'11's Waste of Time Grows

Corso312 said:

@ dbkick...too bad because your plants look great and real healthy...maybe some chemical left over in the sprayer? bleach?...i always thought algae would not be able to grow in a dry sunny enviroment.

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it was an atomist and I really didn't use much in it other than a little purespray green and wet betty which is organic. But I do remember spraying aquashield one time with it and that was possibly the killer.

Ok lets see...Got a bag of beans from a friend. They were 10 in a sensi pack(opened) labeled Cali Indica. All 10 germinated.....
Here is the run down......
1. not all the same beans
2. Not even an indica...lol
3. 2 died right off
4. 3 males out of the 8 left
5. 3 hermies out of the 5 left

My friend that hooked me up with the beans was my bummer of the year...lol
Can't say it was a waste though since I am starting the year with both females big in flower....

Enzogrowspot said:

Ok lets see...Got a bag of beans from a friend. They were 10 in a sensi pack(opened) labeled Cali Indica. All 10 germinated.....
Here is the run down......
1. not all the same beans
2. Not even an indica...lol
3. 2 died right off
4. 3 males out of the 8 left
5. 3 hermies out of the 5 left

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I've read on other forums where people have been reporting Hazes coming out of Indica packs from Sensi. Apparently they've subbed out a lot of their work which has left very little in the way of control on every level.

2011 Disappointments: G13 Labs Pineapple Express, Greenhouse Himalayan Gold and Dutch Passions Orange Bud.

The Pineapple Express was nice and bushy good yield but mediocre potency. I know alot of people like this. Maybe I just didn't get a good pheno.

Himalayan was lanky with wispy buds potency was about a 3 on a 1 - 10 scale.

Orange Bud was a stretcher big time, yield was low based on the size of the plant, potency was about a 4.

2011 Pleasant Surprises: Pyramid Seeds Anesthesia and Osiris

Anesthesia (Northern Lights x Black Domina), Medium size plant, clones well, low leaf ratio, heavy dense large buds and pure fire. Easy to trim. A 9+ on the potency scale (leans towards a body buzz). If you don't have your humidity under control it will mold. A 24 inch plant yields about 3 ounces.

Osiris (White Widow x AK47), Small to Medium plant, clones well, very frosty medium density buds. Another easy one to trim. Also a good solid 9 on the potency (more head buzz than Anesthesia). When finished the stems are almost completely covered with bud. An 16 - 18 inch plant yields about 1.5 ounces or so.

i like g13 pineapple express..huge yeilder and easy to clone..lot of bag appeal and very stinky..agree the smoke is mediocre...although i thought that was how it was advertised

My biggest time waster of 2011 was White Label seeds Rhino (aka White Rhino).
It stalled out during flowering, never reaching full maturation.
Honorable mention, Green House Seeds AMS (I didn't buy it, got it as a freebie).
It just went tits up after about a month of veg, no rhyme of reason, everything else in the tent was nice and healthy.

Enzogrowspot said:

Ok lets see...Got a bag of beans from a friend. They were 10 in a sensi pack(opened) labeled Cali Indica. All 10 germinated.....
Here is the run down......
1. not all the same beans
2. Not even an indica...lol
3. 2 died right off
4. 3 males out of the 8 left
5. 3 hermies out of the 5 left

My friend that hooked me up with the beans was my bummer of the year...lol
Can't say it was a waste though since I am starting the year with both females big in flower....

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i think this may be the biggest kick in the teeth posted as of yet that sucks

I wonder how many people are claiming strains/seedbanks are a waste of time when in reality it was 100% grower error that fucked the whole thing up...

This thread isn't to be taken seriously to be honest, you can't seperate the noobs from the competent growers so why listen to their opinions on something like the reputation of a strain/bank?

If you for example plant 10 fem seeds and get 8 males you're doing something wrong IMO.

Harrekin said:

I wonder how many people are claiming strains/seedbanks are a waste of time when in reality it was 100% grower error that fucked the whole thing up...

This thread isn't to be taken seriously to be honest, you can't seperate the noobs from the competent growers so why listen to their opinions on something like the reputation of a strain/bank?

If you for example plant 10 fem seeds and get 8 males you're doing something wrong IMO.

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That can be true to an extent. But some of us have multiple strains going at once ALL under the same conditions and NOT all of them grow the same. Some seeds/strains/banks do suck and so do some growers. Good, strong strains will perform well even if the grower dont know what theyre doing.

Harrekin said:

I wonder how many people are claiming strains/seedbanks are a waste of time when in reality it was 100% grower error that fucked the whole thing up...

This thread isn't to be taken seriously to be honest, you can't seperate the noobs from the competent growers so why listen to their opinions on something like the reputation of a strain/bank?

If you for example plant 10 fem seeds and get 8 males you're doing something wrong IMO.

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This thread was started for the purpose of people airing their tough grow ,screw ups and general displeasure of a bad grow .People are free to take from it what they will.If they take from this thread an undeserved opinion of a strain or bank thats for them to decide .As alot of people who have posted in this thread have readily admitted grower error your comment on the validity of the post is redundent and pointless.And to suggest that any info on the web is rock solid is foolhardy at best so thanks for nothing mr obvious.Ill leave you to poke your nose somewhere else its not wanted .

if you get 8males from 10fem. the breeder is doing something wrong....

@harrekin: you sounds like swerve my friend.....

i agree some new growers have a hand in the fuck ups..i know i did 5 years ago..but i am way past those days an most people are also...but the bigger problem is the seed banks and false advertising..see they know they are not going to hear many complaints because a plant yielded 2 ounces instead of 5 or takes 11 weeks to finish instead of 9..most banks are inconsistent ...they rush to push new strains through and exaggerate the potency or yield or finish time to make more money.

Corso312 said:

i agree some new growers have a hand in the fuck ups..i know i did 5 years ago..but i am way past those days an most people are also...but the bigger problem is the seed banks and false advertising..see they know they are not going to hear many complaints because a plant yielded 2 ounces instead of 5 or takes 11 weeks to finish instead of 9..most banks are inconsistent ...they rush to push new strains through and exaggerate the potency or yield or finish time to make more money.

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i find that most breeders have the information on their websites. any GOOD breeder will.

I was very disappointed with Dutch Passion Durban Poison. What didn't hermie was horrible to smoke. And the rest of my garden was gold. How do you get 8 males out of a 10 pack of feminized seeds? Scratching head

Harrekin said:

I wonder how many people are claiming strains/seedbanks are a waste of time when in reality it was 100% grower error that fucked the whole thing up...

This thread isn't to be taken seriously to be honest, you can't seperate the noobs from the competent growers so why listen to their opinions on something like the reputation of a strain/bank?

If you for example plant 10 fem seeds and get 8 males you're doing something wrong IMO.

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To the contrary, I'd take individual reports by experienced growers actually growing seeds more seriously than ad copy by seed-sellers.

I'd also argue that if you planted 10 so-called fem seeds but got 8 males, you're not the one whose done anything wrong!

I don't think anyone in this thread has claimed that any particular seedbank was a waste of time; people have said that individual strains/seeds were disappointing.

I do agree grower error is probably at fault for some of these bad outcomes, but when you're experienced with lots of different strains, and if you're growing out multiple strains at the same time under the same setup, and some do well, while others consistently tank, the seeds/strains probably are likely responsible to some extent.

Lets face it, lots of commercial seeds aren't what they're cracked up to be.

In some cases, the seeds themselves are weak (low germination) or even not as labelled. Yes, I absolutely do believe that in some cases seed-sellers effectively put "random" seeds in a given pack.

There are also a lot of problematic "strains" out there.

In many cases, the strain itself bears little resemblance to the ad copy or reputation, and I think this is where people get the most disappointed.

Some strains are hermie-prone; this is known. In some cases, the strain itself might be OK, but lets face it, if you have to pick through 5 or 10 plants to find one really good one, then you're not really dealing with a "strain" in the strict sense of the term. By definition, individual members of a plant "strain" should exhibit similar characteristics. An F2-F4 "mutt" generation may well contain excellent individual plants, but until or unless stablized, these things aren't really "strains".

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

i find that most breeders have the information on their websites. any GOOD breeder will.

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This is true, though I think its almost a given that most of the the listed flowering times are short, and the yields are exaggerated.

Unfortunately, that's the industry "standard".

The better breeders still do it, they're just a little more honest in their lies, eg: Flowering time of 7-9 weeks (when they really mean 9) and yields "up to 500 g" (meaning if you execute a perfect SCROG under perfect lighting, with perfect nutes, and harvest exactly during a full moon).

With no oversight, no enforcement, and virtually no way for a prospective buyer to corroborate seed-seller claims, there is no mechanism to compel seed sellers to be honest. In that kind of climate, being honest is probably a business handicap!

OKay, I have been called a weed snob..(not that I think so).. my list only consists of stuff bought from attitude that just was not up to par... by any standard

dutch passion - BlueMoonShine
absolute worse pack of 5 ever grown! Pile of hermi lanky garbage smells like the color BLUE and yield is far below poor. taste... out of five fem seeds and $72 I didn't even get to taste the shit.... everything was cut down be4 week 3 even set in all hermied...in fact out of a pack of 5 Female seeds I actually got no females.
Winner out of that particular harvest was a fucking free seed of bubblegummer... sigh

freeseed promo
Dutch passion orange bud and blueberry SUCK ASS!!! (blueberry)great big buds of non-tricome goodness. smells like wet dog..?!? Orange bud is not far behind in the smell category but, was just silly in the yield department... Beyond pitiful



Green House Seeds Trainwreck
Smells like outside?!? right after it rained for 24hr... or mossy if you ?? IDK I like SKUNK,FRUITY,FUNKY...what ever the smells that smack you in your frontal lobe are... YOu know? the Smells that just tell you this is gonna be FIRE!! ...and moss is most certainly fucking not it!
trainwreck




That being said almost all the free gear I got from Pyramid seeds is looking like good stuff..so far

Osiris week 4ish... more like day 31

Fine believe what you want guys, but a bad workman always blames his tools...

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:

i find that most breeders have the information on their websites. any GOOD breeder will.

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yeah i agree..the problem is the info is bullshit and hugely exaggerate

GREAT THREAD!!! I'm noticing some patterns here ... Green House, Dutch Passion, RP... having said that here's my list

Reserva Privada- Cole Train ( easy to grow, lacked EVERYTHING else)

Medical Seeds Co. - HammerHead (WR X Medicine Man) .... Amazing smoke, but buds were far too airy and the yield wasn't worth the time. AMAZING SMOKE THOUGH... I wouldn't trust what this company states about their prodcut however...
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GHS- Lemon Skunk ( never finished it, 4 out of 5 succumbed to fungus gnats while other strains prevailed.)

THseeds- S.A.G.E ( very nute sensitive ...didn't even bother to flower this sickly bean) Buku ( beautiful strain, but EXTREMELY stretchy and difficult to manage)

DNA- L.A. Woman ( not a mold resistant plant)

Dinafem- Auto Haze ( 70 days for 14 grams?)

These are just my opinions on why the were a waste of time for me .. most of my list never got to flowering point because of the difficulties with space, light, some personal error.
But as anyone who knows who grow from seed frequently ... you can tell when a genetic will be worth the