What exactly are conservatives conserving?

[beenthere]

Could this thread be a distraction from the reality that Progressivism is FAILING and it's happening right before our eyes?

Look around you, in every aspect, the modern push of progressivism is collapsing.
Obamacare is virtually dead, big business is making record profits, the poor are getting even poorer, the rich are getting richer, African Americans have the highest unemployment rate in decades, more people are on government assistance than anytime in history and the American people are waking up to this and are finally abandoning Barack Obama and his progressive agenda.

 

[potroastV2]

Just like I said ...


( see post #57)

 

[abandonconflict]

The only thing worse than partisanship is bipartisanship.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I am definitely a statist, that's absolutely true. I don't believe in anarchy or in libertarian agro-paradise.

But I'm not fond of this present system either. What do I want? Equal education for all, equal opportunity at all, and merit-based competition by all. I think wealth should be confiscated from the dead and invested in society, not endlessly passed down to non-earners generation after generation. All people should compete and be forced to earn their places and their fortunes. Since we the people, poor and unwashed, possess far more political power than our elite overlords, this is entirely achievable.

so the family farm should be confiscated when gramps dies, and the three generations that live and work on that farm should be ejected to make way for some new feller who will live work and raise his kids and grandkids until he kicks the bucket and the process starts all over again?

thats BULLSHIT.

 

[beenthere]

Why is it, progressives take their aggressions out on conservatives when progressivism fails?

 

[Pinworm]

Why is it, progressives take their aggressions out on conservatives when progressivism fails?

Beenthere feels victimized. Whats to be done?

 

[abandonconflict]

Why is it, conservatives label anyone who disagrees with them a progressive or liberal?

 

[Pinworm]

Why is it, conservatives label anyone who disagrees with them a progressive or liberal?

*marxist, communist, socialist, and in "extreme cases" HITLER!!

 

[GOD HERE]

Why is it, progressives take their aggressions out on conservatives when progressivism fails?

Why is it conservatives try the same things over and over, regardless of the outcome? Isn't that called insanity?

 

[beenthere]

Why is it, conservatives label anyone who disagrees with them a progressive or liberal?

I disagree with a lot of conservatives, but I don't call them progressives.
I was talking about progressives exclusively, no one else.
Not even progressive sympathizers, like you.

 

[tokeprep]

so the family farm should be confiscated when gramps dies, and the three generations that live and work on that farm should be ejected to make way for some new feller who will live work and raise his kids and grandkids until he kicks the bucket and the process starts all over again?

thats BULLSHIT.

We've already been through that. People who have earned aren't non-earners.

 

[abandonconflict]

I disagree with a lot of conservatives, but I don't call them progressives.
I was talking about progressives exclusively, no one else.
Not even progressive sympathizers, like you.

Progressivism isn't radical enough for me.

 

[Dr Kynes]

We've already been through that. People who have earned aren't non-earners.

so who gets dispossessed in your paradigm?

kids who's grandparents started a company, who grew up working on the factory floor, went to business school, and returned as managers?

or just worthless schlubs like paris hilton?

you know they do recycle their wealth back into the economy already, by their idiotic spending habits and general foolishness with money they do not value.

sometimes it takes a generation or two for them to deplete a sufficiently huge starting stake, but it always happens if they dont learn to produce.

 

[Pinworm]

so who gets dispossessed in your paradigm?

kids who's grandparents started a company, who grew up working on the factory floor, went to business school, and returned as managers?

or just worthless schlubs like paris hilton?

[video=youtube;FWU9zpGM8Ns]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWU9zpGM8Ns[/video]

Yay. Relevance!

 

[beenthere]

Progressivism isn't radical enough for me.

Then you are one radical dude!

 

[abandonconflict]

A radical shift is required.

 

[Pinworm]

Then you are one radical dude!

Tubular, bro.

 

[tokeprep]

so who gets dispossessed in your paradigm?

kids who's grandparents started a company, who grew up working on the factory floor, went to business school, and returned as managers?

or just worthless schlubs like paris hilton?

you know they do recycle their wealth back into the economy already, by their idiotic spending habits and general foolishness with money they do not value.

sometimes it takes a generation or two for them to deplete a sufficiently huge starting stake, but it always happens if they dont learn to produce.

I'm not writing 100 pages of rules here. My goal, recall, is to eliminate most other taxes. That would have vast economic benefits.

I wouldn't just target family wealth but charities too. Tens of billions of never taxed dollars are thrown into the hands of charities every year and then forever idled, save the pittance they have to spend to keep their tax free status. In both cases there are significant economic inefficiencies involved affecting a staggering portion of the economy.

 

[beenthere]

Tubular, bro.

So you're a surfer?

 

[Dr Kynes]

I'm not writing 100 pages of rules here. My goal, recall, is to eliminate most other taxes. That would have vast economic benefits.

I wouldn't just target family wealth but charities too. Tens of billions of never taxed dollars are thrown into the hands of charities every year and then forever idled, save the pittance they have to spend to keep their tax free status. In both cases there are significant economic inefficiencies involved affecting a staggering portion of the economy.

i do not believe actual charities should be taxed at all, but the rules for what is and is not a charity should be tight as fuck.
if your "charity's" expenses hit more than a specified level (say 30%, just off the top of my head...) then youre a business, even if you dont have shareholders or dividends. somebody is gettin paid, and thats not charity thats business.
if your "charity" sends even one thin dime outside the US then youre not a charity, youre an exporter. once you take that money or those goods to kuala lumpur or ethiopia, who can say what you did with it there?
if your "charity" uses it's organization to flog for your religion, thats not charity, thats evangelism.

charitable donations should NOT be a write off, since then it's really not charity or even a donation, but rather a tax stratagem.

but what you build WAS taxed, all your life, and when you leave it to your heirs, that should not be taxed (no matter how much the estate is worth) since your heirs will either continue to make it work, shaking your moneymaker long after you have gone to your tomb, or they will piss it away, letting somebody else's moneymaker shake, who may or may not leave heirs who are smarter than paris hilton (a high school dropout, seriously, the bitch is DUMB)