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[burgertime2010]

Some very distant premammalian ancestor of man likely relied upon hermaphroditism in order to continue and therefore passed the trait on.

hermaphrodism and homosexuality are different though, very different. The idea of gay as "hard wired" makes difficult the survival of those genes because of their breeding habits. Hermaphrodism is chromosomal, it is a physical presence of both male and female genetic info. It is closer to a "disorder" and likely to occur in many life forms.

 

[abandonconflict]

Hermaphroditism is clearly an evolutionary boon. I'm suggesting that homosexuality is but one epigenetic expression of the same genetic factor which causes it.

 

[BigNBushy]

I think just letting it exist without turning it into a "less than" or "disorder" type class of people is the only fair way. The brain is so mysterious in so many ways that make us unique, don't get clinical, have respect for the struggle they face instead of adding to it.

I think the debate needs to be framed properly.

I use the terms "disorder" (but never Less than) because its accurate to the circumstances.

If you can find me a more proper term, I would gladly adopt it.

There are three possible reasons; choice, biology, environment.

Choice is the reason most oft trumpeted by homophobes. It is also the least likely for any rational person.

Environment has merit, however, it would have negative consequence for gays wanting to adopt a child. There is also too much evidence out there to show that folks raised around lots of gays have no more chance at being gay than others.

Biology is the only option left. Yet this also seems to piss off gays because if biology makes one gay, it also makes one a pedo or a sheep shagger.

Sexual preference is sexual preference, be it for same sex, opposite sex, animals, children, or inanimate objects. Normal gets to be defined as what the super majority is. As I've said, I've had a cock in my ass, I'm not sure I'm normal, although I feel no attraction towards men, but I have fucked one. Either brain cemetery or anatomy decides preference.

So again, give me a proper term and I will adopt it.

 

[burgertime2010]

I think the debate needs to be framed properly.

I use the terms "disorder" (but never Less than) because its accurate to the circumstances.

If you can find me a more proper term, I would gladly adopt it.

There are three possible reasons; choice, biology, environment.

Choice is the reason most oft trumpeted by homophobes. It is also the least likely for any rational person.

Environment has merit, however, it would have negative consequence for gays wanting to adopt a child. There is also too much evidence out there to show that folks raised around lots of gays have no more chance at being gay than others.

Biology is the only option left. Yet this also seems to piss off gays because if biology makes one gay, it also makes one a pedo or a sheep shagger.

Sexual preference is sexual preference, be it for same sex, opposite sex, animals, children, or inanimate objects. Normal gets to be defined as what the super majority is. As I've said, I've had a cock in my ass, I'm not sure I'm normal, although I feel no attraction towards men, but I have fucked one. Either brain cemetery or anatomy decides preference.

So again, give me a proper term and I will adopt it.

Genius is not a disorder, it is a state of being influenced by biology.

 

[BigNBushy]

Genius is not a disorder, it is a state of being influenced by biology.

I would call Einstein, newton and others that fucking smart not normal, and therefore say that some malformity caused their excess intelligence.

Here is the crux. Some disorders are beneficial. Darwin's theory depended on this assumption. Some are neutral, and some are bad.

 

[burgertime2010]

I would call Einstein, newton and others that fucking smart not normal, and therefore say that some malformity caused their excess intelligence.

Here is the crux. Some disorders are beneficial. Darwin's theory depended on this assumption. Some are neutral, and some are bad.

A disorder has problematic implications especially here. There is a disorder for everyone not normal? I don't buy it, a disorder is a derogatory and unnecessary title.

 

[BigNBushy]

A disorder has problematic implications especially here. There is a disorder for everyone not normal? I don't buy it, a disorder is a derogatory and unnecessary title.

I will give you this, it is a word that in the vernacular certainly has negative connotations. But it can certainly be used properly in describing anything outside the norm, and does not preclude beneficial disorders.

I'll ask again, care to provide me with a better tem?

 

[burgertime2010]

I will give you this, it is a word that in the vernacular certainly has negative connotations. But it can certainly be used properly in describing anything outside the norm, and does not preclude beneficial disorders.

I'll ask again, care to provide me with a better tem?

It is just a matter of sensitivity really and PC terms sound even worse many times. It is a preference, a sexuality and I just see it as a difference. Leave it at that.

 

[BigNBushy]

It is just a matter of sensitivity really and PC terms sound even worse many times. It is a preference, a sexuality and I just see it as a difference. Leave it at that.

You started this line of thought. I understand your position, but you have failed to offer an alternative to the problem you think you have found.

Why beat around the bush.

I tend to agree with you, I just use the term I use because I cannot think of another that comes close to being as precise. Infact I have used multiple words, malformity being one.

I think the connotations with the other terms are worse, as "malformity" has "mal" in it. Obviously it is a word from a romance language. I know in Spanish "mal" means bad. So I try to shy away from that word. Disorder has less negativity in my mind.

So, you got a word, or were you just disagreeing to disagree?

 

[burgertime2010]

You started this line of thought. I understand your position, but you have failed to offer an alternative to the problem you think you have found.

Why beat around the bush.

I tend to agree with you, I just use the term I use because I cannot think of another that comes close to being as precise. Infact I have used multiple words, malformity being one.

I think the connotations with the other terms are worse, as "malformity" has "mal" in it. Obviously it is a word from a romance language. I know in Spanish "mal" means bad. So I try to shy away from that word. Disorder has less negativity in my mind.

So, you got a word, or were you just disagreeing to disagree?

How about homosexual? it's honest, concise, and non offensive.

 

[BigNBushy]

How about homosexual? it's honest, concise, and non offensive.

True, the reason one needs to go further is to advocate for expanded (all the way to equal) rights for homosexuals.

The legislation has decided to not have any balls in most states and have delegated their responsibility to ensure the rights of their constituients to the voter. Far too many people have the "right" to vote, so we have a tyranny of the ignorant in this country.

I have no doubt some states would vote in Jim Crowe if the voters were given a chance. Sexual orientation is not near as a protected of a class as is race, sex, ect...

So the voters decided to keep some of their fellow citizens deprived of equal treatment under the law, because the state legislature dont want to piss off the ignorant.

This is a battle of hearts and minds. And in a battle of hearts and minds things need to be explained. As long as a great manh people believe sexual orientation is a choice, that state won't have marriage equality.

What homosexuals, and their advocates who attack me fail to understand is I am on their side.

You won't win votes by telling the people who are ignorant that they are ignorant. You have to provide them with an argument. That's what I do, not just jerk my knee.

 

[burgertime2010]

I can agree with that. I am not trying to call out, rather just talk through issues that may or may not seem important. We do live in an ignorant place, a lot of the rhetoric seems like it comes from little or no experience in regard to the people affected. The hearts and minds are dug in deep, and usually hostile toward any differing perspective....it is a sad place for the intellect.

 

[cannabineer]

I added no additional context external to the words normal and disorder. You, and or society has placed such connotations on such words.

A disorder, to me, is an occurrence of something less likely to occur. Diabetes is a disorder of the pancreas. Diabetics aren't bad
People, something inside them simply doesn't work the way it should, much like the homosexual. If that makes any homosexuals feel bad, then get the sand out of your vag. I've had a dick in my ass, if that makes you feel any better about my saying it.

I have never said gay men are less than human, or even less than a full man.

As erectile dysfunction might be a physical sexual malformity, homosexuality is a mental sexual malformity.

The brain is very complex. Some are born with downs or other cognitive disabilities. Homosexuality is a sexual disability centered in the brain.

The only other options are choice, which is incorrect on it's face.

And environment, with almost all homosexuals argue against.

I guess there is one more assumption, and that would be that homosexuality does not exist, but we all know that to be false.

To me the bolded is the triumph of the tyranny of the Normal.

Genius is not a disorder, it is a state of being influenced by biology.

A consequence of the tyranny of the Normal (as showcased by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manuals) is that outliers are deemed Not Normal and outside the proper service area. Genius is now getting the same treatment: "fix it!" I have heard case studies supporting what i say. By disenfranchising the outliers and defining them as pathology, we are stalling Evolution in its tracks.

 

[UncleBuck]

...homosexuality is a mental sexual malformity.

The brain is very complex. Some are born with downs or other cognitive disabilities. Homosexuality is a sexual disability centered in the brain.

my lesbian friends sure don't seem disabled, and i'll wager you a week worth of your subway wages that you can not point to trisomy 21's equivalent for homosexuality instead of down's.

being gay is as much of a malformity, disorder, or disability as having green eyes or being left handed, kiddo.

you simply don't know what words mean, and you are a disgusting, bigoted sack of [last edited by cannabineer; 5:35 pm].

 

[cannabineer]

my lesbian friends sure don't seem disabled, and i'll wager you a week worth of your subway wages that you can not point to trisomy 21's equivalent for homosexuality instead of down's.

being gay is as much of a malformity, disorder, or disability as having green eyes or being left handed, kiddo.

you simply don't know what words mean, and you are a disgusting, bigoted sack of [last edited by cannabineer; 5:35 pm].

will you just look at that

 

[see4]

will you just look at that

I will cut you. Cut you so very deep. But I will do it with love.

 

[BigNBushy]

my lesbian friends sure don't seem disabled, and i'll wager you a week worth of your subway wages that you can not point to trisomy 21's equivalent for homosexuality instead of down's.

being gay is as much of a malformity, disorder, or disability as having green eyes or being left handed, kiddo.

you simply don't know what words mean, and you are a disgusting, bigoted sack of [last edited by cannabineer; 5:35
pm].

I would argue that being left handed is almost a disability. Ever talk to the left handed kids at school, a school designed for right handed kids.

But I never used the word disability. Left handedness is a malformity, as the vast majority are right handed.

But just like being gay, being left handed is not an implication of being less than. And just like being gay, the reason for being left handed is located within the physical/chemical makeup of the individuals brain.

What pisses you off more, me bieng a ex-junky that has achieved more succus in life than you, or the fact that you always fail when you try to make a point countering mine (which means I'm quite a bit smarter than you.) because you really do make some bad points, even when you put words in my mouth, they still favor me in someway if they have any impact at all.

Does your wife know what a failure she married?

 

[see4]

I would argue that being left handed is almost a disability. Ever talk to the left handed kids at school, a school designed for right handed kids.

But I never used the word disability. Left handedness is a malformity, as the vast majority are right handed.

But just like being gay, being left handed is not an implication of being less than. And just like being gay, the reason for being left handed is located within the physical/chemical makeup of the individuals brain.

What pisses you off more, me bieng a ex-junky that has achieved more succus in life than you, or the fact that you always fail when you try to make a point countering mine (which means I'm quite a bit smarter than you.) because you really do make some bad points, even when you put words in my mouth, they still favor me in someway if they have any impact at all.

Does your wife know what a failure she married?

Your position is that being left handed is a malformation?

[video=youtube;5hfYJsQAhl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/video]

You are dumber than I thought.

 

[joe macclennan]

I would argue that being left handed is almost a disability. Ever talk to the left handed kids at school, a school designed for right handed kids.

But I never used the word disability. Left handedness is a malformity, as the vast majority are right handed.
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you are retarded

Famous Left-Handers [SUP]c[/SUP]

Tom Cruise	Leonardo da Vinci	Albert Einstein
Benjamin Franklin	Whoopi Goldberg	Cary Grant
Paul McCartney	Michelangelo	Martina Navratilova
Julia Roberts	Oprah Winfrey	Babe Ruth
Fidel Castro	Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin	Lord Baden-Powell
Henry Ford	Helen Keller	Jay Leno
Bart Simpson	Dan Ackroyd	Tim Allen
Charlie Chaplin	Robert DeNiro	Marilyn Monroe
Jerry Seinfeld	Lewis Carroll	Mark Twain
H.G. Wells	Celine Dion	Jimi Hendrix
Paul Simon	Oliver North	Yogi Berra
“Shoeless” Joe Jackson	Steve Young	Larry Bird
Alexander the Great	Julius Caesar	Marie Curie
Thomas Jefferson	Colin Powell	Gandhi
Charlemagne	Horatio Nelson	Ramses II
Billy the Kid (debated)	John Dillinger	Bob Dylan
David Letterman	Mozart	Prokofiev
Rachmaninoff	Beethoven	Ravel
Schumann	Paganini	Goethe
Aristotle	Nietzsche	Kafka
Hans Christian Anderson	Fred Astaire	Richard Simmons
Greta Garbo	Judy Garland	Drew Barrymore
Sylvester Stallone	Dick Van Dyke	Robert Redford
Brad Pitt	Angelina Jolie	John McEnroe
O.J. Simpson	Dorothy Hamill	Henry Ford
Bill Gates	John D Rockefeller	Albert Schweitzer

 

[BigNBushy]

Pointing out a list of successful people who were left handed is great. Because at no point did i ever say that being left handed (or gay) were a barrier to succus. Just as capable as anyone else, the only difference is something about their brain makes one of their functions different.

Yu lefties are the most obstinate group of people on the planet.