Sara Palin, reconsidered.

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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BigNBushy said:
If oil is on state land, every state would require money, every state would say "we got the money for the people of xxxxxxx."

The difference is that in Alaska, they really did get the money for the people.

National socialism is not socialism at all. It places the state as the most important. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" is a line hitler would have loved to have thought up.

So a state getting "money for the people" and keeping it, and doing god knows what with it, is much more fascist than any other label I can think of.

Between the two nat'l socialist and just plain socialist, the Alaska oil money is socialist, but there are better options. I would just call it the right thing to do.
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Fascism is a form of capitalism, hence the privatization. It is authoritarian that is for certain. If a state owns resources it is called totalitarian. That means authoritarian socialism.
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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abandonconflict said:
Well are they capitalizing on publicly owned resources, state owned resources or privately owned resources?
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The fisherman have state and federal permits and yearly quotas...The Miners have claims with the state for mineral rights and mining permits..Some timber companies own timber land and some more than likely own the timber on public lands...The state and the federal government get a fee for everything...And if you want you can go up there and join them on capitalizing resources, you would be free to do so...I am doing the same thing in Oregon "capitalizing" resources...
 
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beenthere

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abandonconflict said:
When all you do is extoll gop politicians while decrying the foul lot of politicians from the democratic party, you are showing your colors as a republican. When you call Obama a socialist but insist that Alaska's model of resource development isn't socialist, your true colors are showing.
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You just don't get it AC.
No matter how much you want to call me a republican, it's not going to make me one.
I don't support the republican party with any contributions, I do however make many contributions to conservative think tanks like the Cato Institute and Citizens Against Government waste.

As it is in today's politics, I really have only two choices.
When I start seeing democrats being more fiscally conservative than republicans, which isn't saying much theses days, you'll see me commending them. Until then, wise up, would ya.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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nitro harley said:
The fisherman have state and federal permits and yearly quotas...The Miners have claims with the state for mineral rights and mining permits..Some timber companies own timber land and some more than likely own the timber on public lands...The state and the federal government get a fee for everything...And if you want you can go up there and join them on capitalizing resources, you would be free to do so...I am doing the same thing in Oregon "capitalizing" resources...
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Now go look up the word capitalism.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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beenthere said:
You just don't get it AC.
No matter how much you want to call me a republican, it's not going to make me one.
I don't support the republican party with any contributions, I do however make many contributions to conservative think tanks like the Cato Institute and Citizens Against Government waste.

As it is in today's politics, I really have only two choices.
When I start seeing democrats being more fiscally conservative than republicans, which isn't saying much theses days, you'll see me commending them. Until then, wise up, would ya.
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  • When all you do is extoll gop politicians while decrying the foul lot of politicians from the democratic party, you are showing your colors as a republican. When you call Obama a socialist but insist that Alaska's model of resource development isn't socialist, your true colors are showing.​




 
kelly4

kelly4

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abandonconflict said:
I would have voted for Jill Stein if it would have been possible. North Carolina (was there at the time) doesn't allow write in candidates with out some hoop jumping so it just wasn't possible for her to receive votes there. She was arrested shortly before the election for protesting over some tree hugger stuff. She's a socialist. Unlike the democrats the Green Party is actually left wing.
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I could swear that you said you DID vote for Jill Stein...I will have to go back and look.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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beenthere said:
Where do you come up with these rules?
You don't have to define socialism before using it, but I must? LMFAO

And I never insinuated you started any rumors about Sarah Palin, I accused you of believing them, my God.



I'll agree that socialism is an abused word, trying to correlate socialism with Alaska's Permanent Fund is truly abusing the word. :wall:

Merry Christmas
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Yes, you must be able to define it. I'm not correlating, I'm stating. You're abusing. You're the one who calls Obama socialist yet insists Alaska's development model is not socialist. You clearly do not know what the word means. When Alaska's resources are privatized, Alaska will cease to be socialist.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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nitro harley said:
Well I will tell you right now that I will not.
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Fine. I will do it for you. I will post the first line from 5 different sources regarding the definition of capitalism.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/capitalism
an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalism.asp
A system of economics based on the private ownership of capital and production inputs

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=capitalism
An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned

http://i.word.com/idictionary/capitalism
: an economic system characterized by or corporate ownership of capital goods


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners

Mariam Webster is consistent with these but for some reason my tablet is showing me bad links.
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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abandonconflict said:
Fine. I will do it for you. I will post the first line from 5 different sources regarding the definition of capitalism.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/capitalism
an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalism.asp
A system of economics based on the private ownership of capital and production inputs

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=capitalism
An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned

http://i.word.com/idictionary/capitalism
: an economic system characterized by or corporate ownership of capital goods


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners

Mariam Webster is consistent with these but for some reason my tablet is showing me bad links.
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Ok after reading your example of capitalism I can see you and me are not on the same page..For example every industry in Alaska I just told you about are PRIVATE companies capitalizing on resources in Alaska...What is it you don't understand about business? You just posted the point for me about private business's are capitalizing on resources..Right down to the production and markets...Fish, Gold, Lumber, Oil are all being capitalized and those products are owned privately until sold....Get it?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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beenthere said:
we did get a community organizer for their troubles!
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nitro harley said:
A community organizer from Chicago..That is something to be proud of...There are more politicians in jail from that state then probably any state in america...That should of been a clue..
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"It helps the Repubs every time "community organizer" is mentioned. People know who he was organizing, and it wasn't middle class whites."

"So Obongo's main qualification to be President is that he shook down The Man to get more money for pavement apes?"

http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?13431-Definition-of-a-quot-Community-Organizer-quot-Make-Niggers-Chimpout-so-YT-Gives-You-Money
 
Red1966

Red1966

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BigNBushy said:
Last night I was watching tv with my mother. While channel surfing we came across the Gretta Van Strokevictim show on fox news. She had this guy on giving the full run-down on the latest duck dynasty drama. My mother requested I leave it there, and I did. It was a very good segment. After it was over, she plugged her next segment, same topic, but with Sara Palin. Mom wanted to watch that also, so we did. Now, let me just say this. I have never been a big Palin fan. But I have often thought that the critics of here have been unfair. And I cannot understand the hatred she seems to engender from the left. Sure, I would love to have a three-way with her and her daughter, Bristol, but my 'love' for her runs no deeper than that. I didn't look much into her in 08' because I didn't vote for McCain, I refused to. When he announced who his running mate was, I said WTF like everyone else and went on with my life. I never thought of her as overly dumb, or anything negative. Since the most oft criticism of her, the "I can see Russia from my house" was not even said by her, I have been equally dismissive of her critics. I guess you could say I maintained an intentional ignorance of Mrs. Palin; bewildered equally by the adornment she receives from the christianists and the unfair criticism combined with the repulsive hatred directed towards her from the left. So back to last night. Gretta is talking to Palin about the duck dynasty controversy. In typical Palin fashion, I am underwhelmed by any of her comments, then she made a statement that dropped my jaw. So, asked to come on national tv and discuss the controversy generated by an interview printed in a magazine article, Mrs. Palin responds to a direct question towards the end of the segment, which to this point had been rather incoherent. Gretta asked her what she thought about the language used by Mr. Robertson in said article, the response, "I have not read it." How the fuck do you come on national tv to discuss an article about a current controversy, without even taking twenty fucking minutes to read the damned article? I have finally formed an opinion on Mrs. Palin, I'm glad she did not become VP.
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Momma's boy.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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nitro harley said:
Ok after reading your example of capitalism I can see you and me are not on the same page..For example every industry in Alaska I just told you about are PRIVATE companies capitalizing on resources in Alaska...What is it you don't understand about business? You just posted the point for me about private business's are capitalizing on resources..Right down to the production and markets...Fish, Gold, Lumber, Oil are all being capitalized and those products are owned privately until sold....Get it?
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The verb 'capitalize' doesn't imply privatization. These private interests are capitalizing on resources that are not privately owned. The state owns them. The state then requires them to pay each resident of the state.
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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Buck...

One thing is for sure, when BarryO went fishing for suckers he sure got you to bite the hook...It will get better next November and maybe you can get some help with removing the hook from your lips..And then maybe you can go by the clinic for some help getting off the Obamacrack..
 
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