desert dude
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Humans ARE predators. Biskit is advocating that we act like predators and kill some seals.
Canadian Seal hunt controversy
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desert dude
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I have to agree with you on this point.
Beefbisquit
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I'm all for disagreeing, but both sides are guilty of this and it makes any real discussion come to a stand still because everyone just shitting in their hand and throwing it at one another.
I'm guilty of this too.
Beefbisquit
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There may very well be evidence that supports reducing the quota, I don't know. That scientist seems to think so.
Keep in mind the quotas haven't even been remotely met in the last decade. As I said only ~7,000 seals were killed in 2011. (I know I said last year, but the stats were actually for 2011, I couldn't find any for 2012.)
desert dude
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So am I. This politics forum has turned me into a grinch.
heckler73
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Beefbisquit
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Lol, it's all good man.
Everyone just needs to cool down and take a step back, I think.
Beefbisquit
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Good post, found this little gem about Grey seals, I had no idea.
Grey Seals and Cod
The northwest Atlantic grey seal population has seen a thirty-fold increase since the 1960s. The most recent population assessment from 2010 estimates the population at 349,000 seals.
Fisheries and Oceans Canada has conducted extensive scientific research, in collaboration with independent scientific experts and the fishing industry, to improve our understanding of the complex relationships between grey seals and other components of the Atlantic coastal ecosystem, including Atlantic cod. As part of the Science Advisory Process in October 2010, a peer-review working group concluded that predation by grey seals was the greatest contributor to increased mortality in large southern Gulf of St. Lawrence cod. At the same meeting, it was concluded that, while grey seal predation on cod is important on the Scotian Shelf, it explained less than 25% of the cod mortality, whereas it could account for around 50% in large cod in the southern Gulf.
The Department continues to study the interaction between grey seals in Quebec and Atlantic Canada and this information will be used to inform management of both the seal harvest and the cod fishery.
heckler73
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Are you sure you're not missing a zero on that number?
In 2009 the "catch" was ~70k. If it went down to 7k that's a huge drop.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/CSAS/Csas/publications/sar-as/2009/2009_074_e.pdf
Beefbisquit
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You are absolutely correct, I was looking at the stats for Norway. National Post quotes around 70,000 seals killed for 2012, in Canada.
My apologies.
heckler73
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Ahhhh...that makes more sense. Even so, at those levels it's less than half of the TAC, so they could drop it by 50% (never mind 25%) and they'd still be below the limit. As well, based on the population, it appears they've at least "stabilized", so perhaps the "precautionary approach" they've adopted is working.
But I still want a fricken Newfie Seal Pie, damn it!
Dr Kynes
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are you not a canuck?
why not go git you sum?
i betcha even in this economy you might be able to find some place that is still open and slangin pie.
Beefbisquit
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Lol, if he's from BC or Alberta that's akin to driving to Maine from California for a pie.
It better be some damn good pie.
AimAim
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I live in one of these states, and if seals were present they would be kept in check. Ellen Degenerate would also be on the local radar.
Canada should start a Seal healthcare plan, so that no seal ever dies for any reason, cuz that would be sad.
Canada should start a Seal healthcare plan, so that no seal ever dies for any reason, cuz that would be sad.
The solution to too many seals is an easy problem to take care of, open seal hunting, sell the license at the gas stations to anyone who pays the fee. Canada gets much needed income and people have a good time reducing the populations.
Or we could do nothing and just let the problem get ever larger.
Dr Kynes
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ohh canada, you so crazy.
[h=1]Seal Flipper Pie[/h] Posted on April 26, 2012 by Woody
This historically significant dish may not be as common as it once was amongst Canadians but historically it was as common to Newfoundlander’s as well as other Northern and Atlantic Canadians as pizza is to culture today. It is still favoured and considered a delicacy by traditionalists and those still involved in the seal hunt today.The dish is basically served like any type of meat pie. Containing meat (seal), root vegetables and gravy in a pastry crust.
Recipe
Ingredients
- 4 Seal flippers – Paws & fat removed
- Cured salt pork fat – Diced as well as 4 small strips
- 3 large carrots – Diced
- 1 Parsnip – Diced
- 1 cup of peas – uncooked
- 1 Stalk of celery – Diced
- 1/2 Small turnip – Diced
- 1 Large Onion – Diced
- 1 Regular Beer
- Water
- 4 Tbs Vinegar
- 2 Tbs Worcestershire Sauce
- Flour
- Other ingedients for a pastry (Not going into detail on the pie crust here, google it)
If the flippers haven’t been cleaned, remove paws, any remaining fur and visible fat (fat can be more easily seen after soaked in water with baking soda for an hour).
Once cleaned place the flippers in a shallow dish and cover with just enough boiling water to cover the flippers, mixing in the vinegar. This will tenderize and soften the meat.
After an hour, remove the flippers and pat dry with paper towels. Dredge the flippers in flour to get a light dustry coating. Heat a roasting pan on a burner with butter and diced pork fat. Brown the flippers, being careful not to burn them in the butter and pork fat. When sificiantly brown, remove the pan from the heat and 1 cup of beer and 1 cup of water to the pan to de-glaze. I’d use a regular beer as a light beer would be easily overpowered by the seal and also chose one that isn’t too hoppy and that would give the gravy an off taste. Place a salted pork fat strip over each flipper and add onions and celery.
Place the lid on the roaster and place in the over at 200 degrees Celsius for 2 hours or until well browned / cooked. You may need to check on the flippers every half hour or so and add more water as necessary. Bring a pot of salted water to a boil and cook carrots, parsnip and turnip for 20 minutes or until semi-soft.
For the pie crust use your favourite recipe or google one up. You can whip together real simple with water, flour, egg and shortening. Roll out bottom crust and pie crust topping. Fit the crust into a large baking dish and pour in a mix of the shredded seal meat, vegetables, peas and gravy. Place the crust topper over the surface of the ingedients and fold/seal edges.
Place the completed dish into the over again at 200 degrees celcius for a half hour or until crust is golden brown and crispy. Be careful not to burn. Wait until cool before serving, carve each piece out with a knife and use a pie server, ladle or large spoon to serve intact.
I like mine served in a fairly traditional way. Over/with mashed potatoes, boiled cabbage and greens; with mustard pickles and homemade cranberry jelly to top it off. Beer is not optional.
Serves 6-8.
http://www.codenewfie.com/food/seal-flipper-pie
now make with the cookin
heckler73
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Nice one... Now I need to find me some seal flippers, I guess. But it might just be easier to order a pie from the Newfies and get it shipped. An old workmate of mine from Nova Scotia (which are just Newfies on their way to Ontario) used to get lobster shipped out to BC every year...
Beefbisquit
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Lobster is $4.99/lb here ($3.99/lb in the right time of season with the right market conditions)....you can by it from guys in trucks on the side of the road or in parking lots..... lol
I hate you. I just bought a 22 oz lobster tail for $27 and a 16 oz Rib Eye for $12.
That's what I get with my EBT!!!