12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Very cool! I'm all ears so anything you'd like to share is welcome!

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Things that can be greatly improved (IMO).

1) Too much light not delivered to the plant material. In that half octagon and bare bulb----wasted light.

Think of it this way-----if your tubes and light were rotated 90 degrees so the tubes were on the floor (plants facing up) what would you have.

2) Static, fixed spacing for tubes and plants----not a lot of flexibility. I decided to suspend my tubes from a 10' box rail and rollers so I could slide the tubes sideway and adjust vertically.

3)Trellis-----in that design of yours, you already have a way to attach between the risers.

4) Unless you like dealing with medium-----get rid of it and run medium less and add plant support to the tubes.

I think you need a little veg time to reach the "sweet spot" (about 1' or 2' tall) for yield production relative to time.
That's just my gut opinion (nothing to support it).

Hope my comments were taken in the spirit intended .

A~~~

Great info!

I have seen vertical where they use a reflector to light a half circle.

Mohican said:

Great info!

I have seen vertical where they use a reflector to light a half circle.

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Yes, that's kinda what I was getting at. If your space is limited horizontally but have adequate vertical height (7' or higher ) straingt tubes at different heights, light in reflector turned toward the plants and on a light rail mover. In effect or affect? conventional flat horizontal canopy rotated 90 degrees---very easily done with hanging tubes.

A~~~

Chapter 3 Update
Day 38
Flowering Day 5

And the jungle wall begins! Looking good Hot Diggity! If they get too crowded you could move some to your top row.

hayrolld said:

And the jungle wall begins! Looking good Hot Diggity! If they get too crowded you could move some to your top row.

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Ya know...that would be a great idea. Problem is there no moving them anymore. I was able to take one of the smaller ones out a few days ago. It was rough with the roots being tangled bit i was able to get it out. Roots were over 4 feet long and this was one of the smaller ones who entered the octagon later. The larger ones simply cannot be removed. Lifting a net pot out just an inch feels like youre fishing and have a big one hooked...lots of resistence and you can feel the drag.

It will be all good brother. I thought you might be able to move some since it was not long ago the roots were not reaching down far enough on all of them. I am kind of surprised the chronic thunder is the smallest of the bunch. Is that not a fairly fast flowering strain?

hayrolld said:

It will be all good brother. I thought you might be able to move some since it was not long ago the roots were not reaching down far enough on all of them. I am kind of surprised the chronic thunder is the smallest of the bunch. Is that not a fairly fast flowering strain?

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The Chronic Thunders took the longest to actually have roots good enough to enter the octagon (for the most part). As for flowering time, about 60 days for them. All of the runts are about 7 to 10 days behind the rest. I'm reasonably confident they will catch up and just be harvested a little later.

I am sure they will catch up, I just thought that was a fast flowering strain for some reason. Truthfully, your hands will appreciate it if the harvest is staggered. You are going to have a lot of nug to trim

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Chapter 3 Update
Day 38
Flowering Day 5
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havent checked in a week.. they are taking off IMO.
at least compared to my plants....
now imagine aero..true aero.

glockdoc said:

havent checked in a week.. they are taking off IMO.
at least compared to my plants....
now imagine aero..true aero.

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Yeah, they are definitely taking off. Starting to drink and transpire too. Brought a dehumidifier online on a timer. Runs 15 minutes each hour. Keeping it in the 50's for now.
I don't know anything about aero but I'm kind of at the point where I need to stop prototyping and find my process.

I'm super anxious to begin building the next octagon but I have to force myself to wait a little longer. I keep taking light readings with my lux meter and as the plants are growing, they are getting closer and closer to the bulb. Ultimately I'm going to have a dilemma. Do I size the octagon such that they are in the sweet spot in the middle of flowering when their size is mostly realized? Or do I size it with the possibility of running a 1000 HPS at the start and then reduce down to either a 600 HPS or a 1000 MH. Right now, each of the 3 rows is receiving about 50,000 LUX...a lot more than they were receiving as seedlings.

Regardless of that, this next octagon will be a full 8 sides and it will have some slick features to it.

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Ultimately I'm going to have a dilemma. Do I size the octagon such that they are in the sweet spot in the middle of flowering when their size is mostly realized? .

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The girls look super happy for now-----with roughly 50 days left, what then?

If I did the math right (10.764 lux = 1 foot-candle).

50,000 lux = 4645 footcandles (full sunlight = 10,000 foot-candles).

For those reasons you have mentioned-----I hate fixed position tubes/posts.

If you are ever interested in having the flexibility of:

1) Growing large and small plants the same distance from the light.

2) Being able to have easy access to all the plants forming a 360 canopy around the light.

3) mediumless aero / circulation.

4) Trellis for training.

5) easy access to the roots.

I would be glad to help.

Anyway, I assume you're having loads of fun (except for the spend, spend, spend part).

Stay safe and have fun,

A~~~

Hot Diggity Sog said:

I'm super anxious to begin building the next octagon but I have to force myself to wait a little longer. I keep taking light readings with my lux meter and as the plants are growing, they are getting closer and closer to the bulb. Ultimately I'm going to have a dilemma. Do I size the octagon such that they are in the sweet spot in the middle of flowering when their size is mostly realized? Or do I size it with the possibility of running a 1000 HPS at the start and then reduce down to either a 600 HPS or a 1000 MH. Right now, each of the 3 rows is receiving about 50,000 LUX...a lot more than they were receiving as seedlings.

Regardless of that, this next octagon will be a full 8 sides and it will have some slick features to it.

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Finish strong my man !! Definently watching this !!

Looking good brother just something i was thinking about is if you are worried about the 1000 watts being to much for the girls could you use flexible elbows and put the bases on wheels if the flexible elbows have lets say 5-10" you can have it close at the start when your running the 600 then stretch it out and put the 1000 watts in... ? do you understand what i am trying to say i can make a diagram if that helps

Chapter 3 Update
Day 40
Flowering Day 7

About 1/2 of the late additions have started to take off. The ones that have not yet are starting to get a little shaded and left behind...ugh. All in all though I'm still pleased.



C99

Sour Blueberry



Blue Dream



Blueberry Headband



Chronic Thunder

Hot Diggity Sog said:

I'm super anxious to begin building the next octagon but I have to force myself to wait a little longer. I keep taking light readings with my lux meter and as the plants are growing, they are getting closer and closer to the bulb. Ultimately I'm going to have a dilemma. Do I size the octagon such that they are in the sweet spot in the middle of flowering when their size is mostly realized? Or do I size it with the possibility of running a 1000 HPS at the start and then reduce down to either a 600 HPS or a 1000 MH. Right now, each of the 3 rows is receiving about 50,000 LUX...a lot more than they were receiving as seedlings.

Regardless of that, this next octagon will be a full 8 sides and it will have some slick features to it.

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I think you will the plants in the sweet spot during flowering to get the best yields and potency. My plants have always grown well getting less light when they are vegging than during flower.

They look good how much you looking to pull ? What size lamp you using?

gulfcoastgrower said:

They look good how much you looking to pull ? What size lamp you using?

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No idea on weight...will be interesting to see. I'm using a 1000 watt HPS hung vertically. I raised the light way up before taking pictures today but normally it is positioned right in the center of the partial octagon.

hayrolld said:

I think you will the plants in the sweet spot during flowering to get the best yields and potency. My plants have always grown well getting less light when they are vegging than during flower.

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I'm inclined to agree with you which means the next octagon might need to be a tad bit bigger. Too early to say that for sure though. I'm also thinking that the spacing between rows needs to be a little more and the plant spacing could be a tad more as well.