17ft x 27ft Grow Room advise....PLEASE

Grow Room - 17ft x 27ft Flower room & 10ft by 18ft Veg/mother/clone room set up/ advise please:

I'm in my space as of yesterday and starting my build out on Saturday. Here is my "plan", and would greatly appreciate any advise. I have grown before, late 90's, Hydro set up eb & flo tables, SOG in a much smaller space than this one ie: (2 1000wt hps (2) 3x3 table/reservoirs, (1) 400 MH) This venture I'm partaking on is a bigger room, and my thoughts are as follows:

I have (50) caregivership rights w/ Amend 20 in Colorado, which allows me to have a total of (300) plants (if need be). I'm in a Basement, with 10ft high ceilings. Since I have never grown in dirt (besides mothers) I need advice of a couple of areas. I will layout my rooms and what I have in mind, any advise would be greatly appreciated, as to "Medium I should use", "lighting suggestions" etc.

I plan to build out structures within this basement to control environment. Flower room: Framing out 17ft x 27ft x 10ft high ceilings. Veg/mother/ clone same construction 10ft x 18ft x 10 ft high ceilings (16" centered framing on both rooms) Once framed, I will be using 3/4 in 4x8 insulated reflection board on all walls & ceiling & foil taped at all "seams" to "seal environment".

I have had my electrician over last night, & I have 100amp sub box already in place (15 amps already in use for "sump pump, basement lights & (1) receptacle) to draw from (3 year old built home) He is on the conservative side, (sparky doesn't want to max out breakers/circuits) He is going to be running 240 to Flower room along with 110. but this is what I have in mind: ( Sunlight Supply 1000wt HPS Magnum XXXL 8" air cooled lamps w/ 240 volt Ballasts (Ballasts I Don't know about electric or traditional?, also, ballasts will be on outside of flower room, so no extra heat issue in room) (Can I fit (10) 1000wt, to achieve my plant count of 128??. H20 System I was thinking would be Eb & Flo drip system 55 gallon drums, 5 gallon buckets wick system watering (pumps/airstone/heaters in 55 gallon drums (How many would I need?) (4) 10" wall mount osclolating fans, concrete floors will be covered in "roofing 1/4 in base sheet peel and stick". Master timer box for lights & H20 system (suggestion?). I need some advise on which direction to go as far as the H20 system. I have heard from friends that have heard of grows w 55 gallon drums in 5 gallon buckets with soil, and setting up a drip line for saturating soil for watering/feeding every couple days. I have seen at the grow store a complete set up 55 gallon drum eb & flo wick watering 5 gallon buckets system. (or if any other recommendation could be made differently) If I were to go with 5 gallon systems, I would frame out 1ft-2ft tables for buckets to be on above the floor (no expensive 4x8 trays) I will be using C02, haven't ever, doesn't seem to be to complicated, was thinking (2) tanks/ regulators. Nutrients I plan on using is "Hollands Secret" line (heard very comparable to Advanced, but cheaper) Money is not an issue, and if I need to go Advanced full line, so be it. I want to maximize this area, and need advise on plant space. I will be scrubbing my air with Charcoal filter/ filter, was planning on using 8" can fan with appopriate size filter for cfm's. I don't know if I need to utilize the "air cooled XXXl's, on a seperate can fan system, was thinking not, if I can maintain 70-75 degrees with out. (thoughts?) My thoughts were to Veg for 30-45 days then bounce into flower. I have never grown big plants, and need to know how many I can get into this flowering space, if I were to veg that long, and if it is worth it to get em that big. I would like to get 8oz. per plant (conservative guess??) My thinking was to be able to get 128 plants in this area (how off am I, if any). My veg room would be "staggered" every (2) weeks putting (32) into veg (from cloning) and depending on (4) weeks or up to ( weeks veg, my idea was to harvest (32) every 2 weeks on a perpetual cycle. I initially set up this plan, and this is what I have on the table with my investor, and needing to see if I'm realistic, or what outcome anyone could estimate. I know strains have a play in this, I'm open to options, I have started (16) moms g-13 (7-8 week flower cycle) to get about (4) weeks old to take (2) cuttings per to start my 32 in veg. (I have option of other strains that are more mature mothers, including G-13 to get 1st (32) veg going, or could let them veg mature a bit more than (4) weeks if needed.

My Veg/Mother/Clone room (20 amp 120 going to this room) : I have always used 400 wt MH for Veg, but Sparky quashed me last night on what he thought. That I cannot run (4) - ( 400 wt MH for veg, so I had to turn my thinking around, and now running into the "T-5" question. Since I have no other option (suggestions ?)I am a little skeptical on T-5 for my Veg, & would want to get the best w/ reflector, I would either get the "NEW WAVE" or the "TEK-LIGHT" Sunlight Supply 4Ft ( bulb 6500k lamps (or would "SUN BLAZE" suffice?) Is the Light foot print for these T-5's 4ft x 4ft (someone told me, or is it dimensions of actual light? if so I was thinking of (4) to cover veg, and (2) for moms & clones.

I know I have a lot of questions on here, but I want to get some opinions, before I pull the trigger next week on all my equipment. All responses greatly appreciated. SG

Firstly, the regulations are starting to get heavy in CO regarding growing and caregivers, so you might want to keep your eyes open. Senator Romer was trying to shove an awful 63 page bill down our throats but he got shut down before it could get to assembly. Now he is trying to pass off a 'revised' bill that will limit you to growing for only 5 cardholders. I highly doubt they will grandfather you either as it would be unfair to all parties.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=130545&provider=top&catid=188

I will not try to answer all of your questions but can address one in particular- the Vegging side. T5 and T8 bulbs in 4x4 racks work fine for seedlings and clones as long as you have the right light spectrum bulbs. 6500k is considered daylight and you would probably be ok with 5000k as a minimum.

I use steel shelving racks for my veg side and have a few pics in my old grow journal that should give you some ideas as to how well they work.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/275927-first-grow-macguyver4-2-0-a.html#post3435824


I'll let some others chime in and give you info now, good luck!
P.S. That's an awfully big space. Remember- keep it on the downlow and you won't draw unwanted attention!

Thanks for the reply, I hear you, my initial thought to limiting caregiver limits, is co-op, 5 patients per member of co-op?

Mac, how big r u getting your plants under T-5's before flowering? Are you still using racks for ur OP? Have you used MH in past, and do you notice any difference in growth from each?

sgfromdenver-

I still use the floro 4x4 racks for seedling and clones and even let the plants get about 8-12" tall as well. Usally have sixth node by them and sexing the plants is easier than moving over to flower only to discover 'it's a boy'! CHOP. Clones of course LOVE the racks as the lights from each rack below generate a small amount of heat and help with cloning, no heater pads needed. I use the T-8 bulbs as they're only 1" in dia, and are also high light output, low energy draw. Have 4 of those shelving racks on veg now with four , 4ft bulbs per fixture and 4 fixtures per rack for a grand total of 16 fixtures and 2048 watts in veg. I don't need MH for veg as they just add alot of heat. While you do get some extra light coverage in spectrum, my babies have never shown problems. I use EYE Hortilux Super HPS 1000 watters in flower side and they are the way to go for flower, IMO.

watch out for the hoods for one..if you want to concerrate light use smaller hoods. just because there big doesnt mean there good.. just cuz you got a big penis doesnt mean you can fuck good!
haha.. I would go soil if i was you because that is gonna be alot of tedious things you gotta do.. only a suggestion tho.. its easy and does the job.. but if you got the money i would say go DWC for sure..or bubbleponics. I use 8-bulb T5s and they work good i think ..(look at my room setup) 8 oz. i think is not gonna happen bro realisticly..but if so your killing it mang!

placement of ur lights has got to perfect brake room into 4x4 grow area's u can run 2 just buy a light rack they come in diff sizes and move the light back and forth so u can grow more plants with less light and less kwts going out the door and t-5 work great just keep very close to plants 2in to 4in. In soil i veg for about 60 days and flower keep soil lite and fluffy. I only use bat guano mex for veg and jam for flower and have gottin great results for years outdoor now indoor and i feed the same way. I like to keep it simple/cheap and get great return!!!!!!Works for me.

Go on Sunleaves.com and check out their T5. It's wide in variety with the quality you'll find fits.

Sakca said:

Go on Sunleaves.com and check out their T5. It's wide in variety with the quality you'll find fits.

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Your thinking Sunleaves over Sunlight Supply? I looked at their website, looks apples to apples, what your take? Thx SG

sgfromdenver said:

Your thinking Sunleaves over Sunlight Supply? I looked at their website, looks apples to apples, what your take? Thx SG

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what's wrong with just using a 400w with a sunmaster mh cool deluxe bulb...what we use and find them to be great for seedlings and starters.

With a $15k plus investment I would stop by the hydro store on 2nd and Broadway and talk with maybe a guy named Keenan and get him to look your space and lay you out in the right direction (he usually charges a fee for this but its well worth it..mistakes cost money and time) plus if you order all the supplies from them you could get a 15% discount I would imagine. Don't forget to flush your damn girls so many of these new growers in CO are pretty clueless and the buds there selling look good but smoke like horse dung imo. You might also consider hooking up with someone like me to supply all your clones, saves you a bunch of work and time and trust me an operation set up like you have will eat your lunch...Have you figured out how long it will take to trim all that bud. Personally I like soil its alot less time consuming and a bit more forgiving. Save some money and don't bother covering the concrete floors.. Good luck bro!!

How the hell did you get 50 CG rights if you haven't grown in over 10 years? Any updates on the room?

or u can just get a greenhouse, heat it, some pots and soil and water and stuff....