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i understand where you are comming from bro...but you can't look at a plant and see phytochrome or the chemical changes that occur when you change the photo period.......but trust me they happen as soon as the plant sees 12 or more hours of darkness it's fact............also I can see signs of...

yes but we are talking about when you start the count so you know when your buds are ripe...the count begins at 12/12 and ends at when the trichomes tell you it's ripe......at least this is how us oregon peeps do it, in the OMMP, growin medical grade cannabis...what would we know...no good...

i have done it try like maybe days to 2 weeks depending on how early you throw it in..i've vegged for 2.5 weeks started 12/12 and harvested within days of on time.......roughly the same means about the same close but not quite....if it was't even close they would say your flowering time will be...

is a post count the same as experience.........i think not.......what about a PHD in botany....Robert Connell Clark..has one...he has a good book...it's called marijuana botany...talks all about flowering and when it begins...great read....:blsmoke:

he won't harvest early.....even in the greg green info that you posted it says that regardless of early 12/12 they will finish roughly the same time as if you wait for pre-flowers.... quote from your greg green post: "Early-induced flowering* isn't the same thing as forcing your plants to...

wow...guess you have not taken horticulture......

first off..I have this book and I've read it......want me to show you some of the misprints and problems with his book...have you seen the part about light spectrum's?...yeah his book sucked..........

no....i've put plants into flowering before pre-flowers show, many times...i'm just saying...12/12 triggers the flowering process..it begins it...that's why a plant thrown into 12/12 with or without pre-flowers will finish at roughly the same time.........the one with pre-flowers is more mature...

uhh...that's not what my jorge book says..... it says always wait to induce flowering until after preflowers appear, iducing flowering with 12/12 before pre-flowers develop will stress the plant.......he also says flowerng a plant before pre-flowers show will not speed flowering but that...

no any plant is not in flowering when it shows hairs...i have plants in veg right now with hairs all over them...they are in veg..they will be in veg another 2 weeks...they will be flowering when i put them in 12/12....I'll move them from the veg room to the bloom room...it's simple.... I can't...

jeez all the name calling......you want the proof...read the indoor bible by Jorge Cervantes....pre-flowers are a sign of maturity it doesn't mean the plant's in the flowering cycle until you switch to 12/12....this activates the phytocrome...know you can't see the changes right away even if...

you don't even know what phytochrome is...have you ever heard of auxin?...babe:peace:

this is what I'm talking about right here...pre-flowers don't happen in 12/12..they happen in veg...and you should not be putting immature plant's into 12/12...pre-flowers are a sign of maturity not a sign that flowering has started...they while show in 24 hours of light during veg......

no that's your opinion.......and if noobs want accurate info they should read up on phytochrome....it's in most good grow books...and for that matter read good text on cannabis horticulture..and botany......light cycles are not just light cycles they effect the plant...we put plants into a bloom...

Phytochrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia jeez.....now attacking........

i do grow from clones and seeds....growing from seeds you get pre-flowers too........you are the one who said it means they are flowering in your ealier post dude...you said that's why they call it flowering.....remember....:blsmoke:

so are you saying phytochrome does not exist?

dude I've been growing a long time I am experienced...what I'm saying is not BS....when you put your plants into flowering they should already have pistils on them from when they were vegging or you are flowering them to soon...you should read a good grow book from a good author...

so when you see pre-flowers in veg you start your count weird,,,,,,,guess you are entitled to your opinion too...never heard of anyone doing this though.......crazy so from now on as soon as you see a pistil, even 3 weeks into veg in your veg room.....you should start your count...if you plant...

of course i don't think your lying.....are you the only one aloud to have an opinion on flowering?...I've read all the grow books too, and also taken classes in botany and horticulture...am I just supposed to agree with you?I don't get an opinion? a 5 day old plant is a seedling and would be...