who's mixing their own salt ferts?

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zem

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1itsme said:
I think theres a couple companies that sell micro mixes dry but idk very much about it.
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there are many such companies, you must look into industrial markets, these guys sell chemicals to factories of food, detergents and what else. problem is they are not in retailer markets so you may not find their links easily. I have been using dry chemicals for years and results are great. the stuff I have are the following:
Calcium Nitrate
Potassium Nitrate
Mono-Potasium phosphate
Magnesium Sulfate
Trace element powder mix
Phosphoric acid
H2O2 35%
formulas are available in many online books and reports, I personally advise anyone to give this method a go because it is really the best way to control feeding. you could go on the same reservoir for much much longer than you can with ready mixes, and it gets even better if you get more sophisticated equipment that tests the ppm of every element in the water then you can go indefinitely with the same res only topping it off
 
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Jbone77

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churchhaze said:
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People should post you directly to get this. What could possibly be better than replacing used nutes with fresh nutes? Or is it just not cool to use a brand that dont have a big name? Is mixing a few bags of raw more difficult than mixing AN, Dynagro, or GH? Maybe im just dumb but I just dont get it. What does Fox Farm, AN, Gh, Dynagro, Canna, BPN, Ionic, Jacks , blah blah blah use for nutes? What am I missing?
 
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churchhaze

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Jbone77 said:
Is mixing a few bags of raw more difficult than mixing AN, Dynagro, or GH?
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No, I actually think it's more straight forward, especially when you learn to use hydrobuddy. Also, you can make stock solutions so you can measure out milliliters instead of grams, which can also increase precision. (how else would you add 0.001g of some micro salt without a dilute solution of known concentration?).

To make a 2 molar solution of KNO3 (molar mass 101.1g), for example, you need ~202g of KNO3 in a 1 liter bottle and fill the rest with distilled or RO water.

You know the concentration of your solution is 202g/L or 0.202g/mL.

Now if you want to add 5g of KNO3, you can add 5g * (1mL/0.202g) = 24.75mL of the 2M stock solution.

Jbone77 said:
Maybe im just dumb but I just dont get it. What does Fox Farm, AN, Gh, Dynagro, Canna, BPN, Ionic, Jacks , blah blah blah use for nutes? What am I missing?
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All hydroponic solutions use the same ingredients. They make it seem like rocket science, but it's really just picking salts to get NPK, Ca, etc to the right levels.
 
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Jbone77

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churchhaze said:
No, I actually think it's more straight forward, especially when you learn to use hydrobuddy. Also, you can make stock solutions so you can measure out milliliters instead of grams, which also increases precision. (how else would you add 0.001g of some micro salt without a dilute solution of known concentration?)



All hydroponic solutions use the same ingredients. They make it seem like rocket science, but it's really just picking salts to get NPK, Ca, etc to the right levels.
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Lol, gotcha, so mixing raw is no more difficult than mixing water? Next thing ur gonna tell me is its cheaper AND easier than mixing water.
 
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Jbone77

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weedemart said:
which companies? calcium nitrate and jack hydro form a complete 2 part nutes start to finish and they sell 25pound of each for 160$ at my local stores. !! ~6600gal of solution at full strenght:clap:
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Why is Jacks hydroponic calcium nitrate 4x the cost of bulk calcium nitrate? Is it better or did they just put the Jacks brand on it n mark it up 400%? I know Jacks wouldnt do that because thats what AN n Canna do but im curious. Whats different?
 
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churchhaze

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The Jack's calcium nitrate actually has a slightly lower percentage of Ca and N than Yara if i remember correctly. It probably has some anticlumping stuff in it or something.

Jbone77 said:
Why is Jacks hydroponic calcium nitrate 4x the cost of bulk calcium nitrate? Is it better or did they just put the Jacks brand on it n mark it up 400%? I know Jacks wouldnt do that because thats what AN n Canna do but im curious. Whats different?
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Jbone77

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churchhaze said:
The Jack's calcium nitrate actually has a slightly lower percentage of Ca and N than Yara if i remember correctly. It probably has some anticlumping stuff in it or something.
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Jacks calnit is 15.5 N & 18 C n costs 4x the price of either yara or southern ag at 15.5 N & 19 C
 
fssalaska

fssalaska

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People who mixup their own salts are either really big super experience growers or very special people , like as in Special Olympics type special. The average guy's not going to mixup anything better than the professional Laboratories putting out High end nutrient formulas... If you try good luck . that's just my opinion I've been wrong before.
 
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churchhaze

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It's really not as hard as you think. Just think of each salt like any other fertilizer. It has an NPK, Ca, Mg value, etc. It's just plant food without marketing. For example, potassium nitrate is just a fertilizer with an NPK of 13-0-44. If i put a marketing label on it called "super NK+", you'd probably be more likely to buy it.

Most people here are used to mixing 3 or more bottles (like gh flora) along with various additives like "cal-mag", pH up/down, "kool bloom", etc. They keep experimenting with these bottles until their system is "dialed in".

The same exact dialing in process could have been done with the salt, acid, and base ingredients. It's one of those things that seems obvious after you've made the transition. All the premixed bottles have overlapping ingredients, but at different ratios, it's actually easier in many ways to just start with the ingredients.

fssalaska said:
People who mixup their own salts are either really big super experience growers for retarded people.. The average guy's not going to mixup anything better than the professional laboratories... If you try good luck . that's just my opinion I've been wrong before.
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churchhaze

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It's so much more straight forward to have calcium nitrate laying around than to have various tonics like cal-mag+ which reek of plant homeopathy.

Both GH flora micro and cal-mag+ contain calcium nitrate. Why have both? Why have either?
 
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Jbone77

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churchhaze said:
It's really not as hard as you think. Just think of each salt like any other fertilizer. It has an NPK, Ca, Mg value, etc. It's just plant food without marketing. For example, potassium nitrate is just a fertilizer with an NPK of 13-0-44. If i put a marketing label on it called "super NK+", you'd probably be more likely to buy it.

Most people here are used to mixing 3 or more bottles (like gh flora) along with various additives like "cal-mag", pH up/down, "kool bloom", etc. They keep experimenting with these bottles until their system is "dialed in".

The same exact dialing in process could have been done with the salt, acid, and base ingredients. It's one of those things that seems obvious after you've made the transition. All the premixed bottles have overlapping ingredients, but at different ratios, it's actually easier in many ways to just start with the ingredients.
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Raw ingredients have a legitimate nutrient value thats easily adapted to ANY desired npk so duplicating a major manufacturers line can be done at a fraction of the price and is no more complicated than mixing a store bought bottled line. Other than the countless times you have made this clear, it will never sink in with most. A 3 part with bloom boosters, silica, n cal/mag is no more difficult to mix than mixing basic, common elements, at a substantial cost savings. Its the same shit. U are just much more patient person than me.
 
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Jbone77

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churchhaze said:
It's so much more straight forward to have calcium nitrate laying around than to have various tonics like cal-mag+ which reek of plant homeopathy.

Both GH flora micro and cal-mag+ contain calcium nitrate. Why have both? Why have either?
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Yes, google the shit if u dont believe him
 
zem

zem

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fssalaska said:
People who mixup their own salts are either really big super experience growers or very special people , like as in Special Olympics type special. The average guy's not going to mixup anything better than the professional Laboratories putting out High end nutrient formulas... If you try good luck . that's just my opinion I've been wrong before.
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there are thousands of farmers who "mix" their own ferts. big fert lines are only good marketers, fertilizers are not rocket science, actually mixing parts of ferts is very basic and very old knowledge...
 
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Dr.greenn

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Hey bro I use jacks hydro pro 5-12-26 at a rate of 3 grams per gallon, calcium nitrate 15.5-0-0 at 2 grams per gallon through the whole grow everything stays super healthy. Lately I have also experimented with mono potasium phosphate at a rate of .5 grams per gallon through peak flower weeks 4,5,6 and also right after the stretch for 1 week to help induce flowering. I got the jacks 5-12-26 & 15.0-0-0 at jrpeters and the mono potasium phosphate on amazon just search it and you shouldn't have a problem finding it. Btw I'm in ebb n flow tables 4 plants per sq foot under 1000 waters avg 2 pounds per light sometimes better. Best of luck, stay stoned

blue skies,
Dr. Greenn
 
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Dr.greenn

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So true with a good nute calculators one can reproduce any product on the market for a fraction of the cost. All you need are products complete analysis sheets, and a few raw salts. Good on ya churchhaze. Why pay hundreds when all you need to do is reach into the coin jar. Stay stoned blue skies
 
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churchhaze

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So I heard about AN's "nutrient calculator" and went to check it out. What I found was shocking. The calculator itself was a bullshit way to get you to buy more of their products, but they have a link up saying

"TOP SECRET - RAW INGREDIENTS LIST - DOWNLOAD NOW"

I'm not sure why, but AN posted a pdf document with every single one of their products and the ingredient list.

http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/calc/Nutrient-Calculator-Raw-Ingredients-List.pdf

Thanks AN. I won't buy your stuff, but thanks for your putting it all in one place for me. I was sick of checking google images for "derived from" lists off of labels.

For anyone new to mixing their own salts, notice how almost all those products have the same narrow set of ingredients. There's even strong overlap within 2-3 part sets, then the "additives" contain even more of the same exact salts. I personally don't even use the term "additive" or "booster" anymore. My phosphate "booster" (KH2PO4) supplies all my phosphates. No "booster", no phosphates. Not only is KH2PO4 cheaper than Koolbloom, it's way more intuitive. The overlap is hardly intuitive.
 
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