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I guess it's me than. Keeping temps between 75° and 85° F. Humidity centered at around 50%. Just cannot get anything past a month of vegative before problems set in. I have not given up, I am just getting tired of constant fail. As for the quality of the panels, maybe you got something...

Don't know anything about any hydro shop guy. I am speaking first hand experience. LED has been nothing but trouble for me.

Forget about LEDs and stay with HID. It's a nifty thing to tinker with but cannot match the performance of HID lighting. Maybe someday, but not at present. Now, an HID/LED hybrid system is something to consider. If you have the space, LED for 100% of photoperiod with the HID running for an hour...

Would be nice to see a Blackdog tested as well as the latest growevolution model. Really tired of all the a51 and apache fan boys here. A true side by side could either prove them right or enlighten them.

You should provide a bit more information if you are looking for advice. If you want answers let people know the following... How long have you been in posession of the clones?, Were they healthy when you aquired them?, Did you transplant or are they in media they came in?, Have you applied any...

Definitely had the new tent smell. Seems to be slowly going away as time passes. No real noticeable difference when hot. Something is wrong for sure though.

This is happening to me, but with a secret jardin dr120. ????? Unless it is a bootleg secret jardin, hmmmmm.

Too bad all the nightmarecreature pics have been deleted from the early pages of this thread. Could have possibly been a great thread for those of us trying to diagnose strange issues. Why do people do this?

Condition worsening. Only seeing these symptoms on the Grape puff strain. Leaf margins now becoming necrotic. New growth seems healthy.

Yeah damn cool, check out johnnychronicseed's thread...https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/747251-method-7-led-glasses-black.html

Just saw on Blackdog's site not only are the panels on sale but they are throwing in a pair of the specs as a promotion. Just my luck as I have recently purchased a Blackdog and a pair of the glasses seperately. Oh well.:shock:

Between waterings let your pots get so dry they feel like they are full of air(using soiless mix as you are). Don't be afraid to let the plants begin to wilt a little every now and again. Be sure to transplant to larger container when roots become bound during your vegative phase. Picture in...

:clap: Yes, relax is a good idea, thanks. I just gave one a nice drink of fish emulsion and the other a nice drink of plain water. Now to see if anything varies in a day or so.

How are your temperatures? Also the looks of your soil surface tells me too much moisture. Bring temps up to high 70's and keep humidity low and let growing medium dry out before watering again. Just my opinion.

Hello folks, seems we are all on the same path. I was thinking either a cal/mag def or lack of nitrogen. But was also concerned about possible light burn/bleaching or even lock-out from overfeeding(which I really don't think I overfed). They are growing rapidly at this time so I am leaning...

Beginning to notice troublesome signs. Not seeing that lush waxy healthy green I'd like. Gage Green Grape Puff Veging for a month, 340 true watts LED @ 18". Botanicare pro-grow formula/ botanicare liquid karma. Don't know if lights too close or if overfertilized or underfertilized. Appreciate...

Hi. For what it's worth your thread here peaked my interest in this breeder. I have decided to give karamello a whirl. Honestly, if I did not come across this thread I probably would have never tried them. So, thanks for the heads up and I hope I end up happy when I run the strain.

Please let us know if everything came through ok. Really seemed like a long wait. Here's hoping you are correct and it was just laziness/slow processing. :eyesmoke:

Tried to contact these people a month or so ago. They never replied to my email.

Nice work lukio. You did this with nothing but LEDs for light source? Product looks very appealing. You are talented grower, congrats.