12/12 from Seed Experiment - Part One: Trial and Error

cc2012

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First off Hello to all who pop in and have a look.. Well after reading many, many threads on 12/12 the last one being Hot Diggity Sog - 12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains
Which I must add is a bloody good read!
So once I've finished what I've got going at the moment and had a little move around, I will be using the Main Grow Cupboard for My 1st proper run with 12/12 from Seed..but I'm a little bored and thought what the Hell lets have a play...

This time round it's going to be just the one lady and well it'll be interesting(for me) even if its a fail..

Tha Goal 1oz(at least hopefully) from One Plant grown from start to finish under 12/12 Light regime.. Here's tha Twist. ..She's an AUTO!! Yep that's right I decided to Experiment a little and well.. Will be EPIC!! Epic Success OR Epic Failure(borrowed that line from HdS) One of the Two? :D Right bit more detail be nice You say.. ..

1 x Paradise Seeds - Vertigo Autofem(in a Glass of Water on a Heat mat as we speak) Fingers Crossed!!

1 x 3 Litre Air Pot

1 x 250w Hps Bulb(from Start to Finish) *I may add a 30w 6400K CFL just above Her for first 2-3 weeks?

Right I prepared the Coco Coir / Multi-purpose Compost / Perlite Mix(and a sprinkling of Root Infinity) last night and after adding the seedling compost into the middle of the Mix I ran(slowly) 2L of Water through Her, I did this in two parts(1L each time) and left standing inbetween each litre, I also let it stand for half hr in the Run-Off before placing on a plate for last bit of drainage.. this then went into the Main Grow Cupboard to Warm for 12-24hrs.

Some Strain Info.. ..



Paradise Seeds said:
Paradise Vertigo Automatic Autoflowering Feminised Seeds Info

Vertigo is one of our latest strains. It comes from a fine Indica/ Sativa hybrid, which is chosen for its splendid characteristics, its fruity strong flavour, and fast to finish growth.

3 generations of breeding resulted in stable stamdard plants. The flowers are coated in resin and as potent as auto flowering strains can get.

Auto flowering potential has only been discovered a few years ago, but until now has not been developed to its full. With Vertigo we believe we show that it is possible to have very high quality medicinal marihuana in an automatic variety.

These plants can reach the height of 1 meter or taller. It has a strong effect.

An impressive production of resinous citric fruity aromatic flowers.

A fast to finish strain, in approximately 60 days excellent for commercial growers

Type: Autoflowering Indica /Sativa
Yield: 500 grams per m2 indoors. Outdoors 75 grams per plant.
Lifecycle: from seed to harvest, approx. 60 days indoors and max. 70 days outdoors.
Outdoors in colder regions Northern latitude: Start in May/ June and finish in July/ August. In warmer areas multitple harvests are possible. In tropical areas the whole year round.
Effect: heavy potent
Aroma /Taste: citric intense bouquet
THC: 15-18 %
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cc2012

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Just a little Info from another Thread on another Forum, I actually stumbled across this when looking for more Info on KC45's Auto Regs..

donpaul.p@420 said:
auto flowering schedules
so this is what ive found,
strain was kc45 auto regular grown under 400watt dual spectrum hps with 55,000lumins, grown using ---
light schedules used was 24-0, 20-4 and 12-12

under 24-0 and 20-4 i was getting very poor results, averaging around 1/4oz to 3 8ths. this was from several plants all hit very poor yields,
under 12-12 i averaged around 2oz per plant.

under 24-0 the plants didnt reach 1ft high, the buds where small,
under 12-12 the plants hit 2ft and over, buds where over 1ft in length and produced 2oz in total,

growing conditions where the same for each grow, temps, nutrients, distance from light etc etc,

so this is what i found and im producing more autos seeds to run more tests.

what im trying to work out is do autos flower due to age in days, do they reach harvest due to age in days,
or do they start flowering due to age in light hours and reach harvest due to age in light hours,

let me explain, so under 12-12 the kc45's i grew where under 12-12 from seed to harvest, the plants took between 2 and 3 weeks longer to start flowering and they took just over 3 weeks longer to be ready to harvest when compared with 20-4 and 24-0 schedules,

as i got these results off several plants then it could not of been a lucky seed producing 2oz, all the plants under 12-12 reached at least 1.5ft including males before showing sex, under 20-4 and 24-0 the plants didnt even reach 1ft in height at harvest.

as i grew several plants under both schedules i found that the plants under 12-12 all took longer to start flowering, all took longer to reach harvest and all made it double or sometimes tripped the size of the plants grown under 24-0 and 20-4,

so the kc45 leads me to believe that autos may grow according to light in hours and not age in days,
so for example, lets say an auto needs 240 hours of light to reach harvest,
under 24-0 this would be 10 days,
under 12-12 it would be double this,

my plants clearly took longer to start flowering and reach harvest under 12-12 and got much bigger under 12-12.

so if they flower according to age in days, then this suggests the plants would not flower at all under 24-0 as they would need the dark period to know its been 1 day, under constant light it dont know what a day is as such, we know ruderalis grows in areas that dont have seasons as such so it has long days or long nights so it dont flower due to photo periods so it uses something else to signal the start of flower.

so as my plants took over 3 weeks longer to reach harvest and this was with a few plants then this suggests that at least the kc45 strain dont flower and reach harvest due to age in days, if it did then it would start flowering at the same time under 12-12 and 24-0 and 20-4, but their was a difference of between 2 and 3 weeks with all the plants grown,

so that suggests the kc45 auto dont flower according to age in days, as it starts to flower earlier under 24-0 and is harvested weeks earlier under 24-0 and 20-4 then their must be something else going on,

hopefully some auto growers can add some of their own info to this thread so we can work out what strains work best with which schedule,

plus at the minute im collecting pollen from a kc45 auto male and ive been collecting it for a few days now and ive got another 2 kc45 autos growing under 12-12 and if one of these is fem then ill use it to just produce seeds so i have got plenty of seeds to work with so i can do more testing.
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bf80255

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cc2012 said:
Just a little Info from another Thread on another Forum, I actually stumbled across this when looking for more Info on KC45's Auto Regs..
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this sounds like BS if ive ever read it.

autos flower based on age not a light cycle, so you cant trick them into thinking it "hasnt been day 1 yet" by disallowing a dark period.

I grow tons of autos and 20/4 or 18/6 are hands down the optimal light cycles (24 is really expensive) 12/12 will give you autos that yield around 1/8-1/2oz IME growing them on 18/6 or 20/4 you can expect 1-5oz from most strains.
 
cc2012

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Quick Update: Day 03 of 12/12 for the Vertigo, At the moment she is sat under a brand fire new 200w 6400K CFL @about 12" away from the Pot. will lower light, once sorted swapped over the Yo-Yo..got some new ones, Old ones was just spares and are rubbish! thanks for Looking in..Will update again when she gets moved under the 400w setup.



atb
 
cc2012

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Well its bean a few days, so here's a quick update on the babies, So now we have 2 Autos under the 12/12 Light regime and 1 Auto under 24/0..

Vertigo Day 12 - 12/12
Bubblegum(01) Day 11 - 12/12
Bubblegum(02) Day 10 - 24/0




All the Ladies was given 200ml of Water on Tues and I will be giving then another watering later, well shortly.. I will also update the Pictures again.

Going Slow so far..

atb
 
cc2012

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just a Quick Update, well its Day 13 for the Auto Vertigo(back left) and Day 12 for the Auto Bubblegum(back right) these 2 Autos are still under the 200w 6400k Giant CFL and the Auto Bubblegum(front) has had 12hrs under this bulb and then 12hrs under the 400w Dual Spectrum Mh/Hps setup. All were given 200ml of Water yesterday.

Thanks for Looking

atb
 
cc2012

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Howdy Folks, Welcome to tha CC Auto Show, Featuring 12/12 Vertigo and the 12/12 Bubblegum..and last but by No means least the 24/0 Bubblegum.. Will it work, will they just yield a Gram.. Who knows.. Not me.. Not yet anyways.. atb.. Few NEW PICs.. Feast your eyes on these BiG Ladies.... :lol:



Oops almost forgot to say its Day 20 for the 12/12 Vertigo, Day 19 for the 12/12 Bubblegum and Day 18 for the 24/0 Bubblegum



atb
 
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bf80255

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cc2012 said:
Howdy Folks, Welcome to tha CC Auto Show, Featuring 12/12 Vertigo and the 12/12 Bubblegum..and last but by No means least the 24/0 Bubblegum.. Will it work, will they just yield a Gram.. Who knows.. Not me.. Not yet anyways.. atb.. Few NEW PICs.. Feast your eyes on these BiG Ladies.... :lol:

Oops almost forgot to say its Day 20 for the 12/12 Vertigo, Day 19 for the 12/12 Bubblegum and Day 18 for the 24/0 Bubblegum

atb
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looking good! I think we can see what the best light cycle for veg is so far ;)
 
cc2012

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I will take some notes on Height and Leaf sets and Post, Will be I think both Interesting and Funny to see how this turns out? 1 more order of Lemon Kush(I like to get maximum amount of Freebies) and I will be ready for pt.II which will(Fingers crossed) be 9 x Lemon Kush SoG vs 2 x Lemon Kush ScroG.. .Can't wait to begin tbh.. Thanks for Looking in and comments.

atb
 
bravedave

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Figured I would ping and let ya know I dropped in. Really have little interest in autos but do like experiments by people I respect. Fun stuff. Not 12/12 but 'Gaslight" is in my future as is sog/scrog and more. Have 8 beauties looking for direction right now.
 
cc2012

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Cheers Dave, tbh after the D.P. Blackberry Kush are done(another grow on the go) I will be switching over to just Fems again and maybe even Regs for the SoG(@future date) But the next bit of Fun will be the Lemon Kush(Fems) and ScroG vs SoG.. I will do one more Run of 12/12 Autos but it will be side by side and Sativa dom strain..

Cheers for Looking in and comments..

atb
 
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small Update(will add pictures later) well they are still motoring along, at this point(3rd Week) I normally give em a Good watering(1-1.5L) well after checking the weights of the pots, Only the 24/0 Auto Bubblegum has been given a good Watering 1L.. Both the Vertigo and other Bubblegum still feel very heavy, almost like they've hardly supped..? I'm thinking it's maybe down to reduced hrs, though it could also be down to only being under the Giant CFL? Whereass the 24/0 time under my other setup..will be running this again, but hopefully in a better arrangement..
 
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After checking on them earlier, I decided that only tha 24/0 Bubblegum was ready for tha "BiG" watering session..so I didn't water either of tha 12/12 Autos.. But the 24/0 Bubblegum got 1L of water. I did measure em and count "True" Leaf Sets and Took a few PICS all together outta tha GT.

12/12 Vertigo is 15.5cm / 4 x Leaf Sets

12/12 Bubblegum is 10cm / 3 x Leaf Sets

24/0 Bubblegum is 17cm / 5 x Leaf Sets


12/12 Bubblegum

12/12 Vertigo

24/0 Bubblegum

Now what's interesting Today for me is it seems the 12/12 Vertigo is catching up with the 24/0 Bubblegum and the Vertigo is only getting 12/12 of 200W CFL and the 24/0 Bubblegum is getting 12hrs under the 200W CFL and 12hrs under my 400W Flowering bulb... ..we'll see how things go.. But I might run a couple of the Vertigo’s again..

atb
 
cc2012

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Small Update:

12/12 Auto Vertigo is on Day 24, and the 12/12 Bubblegum is on Day 23 with the 24/0 Bubblegum bringing up the rear on Day 22. ... No signs of Pistils yet(good job) and tbh becoming quite interested in the Vertigo(was a Freebie) its got Legs I'll give her that..


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atb, thanks for stopping by. ...
 
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bf80255

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cc2012 said:
small Update(will add pictures later) well they are still motoring along, at this point(3rd Week) I normally give em a Good watering(1-1.5L) well after checking the weights of the pots, Only the 24/0 Auto Bubblegum has been given a good Watering 1L.. Both the Vertigo and other Bubblegum still feel very heavy, almost like they've hardly supped..? I'm thinking it's maybe down to reduced hrs, though it could also be down to only being under the Giant CFL? Whereass the 24/0 time under my other setup..will be running this again, but hopefully in a better arrangement..
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have you considered rigging up a sort of reflective "hood" of foil or something to put on top of the CFL and get some of that light thats being wasted going straight up to be refracted?
 
cc2012

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Hiya bf80255, their is indeed a Reflector fitted, But its a cheap ass one, and well get what's you pay for init.. you can see what I mean in Post #8

when I run this again it will be under the 400w Mh/Hps this Giant CFL I picked up ages ago(was going very cheap) didn't really need it, was just as a spare in-case owt when wrong with my bulbs in Main grows, could just chuck it in and plug in whilst waiting for replacement Mh/Hps Bulb to turn up..Waffling!!

Thinking about sticking 2 x Auto Verts in with the Lemon Kush I'm going to run 12/12 SoG...

atb
 
cc2012

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Well I had to do a quick picture update, I just can't get over the "Legs" on the Auto Vertigo under only 12/12 and 200w CFL.. I mean the 24/0 Bubblegum is getting more hrs and a lot more Lumens and both spectrums.. getting pretty exciting to watch.. well for me..

atb



I've kinda always gone with the idea that a Plants needs to rest over the 24/0 being best, and so-far looking at this experiment(which is not really a great indicator I know) but still most My Grows have been with 18/6 in-fact the ScroG I have on the go was on 16/8 before being flipped to 12/12.. ..



Well I'm still getting the "R.I.U. Slow-down" thanks to you know who..

idk?
 
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