Hot Diggity Sog
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Oh yes! I forgot to mention watering. At some point, manual watering simply cannot be done so this needs to be automated or at least semi-automated...another big topic that I have no solution for at the moment.
12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains
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Fiveleafsleft
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If going from seeds i think that you should look for a strain that grows very uniform. Skunk nr1 is one strain that's supposed o do that. I think that No mercys seeds grows pretty uniform since they are supposed to be grown on 12/12. Santa maria is in-bread for 8 generations now. You sem to invest much time and energy in this project.. If you have more time and energy maybe making your own female seeds with silver could be an option. I don't think it's that hard, but havn't tried it myself. Selfing a very uniform strain or crossing lets say NL5 with another uniform strain should give pretty uniform seeds, with the former being an S1 and the latter being an F1
Hot Diggity Sog
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You're 100% correct. Uniformity is key as the lights would be fixed. I've done a little research into creating Fem seeds and you're right, this is the absolute best way to go. Since I have never done it I guess it just feels intimidating.
Fiveleafsleft
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Right now i'm using blumat's and am very happy with them. But I do believe that drip emitters with a quality-pump would be more reliable. Back in the days I rocked two Son-T agro's with adjust-a-wings, coco-slabs and drip emitters. Eheim makes very good and silent pumps!why would you wanna fixate your lamps by the way? At least in the beginning playing with footprints is one of the best ways to improve things..
Hot Diggity Sog
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I guess I just meant that once the system was up and running that the lights would not need to be raised and lowered. In reality, there is no reason they couldn't be.
So drip emitters...do you think this is the option I should begin studying first?
Fiveleafsleft
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This is the thread that that made me inspired to try it out, even if it hasn't happened yet.. http://www.420magazine.com/forums/seeds-clones-strains/153838-how-use-colloidal-silver-produce-feminized-seeds.html
Hot Diggity Sog
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That looks very promising. I'm going to order some and try it out during this experiment just to learn!
Thanks for the link
Thanks for the link
Fiveleafsleft
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yes. It's super easy. Timer, pump, pvc-hose, spaghetti-hose and a puncher to make holes is really all you need. (ok reservoir, end fitting, and maybe a few 90 degree fittings for the not so flexible hose could be good to have.. Length of watering and length of spaghetti tubes affects amount of water coming.. So 2-3 pumps might be necessary.. for different amounts and different strength of nutes. Seedlings maybe can be hand-watered? It's not that hard actually, but an investment.
Remember to water-secure everything! I was very happy that i had sealed my floor with pond-plastic once when i miss-programmed my timer and had 100 liters of water flooding my 25 liter runoff tray...
I know that you already posted a ling on the subject, I havn't read it yet, but know that the thread i posted was informative and made it seem easy.. So now you have more to read!That looks very promising. I'm going to order some and try it out during this experiment just to learn!
Thanks for the link
Hot Diggity Sog
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Thanks bro. I'll get to studying up on drip systems. Might even make a prototype in time to use during the experiment...we'll see!yes. It's super easy. Timer, pump, pvc-hose, spaghetti-hose and a puncher to make holes is really all you need. (ok reservoir, end fitting, and maybe a few 90 degree fittings for the not so flexible hose could be good to have.. Length of watering and length of spaghetti tubes affects amount of water coming.. So 2-3 pumps might be necessary.. for different amounts and different strength of nutes. Seedlings maybe can be hand-watered? It's not that hard actually, but an investment.
Remember to water-secure everything! I was very happy that i had sealed my floor with pond-plastic once when i miss-programmed my timer and had 100 liters of water flooding my 25 liter runoff tray...
I know that you already posted a ling on the subject, I havn't read it yet, but know that the thread i posted was informative and made it seem easy.. So now you have more to read!
Hot Diggity Sog
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I have never heard of No Mercy seeds but I found them. I wish Attitude carried their gear. This looks really interesting.
Mr.Head
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I've got both a pump fed and a gravity fed drip system, but don't use either It's a great option if you're growing all 1 strain and it's dialed in so you water the same amount to all plants, but wiht different plants uptaking different amounts it's hard to get it right without multiple res's and pumps.
I used the gravity system once and it worked awesome, but you need the height for the res. to get the pressure to work properly, if you can't get the res. 5ft off the ground at least it's not really an option. It works just as well as a pump fed system if you can get the elevation.
It's definitely an awesome way to go about things though, saves a LOT of time and knee strain. And is safer for the plants, I've snapped a few branches watering before. You can run shut offs on every line and monitor it while it waters and manually shut off the ones that are saturated, I've been debating this option for a while
I'm saving my systems till I find a clone I want to run a bunch of at once I think. With the number of plants you're running I'd definitely look into it. Really not that expensive either. Think I got all my hoses and fittings for $30-40. My res's were free. I think I spent more time/money on the fittings for the gravity fed system then I did on the entire pump fed.
It's a great option if you're growing all 1 strain and it's dialed in so you water the same amount to all plants, but wiht different plants uptaking different amounts it's hard to get it right without multiple res's and pumps.I used the gravity system once and it worked awesome, but you need the height for the res. to get the pressure to work properly, if you can't get the res. 5ft off the ground at least it's not really an option. It works just as well as a pump fed system if you can get the elevation.
It's definitely an awesome way to go about things though, saves a LOT of time and knee strain. And is safer for the plants, I've snapped a few branches watering before. You can run shut offs on every line and monitor it while it waters and manually shut off the ones that are saturated, I've been debating this option for a while
I'm saving my systems till I find a clone I want to run a bunch of at once I think. With the number of plants you're running I'd definitely look into it. Really not that expensive either. Think I got all my hoses and fittings for $30-40. My res's were free. I think I spent more time/money on the fittings for the gravity fed system then I did on the entire pump fed.
Fiveleafsleft
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The 12/12 from seed grow (in dutch i think) i posted several pages ago was grown with No mercy seeds, no mercy special. I do believe that most strains flower pretty well with this system, but he must have thought of uniformity when making seeds especially for this system. Good luck, have to continue with my day.. It's easy to loose track of time here..
Hot Diggity Sog
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Awesome Mr. Head, thanks. I have a lot of reading to do now!I've got both a pump fed and a gravity fed drip system, but don't use either
I used the gravity system once and it worked awesome, but you need the height for the res. to get the pressure to work properly, if you can't get the res. 5ft off the ground at least it's not really an option. It works just as well as a pump fed system if you can get the elevation.
It's definitely an awesome way to go about things though, saves a LOT of time and knee strain. And is safer for the plants, I've snapped a few branches watering before. You can run shut offs on every line and monitor it while it waters and manually shut off the ones that are saturated, I've been debating this option for a while
I'm saving my systems till I find a clone I want to run a bunch of at once I think. With the number of plants you're running I'd definitely look into it. Really not that expensive either. Think I got all my hoses and fittings for $30-40. My res's were free. I think I spent more time/money on the fittings for the gravity fed system then I did on the entire pump fed.
Fiveleafsleft
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I think that you can get away with several strains if they are about the same size and keep some runoff, but it's way easier to deal with clones that all are in the same size. I had three strains at the same time with no problem..I've got both a pump fed and a gravity fed drip system, but don't use either
I used the gravity system once and it worked awesome, but you need the height for the res. to get the pressure to work properly, if you can't get the res. 5ft off the ground at least it's not really an option. It works just as well as a pump fed system if you can get the elevation.
It's definitely an awesome way to go about things though, saves a LOT of time and knee strain. And is safer for the plants, I've snapped a few branches watering before. You can run shut offs on every line and monitor it while it waters and manually shut off the ones that are saturated, I've been debating this option for a while
I'm saving my systems till I find a clone I want to run a bunch of at once I think. With the number of plants you're running I'd definitely look into it. Really not that expensive either. Think I got all my hoses and fittings for $30-40. My res's were free. I think I spent more time/money on the fittings for the gravity fed system then I did on the entire pump fed.
Blumats tropf actually senses how humid the medium is, and water according to your settings. It's a very good system and you can get away with an elevation of maybe 3-4 feets, especially if you are running multiple lines. But as i said before it's a little trickier than drip-emitters
Hot Diggity Sog
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Lets say a drip system had 1000 plants it had to supply. I would think getting even water pressure to all of the nodes would be damn near impossible. Is this simply not the case and they work great and can scale up evenly?I've got both a pump fed and a gravity fed drip system, but don't use either
I used the gravity system once and it worked awesome, but you need the height for the res. to get the pressure to work properly, if you can't get the res. 5ft off the ground at least it's not really an option. It works just as well as a pump fed system if you can get the elevation.
It's definitely an awesome way to go about things though, saves a LOT of time and knee strain. And is safer for the plants, I've snapped a few branches watering before. You can run shut offs on every line and monitor it while it waters and manually shut off the ones that are saturated, I've been debating this option for a while
I'm saving my systems till I find a clone I want to run a bunch of at once I think. With the number of plants you're running I'd definitely look into it. Really not that expensive either. Think I got all my hoses and fittings for $30-40. My res's were free. I think I spent more time/money on the fittings for the gravity fed system then I did on the entire pump fed.
Mr.Head
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http://www.irrigationdirect.ca/Tutorials-and-Avice.html
Probably every question you need an answer too is there I would think. I haven't ordered anything from there, just used their site for the information.
You will lose pressure the further you get down the line, but if you have adequate PSi you will be fine.
Probably every question you need an answer too is there I would think. I haven't ordered anything from there, just used their site for the information.
You will lose pressure the further you get down the line, but if you have adequate PSi you will be fine.
Hot Diggity Sog
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Day 24 Update
Plants look great. Growth rate is really accelerating. Vertical growth is very noticeable. I'm getting a lot of variance in node spacing which I suppose is to be expected with this many strains. Total height of the plants is actually fairly consistent. Average height is now at 5 inches. Watering is becoming a little more challenging due to the density. Crowding, especially in the 3" pots, is becoming an issue. I don't think I need to worry about any defoliation yet but probably soon. Tonight I fed @80% strength of the Week 3 Veg schedule which is about 30% stronger than last feed. The handful of plants that were transplanted from 4" pots to 3" pots are showing no sign of transplant shock. I added a slightly more amount of PH Down tonight...1.25 ml/g. PH looked to be right around 5.8. PPM came in at 707. Discounting my 170 PPM tap water, this is 537 PPM of nutes. This could be a little hot so I'm prepared to do a minor flush if they show any signs. I figure you won't where the line is until you cross it, right? Watered much less aggressively tonight. Probably got 20% - 30% run-off.
Plants look great. Growth rate is really accelerating. Vertical growth is very noticeable. I'm getting a lot of variance in node spacing which I suppose is to be expected with this many strains. Total height of the plants is actually fairly consistent. Average height is now at 5 inches. Watering is becoming a little more challenging due to the density. Crowding, especially in the 3" pots, is becoming an issue. I don't think I need to worry about any defoliation yet but probably soon. Tonight I fed @80% strength of the Week 3 Veg schedule which is about 30% stronger than last feed. The handful of plants that were transplanted from 4" pots to 3" pots are showing no sign of transplant shock. I added a slightly more amount of PH Down tonight...1.25 ml/g. PH looked to be right around 5.8. PPM came in at 707. Discounting my 170 PPM tap water, this is 537 PPM of nutes. This could be a little hot so I'm prepared to do a minor flush if they show any signs. I figure you won't where the line is until you cross it, right? Watered much less aggressively tonight. Probably got 20% - 30% run-off.
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akhiymjames
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Looking good bro. I can tell your watching your plants and giving them what they need. Just wait they haven't really took off yet. You should see an explosion of growth in the next week or so. Keep it up bro and you will have buds in no time. You got any pistils showing yet?
Hot Diggity Sog
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I've been looking but none yet! I was just comparing tonight pictures to pics from 4 days ago and WOW. They are really taking off.
Hot Diggity Sog
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If *this* is not taking off yet then oh boy...