Global Warming or Over Population - Earths Biggest Threat?

[Doer]

Well, the deal is, all the good land is taken. That is the very meaning of War.

 

[hydrogreen65]

The effect of population is not just land required, but also the resources needed to maintain said population.

 

[Balzac89]

Water resources being the biggest.

 

[DNAprotection]

Well, the deal is, all the good land is taken. That is the very meaning of War.

nah...the deal goes more to if humans partner with the land in the appropriate ways for whatever particular region etc...theres more habitable places to live on this planet then u can shake a stick at...imo the above quote comes from a view that is rooted in separating humans from all else, but we are a part of all else that is and it is from within that view one learns how to partner with even the most extreme surroundings etc...

 

[UncleBuck]

Precisely my point, dummy.

your dumb, racist friend was trying to say that global warming has been "stalled" for the last 15 years.

i pointed out that the last 15 years have been the hottest on record.

so dumb, racist you starts talking about ice ages. what do ice ages have to do with the last 15 years being the hottest on record?

 

[cannabineer]

Is that all?



Maxwell's equations have the answer...but also another problem.
Sticking some grounded conductor out at such an orbit would generate charge (thanks to the varying magnetic field of the Earth as it rotates in relation to the Sun's).
That charge could be harnessed for power. How much would be generated? I have no idea...and I have no impetus to bother manipulating the equations, either.
But at the same time, this creates other problems as the current may create electric forces that would cause extra strain on the cable itself, never mind all of the random lightning/plasma discharges that would probably result.
Regardless, the idea is half-baked (or maybe really baked) and best left to Sci-Fi novelists high on Hawaiian Sativas, sitting in their Sri Lankan HQs.
We probably have a better chance of developing EM propulsion (which is close to zero)...



I do remember that...I haven't heard anyone seriously discuss it, though, in over 20 years. What happened to the research?

Atmospheric testing treaties ...

 

[cannabineer]

The climate is not hooked to monkey behavior. it is just that these monkeys think they are the center of everything. They have the idea they hold the key to some delicate balance that can only exist in the fantesy of these shinny clever monkeys.

The evidence is that our energy budget is but a fly fart, compared to the Climate's budget. The Nuts, grabbed after several tries, the most abundant element, Carbon and claimed that is the secret key. Insane for Greed and hate Big Oil. They want the money.

The population crash problem has nothing to do with climate. But, these are the same dumb, hippy types, that keep saying we have too many people on the planet and blame the 3rd world for that. Insane, and full of shit. They have known this is false and AGW is false for a while now.

But, it presses on, since the Agenda is, fooled you, ha ha. And the aim is $$.

The population crash is about the fact that enlightened women don't want to be breed slaves. It is about the already existing upside down societies in this world. Japan especially are not producing a replacement birth rate. Women around the Brave New World are saying "Fuck it, but no babies, I don't have to be a slave of one man."

In China they have done a reversal...woops. The women get a taste of no kids and they like it. China say now, "maybe 2, you ask, OK?"

This alone seems to have no foreseeable reverse. And will not take much to crash the industrialized populations. It is already happening, in Germany and France, etc. This is Women Liberation and the unintended consequence. How can women really be equal to men? No kids.

How can we get them back barefoot and preggers after they have seem Paris on TV?

Why do yo think Islam flips out at the Great Satan? It influences the women to not be slaves.

To the colorized: By and large you are right. I do notice however that atmospheric pCO2 has been rising in lockstep with human use of fossil fuel. This is incontrovertible.

Imo the real debate will revolve around whether this is significant, and how significant it is. Humans have already had real effect/impact on regional climate. A billion goats x ten thousand years have doubled the Sahara's area, for instance. Deforestation has led to changes in local/regional water budgets ...

 

[Doer]

Did goats do in the the Great North African grassland? I don't think so. I think Man is puny and a slave to the Climate. All else is just made up for $$.

http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

"The climate change at [10,500 years ago] which turned most of the [3.8 million square mile] large Sahara into a savannah-type environment happened within a few hundred years only, certainly within less than 500 years," said study team member Stefan Kroepelin of the University of Cologne in Germany.

A timeline of Sahara occupation [See Map]:

• 22,000 to 10,500 years ago: The Sahara was devoid of any human occupation outside the Nile Valley and extended 250 miles further south than it does today.

• 10,500 to 9,000 years ago: Monsoon rains begin sweeping into the Sahara, transforming the region into a habitable area swiftly settled by Nile Valley dwellers.

• 9,000 to 7,300 years ago: Continued rains, vegetation growth, and animal migrations lead to well established human settlements, including the introduction of domesticated livestock such as sheep and goats.

• 7,300 to 5,500 years ago: Retreating monsoonal rains initiate desiccation in the Egyptian Sahara, prompting humans to move to remaining habitable niches in Sudanese Sahara. The end of the rains and return of desert conditions throughout the Sahara after 5,500 coincides with population return to the Nile Valley and the beginning of pharaonic society.

 

[see4]

Tea-gaggers are Earth's biggest threat.

 

[Doer]

So, we did not do in the Savannah of the North, don't you see? It birthed western civilization. A lucky weather pattern made us, my friend.

And it was us, the new shinny monkeys that came up the very idea, it is better to be lucky than good.

We just lucked out and the sand went and came back. But while it was gone we raised ourselves up with largess.

And, we got some very good ideas from the Garden of Eden, did we not?

 

[cannabineer]

Did goats do in the the Great North African grassland? I don't think so. I think Man is puny and a slave to the Climate. All else is just made up for $$.

http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

"The climate change at [10,500 years ago] which turned most of the [3.8 million square mile] large Sahara into a savannah-type environment happened within a few hundred years only, certainly within less than 500 years," said study team member Stefan Kroepelin of the University of Cologne in Germany.

A timeline of Sahara occupation [See Map]:

• 22,000 to 10,500 years ago: The Sahara was devoid of any human occupation outside the Nile Valley and extended 250 miles further south than it does today.

• 10,500 to 9,000 years ago: Monsoon rains begin sweeping into the Sahara, transforming the region into a habitable area swiftly settled by Nile Valley dwellers.

• 9,000 to 7,300 years ago: Continued rains, vegetation growth, and animal migrations lead to well established human settlements, including the introduction of domesticated livestock such as sheep and goats.

• 7,300 to 5,500 years ago: Retreating monsoonal rains initiate desiccation in the Egyptian Sahara, prompting humans to move to remaining habitable niches in Sudanese Sahara. The end of the rains and return of desert conditions throughout the Sahara after 5,500 coincides with population return to the Nile Valley and the beginning of pharaonic society.

I cannot find it, but in the '70s they fenced off some hundreds of square miles of Sahara from goats. The enclosed polygon was much greener than the surrounding desolation. Goats are astounding overgrazers. Unlike sheep they eat roots and nubs, ruining the land's capacity to recover. Goats are valued for that very reason: they'll endure in tough terrain, but it's a classic case of slaughtering the goose instead of harvesting eggs.

 

[Doer]

Well, I don't like goats, either. But they are good at eating everything. That isn't why the agrarian attempts failed, after succeeding very well. This branch of our cousins, made the push and then fell back to plan B.... De Nile.

So, if you just wall off from goats and don't irrigate, all is OK? Nonsense. Saganism. Still very prevalent from the 70s. Just make it up, then Lie for $$.

This is not be confused with Disneyism where they just threw the Lemmings off the Cliff, when they they found out they were too smart to jump, much less parade off. The locals told them there was no such thing. So, then they Lie for $$.

Very similar to all religions, quite true.

 

[cannabineer]

Well, I don't like goats, either. But they are good at eating everything. That isn't why the agrarian attempts failed, after succeeding very well. This branch of our cousins, made the push and then fell back to plan B.... De Nile.

So, if you just wall off from goats and don't irrigate, all is OK? Nonsense. Saganism. Still very prevalent from the 70s. Just make it up, then Lie for $$.

This is not be confused with Disneyism where they just threw the Lemmings off the Cliff, when they they found out they were too smart to jump, much less parade off. The locals told them there was no such thing. So, then they Lie for $$.

Very similar to all religions, quite true.

And that is why I wish i could have found a relevant link. They had satellite photos; no irrigation. Hard to lie to a satellite.

Nonetheless i am sensitive to your argument. An awful lot gets fabricated and then passed off as first 'reasonable extrapolation' and then canon.

 

[abandonconflict]

Tea-gaggers are Earth's biggest threat.

Ignorance is the greatest threat, closely followed by fear.

 

[desert dude]

remind me when the hottest 10 years on record took place, as well as the hottest decades on record.

Here is a reminder you must have missed. The average global temperature has been stalled for 15 years, contrary to the predictive models. Where I work we have a name for predictive models that fail to predict: mistake.

 

[heckler73]

That's a nice shot of a train...it's a pretty good book, too

 

[UncleBuck]

The average global temperature has been stalled for 15 years

remind me when the hottest 10 years on record took place, as well as the hottest decades on record.

 

[BigNBushy]

remind me when the hottest 10 years on record took place, as well as the hottest decades on record.

Geologically speaking, remind us how short that record is.

 

[Letstrip]

I wish us humans wouldnt abuse the planet so much

 

[burgertime2010]

The population is the issue that, if fixed, would allow us to continue here on Earth. The resources to support exponential population growth as well as increased longevity simply aren't there. Clean water, food production, toxicity to oceans are soon to become more than just left wing paranoia. We are reckless to our world, we bet the pot on technology saving us from ourselves and in a limited sense there might be help for some, but I would not want to be a young kid in this time...nothing but suffering lies ahead.