cannaman2.5
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I wouldn't use anything smaller than a 1000 watter.
1000 hps vs. 2x 400 hps?
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laserbrn
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This is going to be my new philosophy.
9inch bigbud
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thats a good one to use
fuck all grows bud like a 1000w. not even 2x600w side by side. I dont give a fuck what people tell you iv seen it every grow i do the 1000w beats the 2x600s9inch bigbud
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my 600s room puts down 66.5watts per square foot my 1000w room puts down 62.5 watts per square foot yet the 1000w grows more bud?? strange that why do you think that is??
randk21
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Light intensity from one source, no spacing. Strain?? I would guess and say there is no way to replicate one grow vs another 100% to a T and base yield results simply in a change in lights being used. Just a guess tho..
randk21
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I think I'm sold.. 2 600 watters would cost me around 900 vs just 1 1000 for 550.. I came across one jornal on here where a guy was doing a stadium grow with 3 600's, no reflectors, looked pretty nice but I keep hearing about the density and penetration of the 1000.. My only concern is the closeness of lamp to canopy. I'd like to be safe but then again I guess you can't learn without trying. any typical signs of when ur lamp is too close to canopy??thats a good one to use
laserbrn
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Yeah, it gets too hot. The cost of the two lights was part of my problem with it too. I don't want to spend $900 on lights. Just get an air cooled hood and your lights should be fine.
9inch bigbud
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stick it in a cool tube and you can get a 1000w to around 12" above the tops thats 140000 lumans above the canopy that will penotrate the canopy 3foot down and you will have good buds on the very bottom.
randk21
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I've got a local rep outta BC Canada offering this unit. Looks good I suppose. Comes with hangers/pulleys/24 timer/hood/2 bulbs (MH HPS) digi balast -- $550 CAN no tax
what do yea think? am I better off with one of those online discount stores - risk of mailing to an address+ S&H+++??
also.. never dealt with a cool tube - just a low cfm centrigulfal fan be ok? There usually around 250 I'd say.. Just not sure how they work? Should i run outdoor air through to cool it, or run indoor air through it and vent it outdoors??
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I can't speak from experience like 9inch bigbud, but it seems to me that 2x 600 would put off more heat in a 4x4 area
than a single 1000w. I agree with the part about penetration, I've read alot about light intensity and penetration, so
it would only make sense that a 1000w would yield more in the same space.
I just don't want to contend with the heat, and the fact that a 1000w eats up about 9 or 10 amps. that's pretty close
to the max amps on the average household 120v circuit, and doesn't leave much room for other equipment. For now,
I think I'm going to go with the 600 and see what I come up with. If I ever go bigger I might consider a couple of 1000w.
Besides that, most buds in Amsterdam are grown under 600w lamps. Just look up some videos on YouTube. You'll see
that they get buds so big they have to stake them up or they'll fall over, and that's with 600w lamps. And believe me,
that shit will get you just as high as anything grow under 1000w lamps. That Super Silver Haze had me walkin around
in circles looking for my hotel room. It took me a while to realize my hotel room was just down the street.
than a single 1000w. I agree with the part about penetration, I've read alot about light intensity and penetration, so
it would only make sense that a 1000w would yield more in the same space.
I just don't want to contend with the heat, and the fact that a 1000w eats up about 9 or 10 amps. that's pretty close
to the max amps on the average household 120v circuit, and doesn't leave much room for other equipment. For now,
I think I'm going to go with the 600 and see what I come up with. If I ever go bigger I might consider a couple of 1000w.
Besides that, most buds in Amsterdam are grown under 600w lamps. Just look up some videos on YouTube. You'll see
that they get buds so big they have to stake them up or they'll fall over, and that's with 600w lamps. And believe me,
that shit will get you just as high as anything grow under 1000w lamps. That Super Silver Haze had me walkin around
in circles looking for my hotel room. It took me a while to realize my hotel room was just down the street.
randk21
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HAHHA, Had my 1st experience in Amsterdam at 16, pops was into it and thought why not. Funny story about hotels was when we stayed in a non smoking room equipped with an alarm. We got a little carried away and about 2am the whole place was ringing from the alarm. Oh well.. we stayed for 2 weeks and they were charging $1 for a 150ml can of coke looked like a min can or something? all in all, they made some good coin from our stay!
9inch bigbud
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its the penotration from the 1000w that does it put that light in a smaller space with mylar on the walls and grow more bud under the canopy than you will grow in a bigger area. i.e a room 5x5 will grow buds all over that area put that bulb in a 4x4 area with mylar reflcting that light deep down in to the canopy will grow more bud than the 5x5 room the 5x5 room will have smaller buds than under the 4x4 room and it will not have as much bud under the canopy thats what i have witnessed from changing different size rooms 600s in 3x3 and 1000 in 4x4 rooms grow more bud than if the rooms were bigger i.e a 600w will grow more bud in a 3x3 room than it would grow under a 4x4 room the area under the canopy is grater than the area of the extra 1 square foot space above the canopy.Light intensity from one source, no spacing. Strain?? I would guess and say there is no way to replicate one grow vs another 100% to a T and base yield results simply in a change in lights being used. Just a guess tho..
randk21
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Thats just what I thought it was as well? This is what I emailed:
[FONT="]1000watt electronic ballast: Cool & Silent operation, internal fan cooling, fused & overload breakers,dead short protection,
soft start operation, 120v or 240v switchable, [/FONT][FONT="]HPS[/FONT][FONT="] or METAL HALIDE switchable sensor,
- Cooltube:6" DIAMETER ,3MM PYREX THICKNESS LAB GRADE HIGH SILICA GLASS that runs air across the bulb to cool the bulb and keep heat away from your plants , INTEGRATED CERAMIC MOGUL SOCKET
-[/FONT][FONT="]ALL[/FONT][FONT="] aluminum reflector (POWER COATED)with 98% high reflective inserts
-2 bulbs, vegetative spectrum MH (metal halide) and [/FONT][FONT="]HPS[/FONT][FONT="] (high pressure sodium) blooming flower spectrum
-coil-up YOYO hangers : to raise and lower the light reflector FAST & EASILY ON THE FLY
-15ft removable cables
-24 setting timer 15amp 1875watt
-accessories and hardware [/FONT]
thing is I just wanna use it for budding so not sure if i need the MH bulb - are all digital ballasts switchable or is there a lesser priced version thats still digital but just for budding? Just trying to save where I can.
attached a link to what I am checking out. If you get anything tell em I sent yea!
http://kitchener.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-home-garden-ELECTRONIC-HYDROPONICS-GROW-LIGHT-600WATT-HPS-MH-W-6-COOLTUBE-W0QQAdIdZ83446490
I'm pretty sure all digital ballasts will operate either bulb. I would want to know what brand of
ballast. It also doesn't say anything about who made the reflector hood. It looks pretty good though.
You won't need the MH for flower but you can keep it and use it later for veg.
I don't know, I'd ask for a lower price or look on a website to compare.
ballast. It also doesn't say anything about who made the reflector hood. It looks pretty good though.
You won't need the MH for flower but you can keep it and use it later for veg.
I don't know, I'd ask for a lower price or look on a website to compare.
BCtrippin
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BINGO!!!!Light intensity from one source, no spacing. Strain?? I would guess and say there is no way to replicate one grow vs another 100% to a T and base yield results simply in a change in lights being used. Just a guess tho..
Absolutely Correct. Everyone makes claims that "I grew it tho, Look, I did it!"
But that doesnt mean Anything. Replicating a grow 100% is damn near impossible unless your running the same strain long term in a set up that doesnt change.
The fact is, some grows will turn out better then others. I wouldn't say thats enough reason to offer advice to someone based strictly on your results.
Theres SOOO many factors Other than lighting. IMO lighting is like 4 or 5 on the list of priorities for growing.
#1 is Environment!!!! It doenst matter how much light you try to blast on your plants if you dont have enough airflow to match photosynthesis. Higher c02 levels means your plants can process more light.
#2 ENVIRONMENT AGAIN!!!!! I dont care what anyone says, Everyone overlooks environment. C02, Temp, Humidity, Airflow!!!
#3 Genetics. If you dont have good genetics then it doesnt matter how much light, c02, nutes, whatever, it doesnt matter what you use if you dont have solid genetics.
#4 NUTRIENTS!!!!! A proper diet is KEY for good growth. Not just NPK but the 14 other trace elements that your Chronic needs!
And finally.... #5 Lighting. If you have Everything else the way you want it, then start adding more light.
So I am looking at budding only 4 plants at a time in in a 4.5 x 4.5 x 6.5 ft grow room. The ages of the plants will be 2 - 3 weeks apart, ie: 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 6 weeks, and 8 weeks into budding stage.
Would I be better off with 2 x 600 hanging vertically down the center like at the 2.5 and 5.5 foot marks or just having one 1000w up at the top?
I want to maximize the yield from the 4 plants of course, and harvest one plant every 2-3 weeks.
The reason for having just 4 plants in the bud room is so that i can stay withing my '6 mature plants' limit, with a couple of mothers.
and yeah, i am a n00b...
thanks,
OldeSkule
Would I be better off with 2 x 600 hanging vertically down the center like at the 2.5 and 5.5 foot marks or just having one 1000w up at the top?
I want to maximize the yield from the 4 plants of course, and harvest one plant every 2-3 weeks.
The reason for having just 4 plants in the bud room is so that i can stay withing my '6 mature plants' limit, with a couple of mothers.
and yeah, i am a n00b...
thanks,
OldeSkule
9inch bigbud
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what else are you going to go by? i grew it but have no pics to prove it?BINGO!!!!
Absolutely Correct. Everyone makes claims that "I grew it tho, Look, I did it!"
But that doesnt mean Anything. Replicating a grow 100% is damn near impossible unless your running the same strain long term in a set up that doesnt change.
The fact is, some grows will turn out better then others. I wouldn't say thats enough reason to offer advice to someone based strictly on your results.
Theres SOOO many factors Other than lighting. IMO lighting is like 4 or 5 on the list of priorities for growing.
#1 is Environment!!!! It doenst matter how much light you try to blast on your plants if you dont have enough airflow to match photosynthesis. Higher c02 levels means your plants can process more light.
#2 ENVIRONMENT AGAIN!!!!! I dont care what anyone says, Everyone overlooks environment. C02, Temp, Humidity, Airflow!!!
#3 Genetics. If you dont have good genetics then it doesnt matter how much light, c02, nutes, whatever, it doesnt matter what you use if you dont have solid genetics.
#4 NUTRIENTS!!!!! A proper diet is KEY for good growth. Not just NPK but the 14 other trace elements that your Chronic needs!
And finally.... #5 Lighting. If you have Everything else the way you want it, then start adding more light.
again time after time i grow under 600s and 1000s are you calling me a shit grower?? LOL ill out yeild you growing in a shoe box.
read my signature
"Some people think of nutrients as plant food, nutrients are not plant food they only help the plant grow. The real food you give a plant is LIGHT!"
you can add all the shit you like to the soil all the Co2 you like to the air nothing will grow without light! adding Co2 is a wast of money unless you have a perfect enviroment to begin with!
iv used Co2 and grown without adding it i still have my Co2 generator and dont use it any more. i get better results with exchanging the air more often than wasting my time trying to keep the grow room cooler.
time after time the 1000w yeilds more than 2x600s not just 1 grow all my grows! as i have said i dont give a fuck what anyone says iv used them both and know what is the best.
LOL no when you have all the light then start adding the rest of the shit! plants can not grow without light! they can grow without you pumping them full of nutes and adding Co2 to the air you can give it all the water you like, but take away the light and it will not grow.
laserbrn
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I think I would rather take the advice of someone who runs both setups all of the time than someone who is just speculating.
There's a lot of dumb shit on this forum about PAR and LUX and lumens and about whether or not light is additive, blah blah blah, but when it comes down to it, grams/watt is what matters and what this guy is saying sounds like he pulls more grams/watt of denser fatter nugz from his 1000w than he does from his 2x 600w EVERY time. That to me is more heavily weighted in an argument than a bunch of speculation.
bicycle racer
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600 watt is the best most lumens per watt of any hid systems.