Shrubs First
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Can't even open the door to my grow fully anymore. I was hoping for this.
Wall to wall, packed.
Wall to wall, packed.
1800 watts Sealed and CO2 Enriched."A Teachers Learning Process"
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Someguy15
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Hey bro I was about to stop at the store in a couple days and I was wondering you opinion on something. As you know I'm switching over to the Canna line, but I'm considering between the Rhizotonic and H&G Root Excelerator. I noticed that roots is about the same concentration based on recommended dosages, but have heard from numerous sources that it is the best root product on the market. Since your nute experienced, I was wondering which product you think would fit best in the Canna lineup? I wouldn't mind the roots excel for my veg area too (just use ionic grow there, cheap 1 part that works great for me) and I think it might be a little bit more cost effective in the end. Thanks a bunch man. -Sg15
-After looking a bit more I think the Rhizo would actually be a bit cheaper ($48 vs $76 per flower cycle). In veg is where the Roots wins as canna rhizo recommends 4x the dose in veg.
-After looking a bit more I think the Rhizo would actually be a bit cheaper ($48 vs $76 per flower cycle). In veg is where the Roots wins as canna rhizo recommends 4x the dose in veg.
Shrubs First
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The difference is Roots Excelurator is $75 or more for a 250 mL bottle. Rhizotonic is $65 for a Liter. That's
why I've never bothered doing the math, Roots Excel is a concentrate. And I never really go overboard with the
Rhizo, 8-10 mL/ gallon and I have bumpin roots Rhizo is a great help for raising pH as well, (although it's an expensive
pH up) it does a great job of balancing it out cause the A+B drop it pretty low, 4.8-5.2. Being that Rhizo is 1/4 of the cost,
it seems to be roughly even after adjusting for amount used. Have you ever used Humboldt Roots? Seems similar
to Roots Excel although it contains Mycorrhizae as well as Yucca and Quillaja Saponaria (both are cacti) and it is an amazing
root concentrate.
Shrubs First
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It's week 2 day 2 and they're 32 inches and counting.
Interestingly enough, I completely switched the two rear rows with my two front rows of plants. The plants
closest to the wall in back were growing the biggest and fastest, probably because of the reflection off the poly.
Anyway, I did a total mirror image of what it was before. This should help the other plants catch back up and also
it is better because the taller plants are now on the edge with no wall, catching more light that would have escaped.
Also, I took the time to stake these bigger front plants today, I will do the second half tomorrow. It has helped my spacing
for sure, as I am now able to have my plants slightly closer together.
They received a feeding of 1.6 EC today. 10 mL coco A /B per gallon, 10 mL CANNAzyme / Gal, 8 mL BOOST / Gal, 2 mL Mayan Microzyme / Gal, 1/2 tspoon Oregonism / Gal.
And yes, that is a coconut shell lei from Hawai'i hanging from my lights. I like to bring the spirit of the islands
to my plants anyway I can. =) Aloha
Interestingly enough, I completely switched the two rear rows with my two front rows of plants. The plants
closest to the wall in back were growing the biggest and fastest, probably because of the reflection off the poly.
Anyway, I did a total mirror image of what it was before. This should help the other plants catch back up and also
it is better because the taller plants are now on the edge with no wall, catching more light that would have escaped.
Also, I took the time to stake these bigger front plants today, I will do the second half tomorrow. It has helped my spacing
for sure, as I am now able to have my plants slightly closer together.
They received a feeding of 1.6 EC today. 10 mL coco A /B per gallon, 10 mL CANNAzyme / Gal, 8 mL BOOST / Gal, 2 mL Mayan Microzyme / Gal, 1/2 tspoon Oregonism / Gal.
And yes, that is a coconut shell lei from Hawai'i hanging from my lights. I like to bring the spirit of the islands
to my plants anyway I can. =) Aloha
Shrubs First
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36 inch average today, looks like they loved that 1.6 EC a few days ago. I'm gonna back off a little on my next feeding
before I begin giving them their PK additive.
Staked some more plants and used the rest of my stakes, may need to get more but I got the main colas for the most part.
Jungle Fever
Flowers are just beginning to show themselves, they will be ready for PK in a few days.
before I begin giving them their PK additive.
Staked some more plants and used the rest of my stakes, may need to get more but I got the main colas for the most part.
Jungle Fever
Flowers are just beginning to show themselves, they will be ready for PK in a few days.
TrynaGroSumShyt
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Why do you feel the need to back off a little on the nutes?
Shrubs First
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Since I haven't been getting run-off in the past 3 feedings or so I have to be very careful with my EC.
I fed 10 mL A+B / gallon last time. Think I'll drop it to 8 for this feeding, then raise it back up to 10
and begin adding my PK. This should max out my my EC at around 1.7 - 1.8.
TrynaGroSumShyt
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is ec as important as ph? and it is different that tds right?
Shrubs First
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EC stands for electrical conductivity, basically all positively and negatively charged ions (in this case we're
detecting dissolved fertilizer salts) conduct an electrical charge detected by the electrodes on our meters.
TDS is calculated based off EC. There are different scales for TDS and PPM, but EC always remains constant.
Some meters read 500ppm(referred to as tds) as 1.0 EC, some read 700ppm as 1.0 EC, and some are just straight up EC meters.
The EC value given is the constant and is what you are measuring as food for the plants.
EDIT:
You can do the conversion backwards if you have a ppm meter and want to know your EC value, thats what
I have to do. My meter tells me when I turn it on that it is on a .71 scale, basically that means that when my
meter reads 710 ppm I have a 1.0 EC, by doing a little math (1.0 / 710 = .0014), I figure out that all I have to do is take my PPM
on my meter, lets say I have a PPM of 1140 in my solution, I multiply that by .0014 and it gives me 1.59, basically
an EC of 1.6. Thats how I figure out my solution, if you're using a 500 scale meter you'd do your PPM x .002 = EC
Someguy15
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The fact that PPM meters even exist baffles me. Why convert something with a arbitrary (read, never accurate) formula that tries to estimate parts per million based on EC (diff salts, have diff ppms per EC hence inaccuracy) then have 3 scales so people are never sure wtf they are talking about lol Why can't we make it simple and use EC, one language, it's what the meter is actually reading, makes sense to me.
Shrubs First
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Decided to go with a 1.4 EC today, backed it off to 9 mL A+B / gallon.
Next 3-4 days they should finish their stretch and start asking for some PK, a request I shall satisfy.
Healthy 37 inches today.
Next 3-4 days they should finish their stretch and start asking for some PK, a request I shall satisfy.
Healthy 37 inches today.
Shrubs First
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Been a great couple of days since that last 1.4 feeding. Today I began giving them their
PK additive, since I'm all out of my PK 13/14 from CANNA and I wasn't in the mood to drive
to the hydro store I substituted Ginormous from Humboldt Nutrients, which is a 0-18-16.
10 mL Coco A + B / gallon and I eased them in to the PK additive, starting with only 1 mL / gallon.
I'll pick up the PK 13/14 and and bump it a up a bit over the next few feedings. My final EC was 1.7 today.
EDIT: They are breaking 40 inches, and some are hitting 41.
PK additive, since I'm all out of my PK 13/14 from CANNA and I wasn't in the mood to drive
to the hydro store I substituted Ginormous from Humboldt Nutrients, which is a 0-18-16.
10 mL Coco A + B / gallon and I eased them in to the PK additive, starting with only 1 mL / gallon.
I'll pick up the PK 13/14 and and bump it a up a bit over the next few feedings. My final EC was 1.7 today.
EDIT: They are breaking 40 inches, and some are hitting 41.
MEANGREEN69
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whats up shrubs the plants are looking great..i see your mini split there, ive been looking into them can you tell me any pros/cons about them? do they make alot of noise/viberate? also whats the size of the room and what size is the mini split? thanks.
Shrubs First
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As far as pros, they are the highest efficiency ACs you can use. With SEER (seasonal energy efficiency ratings) of over 95% efficiency. They are extremely quiet. No noise or vibrations. They allow you to run a sealed grow room because there is no air exchange. My room is about 8x10x8 and my AC is a 12,000 btu, I run 1800 watts plus my dehumidifier and I'm sure the AC could handle at least one or two more 600's.
For cons.. They are expensive, a solid unit will be around $1500.
Shrubs First
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Blowin up. They're all pretty much hittin that four foot mark and they seem to be super stable.
MEANGREEN69
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thanks for the info man.
Shrubs First
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I still have about 5 inches of space to move my lights up and the stretch is appearing to halt. They grew maybe a half
inch since yesterday where as they were growing 1-2 inches every day before. I'm lovin the canopy I've gotten, might be a little
too bushy horizontally though!