156 sqft sealed flower room w/exhaust

I have a new space, it's 156 sqft the room is sealed in a good discrete location (out of sight out of mind) idealy i want to run 6 600s or 6 1000s,
AC, inlines/scrubber, dehumidifier also will be growing on tables and in soil. Any pointers on the best way to set this room up would be greatly appreciated.

pphaze said:

I have a new space, it's 156 sqft the room is sealed in a good discrete location (out of sight out of mind) idealy i want to run 6 600s or 6 1000s,
AC, inlines/scrubber, dehumidifier also will be growing on tables and in soil. Any pointers on the best way to set this room up would be greatly appreciated.

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well frist off it is sealed......this means no Exhaust at all as it is sealed up

1 what kind of refectors are u using .......if aircooled u can keep the room sealed by running the ducting from anouther area to allow the air to be sucked from there

2 what kind of ballast ....attached to the light or 15 feet of cord

3 are u going to be adding Co2 (sealed rooms needs this)

4 what are the extact LxWxH of room

5 whatz your budget

just to start

as for running tables with soil ..........not sure u want that as planters are simpler to run and easier to controll fix a issue (the table is going to remove over all room u have for growing into ) the planter them self depending on the size u use are 11-14 inches so that still gives u a shit load of room for the upward growth and bushing out ......it is easier to stagger the plantings too ...watering them so u are feeding the plant what it is telling u wants ....bunch of other reasons

look for a tent liner
http://www.sun-huts.com/shop/bycategory/tents-indoor-greenhouses/sun-hut-blackout-grow-tents
i finally found one .......they sell replacement floor liner for the tent.....the liners are water proof and have reflectivly
look for a tent that is the size u want then u just order the floor liner for that tent for your area ........i been using my old ones to do it now i am going to buy the size i want

justugh said:

well frist off it is sealed......this means no Exhaust at all as it is sealed up

1 what kind of refectors are u using .......if aircooled u can keep the room sealed by running the ducting from anouther area to allow the air to be sucked from there

2 what kind of ballast ....attached to the light or 15 feet of cord

3 are u going to be adding Co2 (sealed rooms needs this)

4 what are the extact LxWxH of room

5 whatz your budget

just to start

as for running tables with soil ..........not sure u want that as planters are simpler to run and easier to controll fix a issue (the table is going to remove over all room u have for growing into ) the planter them self depending on the size u use are 11-14 inches so that still gives u a shit load of room for the upward growth and bushing out ......it is easier to stagger the plantings too ...watering them so u are feeding the plant what it is telling u wants ....bunch of other reasons

look for a tent liner
http://www.sun-huts.com/shop/bycategory/tents-indoor-greenhouses/sun-hut-blackout-grow-tents
i finally found one .......they sell replacement floor liner for the tent.....the liners are water proof and have reflectivly
look for a tent that is the size u want then u just order the floor liner for that tent for your area ........i been using my old ones to do it now i am going to buy the size i want

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That makes sense but I do want to hook up a pump to suck all of the RO water
Out of the tables I can also use the water to water my grass

I'd be running regular reflectors possibly air cooled

The room has a window that I will seal and cut out ports for intake/exhaust

I'll be running magnetic ballast on 15ft cords mounted in the room next door.

20lbs co2 tank with regulator and monitor

Room is 13ft x 12ft X 9 1/2ft

Budget is around 5k

I want to set up for an eventual perpetual grow running 4 lights set up as sections

Light 1 (1-2) weeks
Light 2 (3-4) weeks
Light 3 (5-6) weeks
Light 4 (7- weeks

And the other two lights will handle
And plants needing an extended flower or smaller plants I will eventually throw in the cycle

pphaze said:

That makes sense but I do want to hook up a pump to suck all of the RO water
Out of the tables I can also use the water to water my grass

I'd be running regular reflectors possibly air cooled

The room has a window that I will seal and cut out ports for intake/exhaust

I'll be running magnetic ballast on 15ft cords mounted in the room next door.

20lbs co2 tank with regulator and monitor

Room is 13ft x 12ft X 9 1/2ft

Budget is around 5k

I want to set up for an eventual perpetual grow running 4 lights set up as sections

Light 1 (1-2) weeks
Light 2 (3-4) weeks
Light 3 (5-6) weeks
Light 4 (7- weeks

And the other two lights will handle
And plants needing an extended flower or smaller plants I will eventually throw in the cycle

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ok for this to work for u with co2 tank the room has to be 100% sealed .....other wise that tank is going to be empty n a matter of days ....even at the size of room u are that tank is to small( a burner unit would be more cost effective)

u need to decide something
1 a sealed room enriched with Co2 .........cost more but produces more
2 a exchange room with no Co2 adding in other then naturally high lvl in the building (500-700 ppm rating indoor)....cheaper of the 2 does decent

if this is a money making op u are doing .......spend the extra money and do the full CO2
if this is a money saving op u are doing .........then do the exchange system your area is big enough to supply your family with smoke and extra to sell

pick one of those and i can help u get a starting point ...

everything u are doing now is a investment

u will recover the cost of everything over time and make money ........just keep that in your mind

justugh said:

well frist off it is sealed......this means no Exhaust at all as it is sealed up

1 what kind of refectors are u using .......if aircooled u can keep the room sealed by running the ducting from anouther area to allow the air to be sucked from there

2 what kind of ballast ....attached to the light or 15 feet of cord

3 are u going to be adding Co2 (sealed rooms needs this)

4 what are the extact LxWxH of room

5 whatz your budget

just to start

as for running tables with soil ..........not sure u want that as planters are simpler to run and easier to controll fix a issue (the table is going to remove over all room u have for growing into ) the planter them self depending on the size u use are 11-14 inches so that still gives u a shit load of room for the upward growth and bushing out ......it is easier to stagger the plantings too ...watering them so u are feeding the plant what it is telling u wants ....bunch of other reasons

look for a tent liner
http://www.sun-huts.com/shop/bycategory/tents-indoor-greenhouses/sun-hut-blackout-grow-tents
i finally found one .......they sell replacement floor liner for the tent.....the liners are water proof and have reflectivly
look for a tent that is the size u want then u just order the floor liner for that tent for your area ........i been using my old ones to do it now i am going to buy the size i want

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You can exhaust during lights off

Dividedsky said:

You can exhaust during lights off

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not with out a air path ......and that would be done with a tub design (sealed wall and floor with a open ceiling) doors can be sealed easly

rem Co2 is heavy gas any open ductings they will just fill to that lvl and flow out the fan or no fan a backdraft dampner would needed to make a good seal.....i seen some iris ones too

he has not commited to lights yet so a sealed room no venting Co2 added in on a 5k budget i would say to get COB or LEDs ....making the energy needed for the lights and cooling them much less

justugh said:

not with out a air path ......and that would be done with a tub design (sealed wall and floor with a open ceiling) doors can be sealed easly

rem Co2 is heavy gas any open ductings they will just fill to that lvl and flow out the fan or no fan a backdraft dampner would needed to make a good seal.....i seen some iris ones too

he has not commited to lights yet so a sealed room no venting Co2 added in on a 5k budget i would say to get COB or LEDs ....making the energy needed for the lights and cooling them much less

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I understand what your saying, but I have seen rooms that exhaust during lights off and are still able to maintain optimum Co2 levels when lights are on. Lots of growers with a/c hoods even cool their hoods with inline fans that don't come in contact with air inside grow. If running HIDs I personally would rather exhaust the room with fans and scrubbers during lights off then run dehus and ac 24/7.

Dividedsky said:

I understand what your saying, but I have seen rooms that exhaust during lights off and are still able to maintain optimum Co2 levels when lights are on. Lots of growers with a/c hoods even cool their hoods with inline fans that don't come in contact with air inside grow. If running HIDs I personally would rather exhaust the room with fans and scrubbers during lights off then run dehus and ac 24/7.

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air cooled hood with 1000w he is looking at 6000 btu of ac power to control the heat from the HID lamp
6 of them he needs a 3 ton mini split ...6 600w 2 ton would get away with it but would be running alot
(mh bulbs make about 40% ir heat where HPS bulbs u are looking at 70% hence why the strong AC )

what u are talking about is like a zephyr fan ......only used to cycle the air a few times a day ......it sucks up one side of the area while cool oxygen comes into the other side .....they are also used for heat control

the man only has 5k .......the 3 ton mini split is going to run him half of that

Your budget is not big enough to do it right. Plain and simple.

Double it and you'll be in better shape.

This is what I would do.
-12 315w CMH (each covering a 3x3 area $4000-5000
-2 24k MiniSplit AC(redundancy is key in larger grows) $3000-4000
- 2 quest 105 Dehumidifers (once again with redundancy, most efficient on the market) $3000
- 2 Can150s with 10" fans $1200-1500


And that's just the big stuff. You'll still have oscillating fans, water pumps, irrigation system flood trays or dwc buckets, setting up the electric, and the 1000 other little things.

12 315s should yield around 12 lbs per run. You'll make your money back first run, it's a very short term investment.

Carolina Dream'n said:

Your budget is not big enough to do it right. Plain and simple.

Double it and you'll be in better shape.

This is what I would do.
-12 315w CMH (each covering a 3x3 area $4000-5000
-2 24k MiniSplit AC(redundancy is key in larger grows) $3000-4000
- 2 quest 105 Dehumidifers (once again with redundancy, most efficient on the market) $3000
- 2 Can150s with 10" fans $1200-1500


And that's just the big stuff. You'll still have oscillating fans, water pumps, irrigation system flood trays or dwc buckets, setting up the electric, and the 1000 other little things.

12 315s should yield around 12 lbs per run. You'll make your money back first run, it's a very short term investment.

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That's what i'm saying 5k is pushing it. Also justugh you recommend leds? No way with a 5k budget. Halfway decent leds are very expensive nevermind really good ones like apachetech or area 51. He mentioned magnetic ballast so im pretty sure he want to go with hids. I agree with the 315w, good way to keep monthly cost down and still kill it with yeild.

Dividedsky said:

That's what i'm saying 5k is pushing it. Also justugh you recommend leds? No way with a 5k budget. Halfway decent leds are very expensive nevermind really good ones like apachetech or area 51. He mentioned magnetic ballast so im pretty sure he want to go with hids. I agree with the 315w, good way to keep monthly cost down and still kill it with yeild.

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not at all with the amount of room he has the ideal would be COB lights
a decent DIY project he can build the whole light system for under 800...........get a grow or 3 in and buy something else using what he made as supplement lights

magnetic ballast are dated ........most of the decent light bulb brands have moved to a digital bulb ...SE or DE
he is talking 6 lights ......a old magnetic system draws alot more amps then a new digital ballast ......plus newer models have staggered fire up if they detect a 2nd or 3rd ballast on the circuit and designed for SE or DE bulbs

if he is magnetic then he is out of luck in the next few years as they phase out .....not worth it they are cheap for a reason they are dying tech

COBs will reduce the power drawl on the system allowing him to have fewer breakers running to that room ......this will also carry over to the amount of AC he needs from a 3 or 2 ton down to a 1 ton and the cost of that is about 800 with 125 for install and can be on a 1 20 amp break

rem he is in a home .......the odds the room is wired to more then 2 breakers are slim ........2 breakers 20amp he might squeak by on lights support gear (not counting the mini split that needs own breaker) ....and it is a huge chance that the system was wired with 20 amps as standard is only 15 ( just changing the breaker out with out making sure the wire can handle it is begging for fire ) ...and he needs room in the panel so that means a possible 2nd panel and likely running wire to the room

i love variables

justugh said:

not at all with the amount of room he has the ideal would be COB lights
a decent DIY project he can build the whole light system for under 800...........get a grow or 3 in and buy something else using what he made as supplement lights

magnetic ballast are dated ........most of the decent light bulb brands have moved to a digital bulb ...SE or DE
he is talking 6 lights ......a old magnetic system draws alot more amps then a new digital ballast ......plus newer models have staggered fire up if they detect a 2nd or 3rd ballast on the circuit and designed for SE or DE bulbs

if he is magnetic then he is out of luck in the next few years as they phase out .....not worth it they are cheap for a reason they are dying tech

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Totally agree with you on the magnetic I was just mentioning that it sounds like he wants to go with HID. You can get good digi ballast for under $200. If he has the height in the room he would kill it with a DE setup. I don't know much about COB, chip on board. I know its a bunch of small diodes put together.

Dividedsky said:

Totally agree with you on the magnetic I was just mentioning that it sounds like he wants to go with HID. You can get good digi ballast for under $200. If he has the height in the room he would kill it with a DE setup. I don't know much about COB, chip on board. I know its a bunch of small diodes put together.

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it is the next step in LED tech

instead of diodes it is a chip with the same thing smaller and all packed together (think a whole grow light on a 1 inch board )
it is purple light

the over all power drawl and amps is tiny compared to the par output of the lights

if u like 315w these are better because of the useable depth they can get in

justugh said:

the over all power drawl and amps is tiny compared to the par output of the lights

if u like 315w these are better because of the useable depth they can get in

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What's the difference between the cob and cree chip? Like i said I have a few area 51 leds, I flowered plants with them but wasn't to impressed but then again I wasn't using enough light most likley.

Dividedsky said:

What's the difference between the cob and cree chip? Like i said I have a few area 51 leds, I flowered plants with them but wasn't to impressed but then again I wasn't using enough light most likley.

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not 100% sure give me 5 mins will answer

make that 40 secs
http://www.sunper.net/technology-service/faq_What-is-the-difference-between-COB-and-smd-cree-led-high-bay/

edit
short of it
leds are start .....cods came in ......SMD verison 2 of cobs

SMD better design less heat longer life

thank u that was the last of it ......my head is tired i can sleep now

knuckle bump for maiking me learn something i did not know and will impact on advice here on out