1st AeroGarden Grow

FoxCompany426

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I Have a few questions. I have just finished reading this thread and it has been very helpful. I am about to start my first ever grow. I have been doing all the research possible for the past month and I have been leaning towards the aeorgarden. It seems perfect for my closet. I have a couple questions if someone can help me out. How much play do I have when adjusting the hours on the lights? I keep seeing people run the aero with add. lighting, is this absolutely necessary? I will be growing the cinderella 99 X Deep Chunk strain if anyone has any experience with it I could use some help. Thanks to everyone, you have ben much help....:bigjoint:
More or less, the hours of light for vegging is basically a preference. Some people say 24/0 is good, others say 20/4 is good, and some say 18/6 is good. Personally, I switched from 20/4 to 18/6, and saw a noticeable difference in root and leaf growth (meaning more). Could be different for different strains. As with additional lighting, I recommend it. According to more experienced growers than me, additional lighting is necessary to achieve around an ounce per plant. Without, it is said to produce very minimal, as in a few grams per plant. This is my first grow too, so I know nothing of those strains, I barely know anything about mine except for flowering time.
 

FoxCompany426

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The more light the better but the aero will grow buds un-modified. However if you want lots of fat dense bud you need to mod the lights.as for the lighting hours,you can vegg plants with anywhere from 18-24 hours of lights on time .and flower with 12 or less hours of on time , these numbers are not set in stone but the standards... Hope this helps next time keep your ?s in your thread. Or a help thread :)
I'm not worried about people asking questions in my thread, it's open for anything. It helps me in learning as well. Good lookin' out though. I have this strange urge to call you winky... but I'm high. :eyesmoke:
 

purpdaddy

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fox,i would add atleast 2 150w replacement cfls per plant.u can get the V fitting to put in the socket to put 2 bulbs in one fixture.Very effective.Im taking th AG hood completely off and hanging a 400w hid setup above them.ive grown with cfls and hid,hid will penetrate so you dont need all those lights.Start off with the cfls for learning experience abd theb i would look into hid lighting.you just need one fixtuer,2 bulbs.one for veg and one for bloom.cant get more easier than that!PuRp
 

warlock22

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I apologize for coming into your thread. Its just that I have had My thread out for days and people will read it but no one will reply to it, and you guys are helpful. so I wanna say thanks for answering my questions guys, you have been the only ones to help me. Thanks Foxcompany426 for allowing my to come into your thread. Ok so I have another question, with the light hours you guys are recommending, does the Aerogarden have diff. settings for 18/6, 12/12, 20/4? Or are you putting it on a timer? A bongsmilierip for my new friends......
 

purpdaddy

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I apologize for coming into your thread. Its just that I have had My thread out for days and people will read it but no one will reply to it, and you guys are helpful. so I wanna say thanks for answering my questions guys, you have been the only ones to help me. Thanks Foxcompany426 for allowing my to come into your thread. Ok so I have another question, with the light hours you guys are recommending, does the Aerogarden have diff. settings for 18/6, 12/12, 20/4? Or are you putting it on a timer? A bongsmilierip for my new friends......
no, the best way to that is with a light timer,you can turn the lights on and off when u want,they are on a schedule,but if you want 24/0,you just wait till they cut off and turn em back on and continue the process but i always use timers.Youll also need the AG upgrade kit for the lights and way more cfl's........here ...Read this.

Lumens Per Square Foot
To determine how many lumens per square foot you have, find out the square footage of your space by multiplying the width and depth. Divide the lumens available by your square footage. This will give you lumens per square foot. For example, say your space is 3 feet deep by 4 feet wide, for a total of 12 square feet. The total lumens available from your light(s) is 45,000 lumens, which means you have 3,750 lumens per square foot.
Light Do I Need?
Technology has advanced so much in the last 15 years that we are constantly refining the process and updating what we know works best for growing. Current theory holds that the minimum amount of lighting needed to sustain growth is around 2,000 lumens per square foot. Mid range is around 5,000 lumens per square foot. Optimal is 7,000 to 7,500 or higher lumens per square foot.
 
How much light is needed for growing?

The answer depends on if you are growing small plants, in a small space, or large plants, and have a larger space to grow in. I'll try to answer this "in general" instead of being specific to one size plant.
Light seen and perceived with the human eye is measured in Lumens. There is an ideal amount of lumens for growing and a minimum amount of lumens. The very minimum amount of light required for smaller sized plants grown in the SH System is around 3000 lumens per square foot. Let me put emphasis on "minimum amount" of light. However, that's not 100% exactly accurate, since although you may have a 10,000 lumen light, the amount of light that reaches the plant varies with the distance between the light and plants, and the reflectivity of the grow area. The ideal amount is somewhere around 7000-10,000 lumens per square foot for average sized plants. As long as the plants do not show burn, as much light can be used as you want to use. (Note, the sun produces about 10,000 lumens per square foot, on a sunny mid summer day).

Determining lumens for your grow area:
First determine the square footage of your area (example in a 4 foot by 4 foot area, there is 16 square feet) If you have a 1000 Watt High Pressure Sodium Light Bulb, that produces approximately 107,000 lumens. Divide this by 16 (your square footage) 107,000 divided by 16 = 6687 lumens per square foot. So just divide the total amount of Lumens, by the total amount of square feet, and that's your lumens per square foot.

How far away from my plants do the lights go?
The lights in your grow room should be as close as possible to the plants without burning them. There is no such thing as too much light, unless there is overly sufficient heat to dry out and burn the leaves. A good rule is to put your hand under the light, if its too hot for your hand, chances are that the plants will be too hot too, so move the light up until your hand feels more comfortable. For seedlings or sprouts, I keep them a little further away from the light, because they are very susceptible to burning and drying out, at these young stages.

How do I decide which lights to use?
Efficiency is very important when choosing a type of light. The wattage is not the most important thing, different types of light produce different amounts of lumens per watt. For example, a 300 watt incandescent will produce about 5100 lumens. (not that you can grow with incandescent bulbs) While a 300 watt Metal Halide (just an example, they do not come in 300 watts), will produce 27,000 lumens. Obviously far more efficient for growing, while still using the same amount of electricity.

Approximate light production:
Incandescents: 17 lumens/watt
Mercury vapor: 45-50 lumens/watt
Fluorescents: 60-70 lumens/watt
Metal halide: 90 lumens/watt
High pressure sodium: 107 lumens/watt


Incandescent lights: Incandescent bulbs are the most popular type of lights in the world. They may come advertised as incandescent, tungsten, quartz, halogen, or simply standard. The important thing about incandescent bulbs when it come to growing is simply this: they suck. Using incandescent bulbs to grow plants is like trying to flag down the Space Challenger with a burnt out match! You can do it, but it won't work. There are some incandescents which are sold as "grow lights." They usually have a blue coating and usually come in 60W and 120W sizes. While they may seem like a good choice to new growers, they are next to useless; they produce some light at a usable spectrum, but only have about a 5% efficiency and generate more heat than usable light. Most of us have these in our homes right now. Don't use them for growing, instead opt for a Compact Fluorescent as a cheaper but more efficient alternative.

Fluorescent lights: Fluorescents are far more useful than incandescents. They are efficient enough, and much less expensive than HID (High Intensity Discharge) lights. Compact fluorescent tubes, (commonly called CFLs) are popular with growers because of their good output to size ratio. Compared to standard 4 foot tubes, CFLs are smaller, more easily moved, and more can fit into a smaller given area. CFLs are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and the small wattage ones (23, 42 and 65) are very widely available. Fluorescent lights come in many different Kelvin (spectrum or color) ratings; often the spectrums are labeled on packaging as being 'cool white' or 'warm white.' Cool white is more blue, and is good for the vegetative stages of growth. The bulbs are ultra white. Warm white light is more reddish in spectrum, and is best for the flowering stage. The bulbs are almost cream colored.

Color rating - Measured in Kelvin (K). The higher the number, the more bluish the light. 4000K-7000K is mostly on the blue side of the spectrum for Vegging or GROWING, while 3000K and under goes from a white spectrum, to a redder spectrum and is best for BLOOMING or FLOWERING.


High Intensity Discharge (HID) Lighting Systems:

Mercury Vapor (MV)
Mercury vapor lights are not the most efficient light for growing. They are very bright, and relatively cheap. They do emit light at the wavelengths necessary to support your plants growth, but not nearly as good as a MH or HPS light. Much of the light emitted by MV lights is bluish-white. Street lighting is what most MV lighting is used for.

Metal Halide (MH)
Metal halide lighting systems are optimal for use in the vegetative phase of growing. They emit mostly blue light, which encourages vigorous growth of foliage. They are very efficient, but can get rather expensive to start with; fluorescents may seem more appealing because of their lower price, and they are not much different when compared on a lumen-to-lumen cost level. These lights can be used through-out the grow, but leave a lot to be desired in the BLOOM stage.

High Pressure Sodium (HPS)
High pressure sodium lights emit mostly orange, yellow, and red spectrum light, which is perfect for the flowering stage of the plants growth. They are (in my opinion) the most efficient type of light available for any application if you are not on a budget and can vent the grow area for heat. HPS lights can be used through-out the entire grow. They produce more dense and usually larger flowers or fruit than any other light. HPS lights are generally a little more expensive than MH systems of similar wattage. They are more commonly used by experienced commercial growers because of their ability to produce tighter denser flowers, higher lumen-output-per-watt, and will produce from start to finish.

Just like everything else, available grow lights are evolving. Remember how the sun produces 10,000 lumens per square foot in the mid-summer. Well, today 3 105 watt CFLs in a good reflector can actually duplicate those lumens with CFLs. If you can not grow under the sun, then bring the sun inside. Yes, you can have 20,000 lumens covering the entire grow space of one of the SH systems now with their new 105 watt per bulb CFLs. Three of these bulbs in the proper reflector actually yields 20,000 lumens.
Comparing prices to lumens, and sticking to CFLS, you can not do any better.
I always want to repeat that HID lights are much much better for growing, but they cost more and produce much more heat. CFLs are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and the small wattage ones (23, 42 and 65) are very widely available, even at Walley World, Lows and Home Depot.
You can run
hps light through both stages of growth (ok).
mh light through both stages of growth (ok).
run a mh light through the veg phase of growth followed by hps light through flowering (very good).
run both mh and hps light through both stages of growth (best).
When given the choice of only one light, most marijuana growers will choose an hps grow light over mh, because hps lights are more efficient (larger harvest).
You can't use a standard high pressure sodium bulb in a metal halide fixture, but you can use a metal halide bulb in a high pressure sodium fixture of the same wattage.
There are special hps bulbs that can be used in a mh fixture and vice-versa. But these conversion bulbs cost about double the price of a standard bulb.
A 250 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 2.5 foot by 2.5 foot grow area. (6 plants or less)
A 400 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 4 foot by 4 foot grow area. (12 plants or less)
A 600 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 5 foot by 5 foot grow area. (18 plants or less)
A 1000 watt fixture will supply enough light to cover a 6.5 foot by 6.5 foot grow area. (30 plants or less)
In order for the heat produced by a light system not to harm the plant, a 250 watt light system should be started 18 to 30 inches above the tops of the plants, a 400 watt light system should be started 3 to 4 feet above the tops of the plants
Whatever your light source, replace bulbs after 6 to 12 months of use. If the light is on 24 hours a day replace it after 6 months. If the light is on 18 hours a day replace it after 9 months. If the light is on 12 hours a day replace it after 12 months.
The hydroponic system is working and the plants have two or more sets of leaves. Remove the fluorescent lighting then install and adjust the height of your metal halide or high pressure sodium fixture.
When you first start the metal halide or high pressure sodium light the distance from the top of the plants to the light source should be started at the following height and lowered daily until you find an optimal distance:
18 to 30 inches for 250 watt light
3 to 4 feet for 400 watt light
4 to 5 feet for 600 watt light
5 to 6 feet for 1000 watt light
 

warlock22

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Thanks Purpdaddy, that was very useful, What is your opingion on A Bubbleponics system from stealthhydroponics.com? They seem like a very nice set up with better lights than an aerogarden and even cheaper....
 

purpdaddy

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Thanks Purpdaddy, that was very useful, What is your opingion on A Bubbleponics system from stealthhydroponics.com? They seem like a very nice set up with better lights than an aerogarden and even cheaper....
yes it is a very useful system,low maintenance bu u can build one just as cheap with ur own lil tweaks..thats what im doin....check out my thread in my sig ,afghan kush and durban poison,they were growin in a BP system but i use HID lighting so i didnt get their lighting.Check it out,very useful info in there and look at how beatiful they were growing before they got STOLE!peaCE
 

FoxCompany426

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fox,i would add atleast 2 150w replacement cfls per plant.u can get the V fitting to put in the socket to put 2 bulbs in one fixture.Very effective.Im taking th AG hood completely off and hanging a 400w hid setup above them.ive grown with cfls and hid,hid will penetrate so you dont need all those lights.Start off with the cfls for learning experience abd theb i would look into hid lighting.you just need one fixtuer,2 bulbs.one for veg and one for bloom.cant get more easier than that!PuRp
Yeah man, exactly what I was thinking of doing. I can't find any bigger than 100 w daylights around here, but I did find some 2700K 300 watters at lowes. I plan on getting an HPS 250w with digital ballast in a 2x2x5.3 grow tent that I ordered. gonna grow like 2 or 3 plants. later gonna get another grow tent, or if I buy a house soon, just dedicate a whole room to it, haha. Thanks purp, always a help.
 

purpdaddy

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Yeah man, exactly what I was thinking of doing. I can't find any bigger than 100 w daylights around here, but I did find some 2700K 300 watters at lowes. I plan on getting an HPS 250w with digital ballast in a 2x2x5.3 grow tent that I ordered. gonna grow like 2 or 3 plants. later gonna get another grow tent, or if I buy a house soon, just dedicate a whole room to it, haha. Thanks purp, always a help.
youll have better results with a 400w. setup that will penetrate. the to get to the lower leaves
 

purpdaddy

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I know, I just don't know how well that's gonna stay cool in the limited space that I have.
u have to improvise with ducting,fans and the proper ventilation so air can pass in and out,you wont have a prob with it staying cool,heat woulod be the issue,but those grow tents,which i am fixing to order,have pre cut holes and to allow proper airflow in and out!Which one did u order fox?
 

FoxCompany426

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Alright everyone, help me out here. My leaves are starting to develop little brown discolored spots. Not very many, but has progressively gotten more in the past few days. I've been looking around trying to figure out what is wrong, but I haven't found anything. Any ideas?

P.S. The last one is what my roots are lookin like now.
 

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FoxCompany426

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u have to improvise with ducting,fans and the proper ventilation so air can pass in and out,you wont have a prob with it staying cool,heat woulod be the issue,but those grow tents,which i am fixing to order,have pre cut holes and to allow proper airflow in and out!Which one did u order fox?
I ordered the GrowLab 60. 2x2x5.3. Heard good things about it, the air vents are sinchable so you can put smaller fans in if needed, got plenty of holes in it. here's a link http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemdesc.asp?ic=GRGL060&eq=&Tp=
 

purpdaddy

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you need to get a medicine dropper to measure the nutes more accurately! 1/8 of a teasp0on is very hard to measure!
 
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