Attitude. I tried to tell you guys.
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Amos Otis
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I received the only mug I ordered, but nowdays I request no merchandise, but get the guarantee. The packages are MUCH better when they appear no different than 90% of the other incoming mails, imo.
merkabah47
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Just received another attitude fail. XD
I noticed this on the last package as well, but...WHY THE FUCK DO THEY TELL CUSTOMS THAT THEY ARE OFFICIAL ALLOWED TO OPEN OUR PRIVATE PARCELS?
Yeah...check the packaging...it says "May officially be opened." They need to cut that shit out, especially since we got a new drug czar in office here in the United Snakes of America. But, I'm protesting in my own way. I don't want a refund. I want my god damned seeds, and I'm resigned to continue to ask for reshipments, costing them more and more money. Making them lose money is the ONLY way to get them to change their methods.
And what's hilarious is that they really thought that hand writing the address was going to make a difference. No, dumb asses...it's the fact that you give them permission to search our shit. Send it WITHOUT that bullshit, through DHL or FedEx or UPS and there should be little to no issue. I know for a FACT that they have DHL over there, so what the fuck? Why are they still using the postal service which is OWN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
I wouldn't be surprised if Attitude is willfully selling information to those bastards...how else are they still in business and not in jail? Marc Emery anyone?
RenMasters
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My order went through Chicago and was searched. When I got it, it had the green tape. I got the T-Shirt but no seeds or written messages. I sent the Attitude an email yesterday I'm hoping they'll ship me a new package.
I'm not quite sure why they don't offer a FedEx or UPS option. Either way customs can open anything they want. Chicago has caught on and the Attitude will need to change packaging. Customs also sends internal bulletins so I'm not surprised that the LA office is finding them now also.
I'm not quite sure why they don't offer a FedEx or UPS option. Either way customs can open anything they want. Chicago has caught on and the Attitude will need to change packaging. Customs also sends internal bulletins so I'm not surprised that the LA office is finding them now also.
Wow!
First, they don't need to write anything about searching the package. If it goes through customs, it's subject to search. No way around that regardless of what's written on the package or not.
Second, if they use a private parcel service, like UPS, or FedEx, or DHL, or anyone like that, you're going to be screwed even harder. They don't have to adhere to federal mail laws like usps or customs. They're a private company and you accept their terms and conditions whenever you use them. They can open and search your package for pretty much any reason they want to come up with. And they won't hesitate turn your parcel over to the authorities.
eastcoastseeker
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I'm new here but just received my first order from Attitude this past saturday. Order was placed on 12/10/2013 & delivered on 12/21/2013, intact. Just placed another order this morning, sans the crush proof box. All orders placed on my cc. Have used seed boutique in the past, but since Gypses incarceration in the PI I bailed on his site. Will post again when the next order comes in.
merkabah47
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And you're not talking out of your ass, how?
Screwed harder? Based on what? How many packages through private companies get searched like that? The operative word here being "Officially" which means they are giving the state permission, you revoke the state's permission to fuck with your shit and they back off...but, I'm gonna just let you figure that one out.
Also...they're on the lookout for certain packages. Meaning that with FedEx or DHL it increases your chances of not being searched. What's so hard to grasp about that? Changing the packaging by hand writing the address is a joke to say the least. And you really don't understand how they want you to consent whenever they are violating your rights, right? That's how they get away with it, and that's why if you learn the law and represent yourself there is little these assclowns can do to you.
Freedom and Liberty are in your hands and no one else's.
Educate yourself to the true nature of the world we live in.
Silky Shagsalot
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ohhh, bad move!!! that crush-proof tin is huge. if and when your order comes, please come back here and tell us what you think of the stealthiness of this tin.
greywind
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Edit out any delivery details, for the sake of everyone. No need to mention anything other than "Yay! I got them!" or "Fuck!". Your situation is unfortunate, but keep the details out of your posts please.
I think Attitude is still in business because what they are doing is perfectly legal in the UK. The world doesn't revolve around the United States, no mater how much 'Merica wants to believe that it does.
The Pipe
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never had a problem with the tin an T method still perfect deliveries from attitude this way 20+ orders... the key is to be on the east coast unfortunately
michagander
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got mine today!
Thanks Tude!
Thanks Tude!
R410a
Member
OH man... I don't know why I even bothered to read this entire thread. But, I for some reason feel the need to respond. Get ready for a megapost. And yes, my account has zero activity, I registered this account some time ago but never used it, as I frequent other canna forums and never felt much need to post here. Not that I have anything against RIU - but I will say that I've been around the online canna community for nearly a decade and have ordered many, many seeds, and have spent a fair bit of time on the forums over the years - so please excuse my "non-reputation" - as that seems to matter to the OP....
This will be directly not only at the OP, but in general.
Anywho. Firstly, to the OP.
Firstly, by not copying and pasting email right off the bat, you put yourself in this situation. You may have honestly wanted to "protect the workers" - but all you had to do was copy/paste, remove the names, and bam... the first 5 pages of this thread would've been a bit less of a waste of bandwidth.
Now, regarding these emails that you showed us.
Your tone and demeanor comes off a little on the frantic/disgrunted side, not being able to get your order through in time for the promo. So you're now aware your bank has a block on SagePay/Tude, we get that. And the rep at Attitude did also, and suggested that you go another route if your bank won't lift the block. Then you started to get all upset and even more frantic, saying you'll take your business elsewhere, yadda ya. What exactly do you expect them to do? Just give you the shit for free? I really don't understand. To sum it all up (the fella with online merchant experience in the previous post laid it out quite well, but) basically SagePay takes money out of your account, and puts it into Attitude's account. Getting the bank to allow your purchase to go through is completely beyond the control of Attitude. So when you go on and on about how you're going to do business elsewhere, and are so bummed that you're going to miss this promotion, what do you really expect out of Attitude reps? You're not going to get much more than one liners telling you to figure out a different method of payment. The only person that brought up fraud was you, and then you get a response that you somehow twist into making it sound like they are admitting they have a fraud problem, which I don't believe is the case, which I will explain further below (even though others already have).
As far as the little legal line at the bottom of the email... well when I've communicated with them, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. It has -absolutely- nothing to do with your communication with them and it is not the least bit snotty. And the fact that this little legal bit came up when a new rep emailed you back just means that -that- rep either always puts it at the bottom of their emails, or it's an automatic signature that is inserted at the end of every email. Just like you can do with your email account, text messaging, and your forum handles... This means absolutely nothing. Whatsoever.
The fact that your bank will not do business with "the receiving bank" (SagePay) "due to fraud" is a very broad statement - and to say that this is directly correlated to The Attitude is very unfair to the seedbank specifically IMO. I would say that if there IS fraud taking place, it's on SagePay's end, because The Attitude very likely does not have the ability to regularly collect and store personal payment info unless they were deliberately trying to fuck people. Which, I don't know the exact details about how it works, but these chargebacks that Kontraband described makes perfect sense...
I'm not attacking you in the least bit, but I am letting you know that you are being attacked because you come off as embellishing the shit out of this situation - as if you were just frustrated about your order not being able to go through in time for the promo, so you take all of these minor bits and pieces and put them together as something much more elaborate and sinister than it really is.
Also, the name calling, bits of bragging, unwillingness to post the emails from the getgo, makes it so that a lot of us will not take you all that seriously, and it DOES come off as if you have some sort of agenda - to slander The Attitude. The way you have been posting and speaking in this thread really does discredit your character. I am sorry, but it is the truth. If you want people to hear you out, don't be so vague, and then quick to get so defensive, namecall, slander, etc. I admit that some of the posters in this thread have indeed fueled the fire a little bit, but, that is where you need to rise above it man. I don't know how many times you said you were "done" with this thread, and say things like "bye bye" after every post, just to come back for some more? Then you respond to every single poster doubting you, in an offensive, arrogant tone for the most part. Rise above.
The statement by The Attitude rep of something to the effect of "I think it's us but the UK in general" or whatever the exact words were, are either a typo/grammatical error, or you simply you removing the word "don't" - which I don't believe to be the case, but by the structure of the sentence, and my common sense, it appears as though that is what was trying to be conveyed. That they don't feel that they exclusively have a fraud issue, but that there has been issues through the UK at large. Just like in the U.S.
Now, to speak more generally and not just to the OP.
The reason I am even bothering to use my time to read/respond to this thread, is I hate it when anybody gets a bad rap when it's not so necessary. I see it all the time in my company - people either misinterpret small details into something much bigger than it really is, or they look for reasons to be dissatisfied with a company due to some sort of preconceived image of said company.
I personally have had 90% good experiences with The Attitude... I just started ordering from them within the last 6 months, with 5-6 orders made. All of which have been successful. Now, that 10%, is due to the fact that when I have had to interact with them on a customer service level it wasn't exactly what I would expect or hope for. I 100% agree that they could improve on that greatly, just like with many, many other seedbanks. You have to understand that they are indeed running an illegal enterprise by sending seeds to the states.. and yes orders will go missing, they will make attempts to make them right, but at the end of the day, it's illegal - and when customers get all riled up about a lost order, incorrect order, etc... they really don't have much an obligation to do a damn thing about it. Not that this applies to this particular case, but that is what is going on here. I don't agree with it in the least bit. To me it seems like make many efforts to make things right, even though their customer service could indeed be improved. But moral of the story is:
ANY seedbank needs to be ordered from and dealt with with a degree of caution. I always use pre-paid cards, or send money orders via express with tracking and confirmation. Also, when dealing with customer service reps from Attitude and the like, trust me, you will catch many more bees with honey than vinegar. This may be speculation on my part, but I feel that a % of people that get completely ripped off possibly didn't handle the situation the way that they should've. Like I said - All seedbanks need to improve upon their customer service, but we also need to respect the people behind the other side of the screen. Some reps are just plain assholes, sure, and it's bullshit, but see things from their perspective as well, be curteous, and I'm sure things will get worked out. I've ordered very many seeds over the years, and have yet to straight up get fucked. I've had small issues here and there, always resolve. I know not everyone will have such a good all around experience ordering seeds through their lifetime, but put the variables in your favor.
And what is it with what appears to be seized orders always being when you choose the coffee mug for the stealth shipping? It seems as though a large majority of people I see getting orders seized, say that all they received was a coffee mug. Am I the only one that has noticed this? Every time I've used the T-shirt with crush proof tin option, and everytime I've received my order safe and sound. And yes I am in the U.S. I'm sure there are people that have lost orders with that option, but like I said, vast majority.
With ALL of that being said, I wish no offense to any person in this thread whatsoever. I hope everybody that places an order and pays for seeds receives them in a timely manner, pops their beans with a 100% germination rate, and finds a superbly awesome elite clone-only status keeper.
I wish everybody the utmost respect and good vibes - and best of luck in your seed ordering endeavors. My apologies for the rant.
This will be directly not only at the OP, but in general.
Anywho. Firstly, to the OP.
Firstly, by not copying and pasting email right off the bat, you put yourself in this situation. You may have honestly wanted to "protect the workers" - but all you had to do was copy/paste, remove the names, and bam... the first 5 pages of this thread would've been a bit less of a waste of bandwidth.
Now, regarding these emails that you showed us.
Your tone and demeanor comes off a little on the frantic/disgrunted side, not being able to get your order through in time for the promo. So you're now aware your bank has a block on SagePay/Tude, we get that. And the rep at Attitude did also, and suggested that you go another route if your bank won't lift the block. Then you started to get all upset and even more frantic, saying you'll take your business elsewhere, yadda ya. What exactly do you expect them to do? Just give you the shit for free? I really don't understand. To sum it all up (the fella with online merchant experience in the previous post laid it out quite well, but) basically SagePay takes money out of your account, and puts it into Attitude's account. Getting the bank to allow your purchase to go through is completely beyond the control of Attitude. So when you go on and on about how you're going to do business elsewhere, and are so bummed that you're going to miss this promotion, what do you really expect out of Attitude reps? You're not going to get much more than one liners telling you to figure out a different method of payment. The only person that brought up fraud was you, and then you get a response that you somehow twist into making it sound like they are admitting they have a fraud problem, which I don't believe is the case, which I will explain further below (even though others already have).
As far as the little legal line at the bottom of the email... well when I've communicated with them, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. It has -absolutely- nothing to do with your communication with them and it is not the least bit snotty. And the fact that this little legal bit came up when a new rep emailed you back just means that -that- rep either always puts it at the bottom of their emails, or it's an automatic signature that is inserted at the end of every email. Just like you can do with your email account, text messaging, and your forum handles... This means absolutely nothing. Whatsoever.
The fact that your bank will not do business with "the receiving bank" (SagePay) "due to fraud" is a very broad statement - and to say that this is directly correlated to The Attitude is very unfair to the seedbank specifically IMO. I would say that if there IS fraud taking place, it's on SagePay's end, because The Attitude very likely does not have the ability to regularly collect and store personal payment info unless they were deliberately trying to fuck people. Which, I don't know the exact details about how it works, but these chargebacks that Kontraband described makes perfect sense...
I'm not attacking you in the least bit, but I am letting you know that you are being attacked because you come off as embellishing the shit out of this situation - as if you were just frustrated about your order not being able to go through in time for the promo, so you take all of these minor bits and pieces and put them together as something much more elaborate and sinister than it really is.
Also, the name calling, bits of bragging, unwillingness to post the emails from the getgo, makes it so that a lot of us will not take you all that seriously, and it DOES come off as if you have some sort of agenda - to slander The Attitude. The way you have been posting and speaking in this thread really does discredit your character. I am sorry, but it is the truth. If you want people to hear you out, don't be so vague, and then quick to get so defensive, namecall, slander, etc. I admit that some of the posters in this thread have indeed fueled the fire a little bit, but, that is where you need to rise above it man. I don't know how many times you said you were "done" with this thread, and say things like "bye bye" after every post, just to come back for some more? Then you respond to every single poster doubting you, in an offensive, arrogant tone for the most part. Rise above.
The statement by The Attitude rep of something to the effect of "I think it's us but the UK in general" or whatever the exact words were, are either a typo/grammatical error, or you simply you removing the word "don't" - which I don't believe to be the case, but by the structure of the sentence, and my common sense, it appears as though that is what was trying to be conveyed. That they don't feel that they exclusively have a fraud issue, but that there has been issues through the UK at large. Just like in the U.S.
Now, to speak more generally and not just to the OP.
The reason I am even bothering to use my time to read/respond to this thread, is I hate it when anybody gets a bad rap when it's not so necessary. I see it all the time in my company - people either misinterpret small details into something much bigger than it really is, or they look for reasons to be dissatisfied with a company due to some sort of preconceived image of said company.
I personally have had 90% good experiences with The Attitude... I just started ordering from them within the last 6 months, with 5-6 orders made. All of which have been successful. Now, that 10%, is due to the fact that when I have had to interact with them on a customer service level it wasn't exactly what I would expect or hope for. I 100% agree that they could improve on that greatly, just like with many, many other seedbanks. You have to understand that they are indeed running an illegal enterprise by sending seeds to the states.. and yes orders will go missing, they will make attempts to make them right, but at the end of the day, it's illegal - and when customers get all riled up about a lost order, incorrect order, etc... they really don't have much an obligation to do a damn thing about it. Not that this applies to this particular case, but that is what is going on here. I don't agree with it in the least bit. To me it seems like make many efforts to make things right, even though their customer service could indeed be improved. But moral of the story is:
ANY seedbank needs to be ordered from and dealt with with a degree of caution. I always use pre-paid cards, or send money orders via express with tracking and confirmation. Also, when dealing with customer service reps from Attitude and the like, trust me, you will catch many more bees with honey than vinegar. This may be speculation on my part, but I feel that a % of people that get completely ripped off possibly didn't handle the situation the way that they should've. Like I said - All seedbanks need to improve upon their customer service, but we also need to respect the people behind the other side of the screen. Some reps are just plain assholes, sure, and it's bullshit, but see things from their perspective as well, be curteous, and I'm sure things will get worked out. I've ordered very many seeds over the years, and have yet to straight up get fucked. I've had small issues here and there, always resolve. I know not everyone will have such a good all around experience ordering seeds through their lifetime, but put the variables in your favor.
And what is it with what appears to be seized orders always being when you choose the coffee mug for the stealth shipping? It seems as though a large majority of people I see getting orders seized, say that all they received was a coffee mug. Am I the only one that has noticed this? Every time I've used the T-shirt with crush proof tin option, and everytime I've received my order safe and sound. And yes I am in the U.S. I'm sure there are people that have lost orders with that option, but like I said, vast majority.
With ALL of that being said, I wish no offense to any person in this thread whatsoever. I hope everybody that places an order and pays for seeds receives them in a timely manner, pops their beans with a 100% germination rate, and finds a superbly awesome elite clone-only status keeper.
I wish everybody the utmost respect and good vibes - and best of luck in your seed ordering endeavors. My apologies for the rant.
Mr.Head
Well-Known Member
You realize they can open any package coming into the country right, I have had RMA's get searched by customs do you think I put a label on it for customs to open? Do you think I called up customs and said Hey check out this package I sent?there is literally nothing customs will not open if they want to.
People need to quit bringing Emerys name up. He donated millions to fight for cannabis legalization. The DEA has come out and said that, exactly that, in there reports. The man is not in jail for selling seeds, if you are going to keep spreading the bullshit instead of recognizing he is a POLITICAL PRISONER and he is not in jail for breaking marijuana seed laws, he is in jail for thumbing his nose at the American Government and causing headaches for the Canadian Government.
I mean you can keep bringing his name up to try and back up your outlandish claims but people should know that the man was standing up for all of our rights, not just selling seeds to make a few dollars. Note, everyone thats in the seed game for money, is pretty much getting left alone.
Have even the most basic of knowledge before you post ridiculous things, Kthanksbye.
Do you seriously think that when you go to an airport customs can't search your shit unless you let them? Fantasy land lol.
eastcoastseeker
New Member
@ Silky... aaahhh... you must have missed the part where i said i received the seeds...
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