Thailand since the 80.

 

[lio lacidem]

I have heard this rumored too but feel people said it cause hash was too good lol it had to be laced

 

[colonuggs]

it wasn't hash.... it was the real deal thai stick

 

[cannadan]

I have had oil laced with opium that a buddy made himself....
he used to medicate with raw opium for his spine problem....and would have this purpley goo
that he would add a small amount to the oil...it was tough to smoke more than 1 bottle toke of that stuff....
and it would put even a seasoned smoker in the zone pretty fast

 

[NorthofEngland]

I have had oil laced with opium that a buddy made himself....
he used to medicate with raw opium for his spine problem....and would have this purpley goo
that he would add a small amount to the oil...it was tough to smoke more than 1 bottle toke of that stuff....
and it would put even a seasoned smoker in the zone pretty fast

Of course, a tolerance to cannabinoids will not be preparation for opiates.

I make opium most years (Sept/Oct) from the poppies that grow locally (North of England).
Smoking it is near impossible - it's like inhaling the fumes from a tyre fire.
But rolling a half gram ball, between finger and thumb, then swallowing it with a warm drink (tea, naturally) brings a warm glow and seems to provide a temporary semi-Nirvana of the spirit.

Thai Sticks
I would bet real money that the 'Thai stick dipped in leftover heroin solution' is an urban myth.
The anti-cannabis groups would have a propaganda gold mine if they could demonstrate that 'harmless' marijuana was being adulterated with heroin 'to hook our children....'.
Plus I know quite a bit about the stages of heroin production and, at no point, is there a by-product that could be used in this way.

Cheap veterinary tranquilizers may sometimes be added to substandard narcotics but adding opiates to grass would be like adding gold to increase the weight of silver. Economically unviable.

 

[Fadedawg]

In the late sixties and early seventies, we got Thai Sticks that were rumored to be dipped in opium. They were damn good, but there was no evidence that they had been dipped in anything.

We did occasionally see bud sprayed with PCP and called all sorts of things, but neither the Thai Sticks, nor the PCP laced bud exhibited opium properties.

Another consideration, is that the price of opium at the time, would ostensibly have made the Thai Sticks more expensive than they were.

I have long written it off to urban myth to sell product.

My tolerance is so different starting my eighth decade, that the meaning is unknown, but a couple of years ago, I tried ostensibly the same Thai Sativa strain grown in a medicinal garden and was disappointed to find it wasn't as heads above the other modern strains as it was above Mexican brick weed in the 60's.

Alas, I found the same thing sampling ostensibly Columbia Gold, and Pannama Red grown by modern gardeners. Sometimes, to look stellar, you just have to be noticeably better than the alternatives.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

well, it does exist i've smoked it in the last 3 months. the stuff i bought was from spain and was pretty average hash mixed with a small amount of opium.

all the points about temple balls and afghan are correct, they never contained opium like the folklore would have you believe.

 

[Guzias1]

My tolerance is so different starting my eighth decade

nooooooooooooooooooooo. wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. and you can type so well :]

props

 

[Gquebed]

What? In Afghanistan/Paikstan both opium and hash are as common as chickens and both are smoked openly. So it's only natural that the two would be mixed and smoked.

Back in the 80's when Rebel Gold Seal hash was being traded by the mujahideen for Stinger missiles it was so common around these parts (via Hells Angels) it could be had for $150 an ounce and every once in a while we'd get a chunk that would knock everybody the fuck out, after hallucinating for a bit. Can't be sure what the hash was laced with, but it was laced with something and given that opium was so prevalent in the region where the hash came from it stands to obvious reason that it was likely opium. Not a stretch at all. In fact, a more ludicrous claim would be that the hash there was never laced with opium...

 

[NorthofEngland]

What? In Afghanistan/Paikstan both opium and hash are as common as chickens and both are smoked openly. So it's only natural that the two would be mixed and smoked.

Back in the 80's when Rebel Gold Seal hash was being traded by the mujahideen for Stinger missiles it was so common around these parts (via Hells Angels) it could be had for $150 an ounce and every once in a while we'd get a chunk that would knock everybody the fuck out, after hallucinating for a bit. Can't be sure what the hash was laced with, but it was laced with something and given that opium was so prevalent in the region where the hash came from it stands to obvious reason that it was likely opium. Not a stretch at all. In fact, a more ludicrous claim would be that the hash there was never laced with opium...

I remember the Rebel Hash's with stamped gold slogans and designs.
One had the silhouette of a turbaned Afghan carrying a rocket launcher and read:
"Smoke away COMMUNISM".

But you try mixing opium and hash together,
Quite simply it is not doable.

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

North is absolutely correct...

No stoner wants opium in their hash and no opioid user wants cannabis in their opiates.

There is a very very mild synergy with the two drugs, for me: one cancels the other out.
Of course different individual opioids produce different qualities of effects and needs to be considered.

As North stated, it just doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint..

Opioid based drugs are far more expensive than cannabis (particularly in the US) , so the intention of combining the two just doesn't make sense.

I partake in opioids daily due to my condition, and would not be able to stand up without them (both hips are bone on bone and the soft tissue has hardened into a bone like structure.) Requiring a double hip replacement that will happen in March of next year.

I can tell you first hand....

I hate mixing the two.... As stated, it feels like one shuts the other off.

So, opioids during work/daytime activities...

When I wanna melt....

Hash, oil and flowers.