Cool I looked at MrFlux's thread. However I lost interest because I got annoyed with the langauge and insults by page 3. Hey we need to talk about these WW LEDs more. I've been using the binned XT-E I mentioned on aquarium aquatic plants, in combination with CW. Aquarium plants have slightly different constraints than growing flowering plants... mainly because its important for plants to out-compete algae. I'd be interested in looking up the bins and perhaps trying the Bridgelux WW. I'm sold on WW but I don't know what ratio of Deep Red would be helpful. The reefLEDlights guy, Bill, read your DIY LED 220w thread and were quite impressed because by scrutinizing the histograms and luminous flux you had come up with pretty much the same theories of its usefulness as we were considering. Still, I'd like to talk about ratios of RB, WW, R, and DR for flowering. Is red really a necessary accessory when you have so much 630nm output in the WW?