1st attempt at scrog

crimsonecho said:

looked at your pics, first what you do is you start a journal and post your plants there so you can keep track of your progress.

second look up supercropping you are not so far into flowering and you can do it at any phase of growth basically without causing any problems to the plant.

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Thanks
Glad you can see them they bomb when I try to view.
I keep a journal in the vivosun program, and my text to my consultant contains a wealth of info.

I am off to find some cod making fish and chips for my kid he flys back to college tomorrow

progressing well and looking healthy. seeing more and more brown pistils everyday. especially the nl is getting close. it should be done in a couple of weeks hopefully. i also topdressed them yesterday for the last time for all except the destroyer. that one has a long way to go still so it will get more. but as also it gets closer i’m shifting gradually from ewc-manure-bat guano to just manure-bat guano mix.



and some malawi x nl, malawi x dinachem and malawi x destroyer crosses happening here. its been 5-6 days since i hit them with pollen i’ll probably do another round in a week on the same lower branches. just looking to get 30-40 seeds of each cross.

Very nice mate, great stuff!

Star Dog said:

Very nice mate, great stuff!

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thanks man i grow ok when i‘m not lazy haha

Looks good

sadly one dinachem on the far right got taken down today. i noticed some buds drying on the plant. this is a problem i encountered before but never was able to pinpoint the reason. this time i’m 99% sure its root rot bc after i noticed these dried flowers i realized this pots drainage holes also got clogged by microbial colonies. no water was draining so i opened a hole on the side of the pot and about 25L of water gushed out from the pot. for reference i give them 6L every 2 days. thats about 3 waterings worth of water just drowning the plants. well live and learn.

i was gonna let the tops go another 2 weeks but under these conditions i harvested that one completely. it had probably 10-12 dried out flowers here and there but i couldnt risk missing one and having it get moldy and contaminate the whole tent. the other one in the same pot just had 2-3 dry flowers so i’m keeping it going under close watch.

also checked the biggest colas of other gals for mold and havent found anything. so i’m 99% sure this is not mold at all but root rot. this used to happen to me with my cannalope haze too just random flowers here and there would completely dry out and i never was sure about why it happened. it would never spread to other plants either. i think finally the mystery solved. cost me probably half of my yield on this one plant and definitely some quality regarding ripeness but now hopefully i can avoid this in the future just by checking my pots for if they have proper drainage or not.

other than that i cant complain. NL is coming up just so beautiful and frosty with very dense beautiful nugs with artifical grape flavor. rubbing the trics is like opening a can of grape soda. never had this grape notes so pronounced on my NLs this one is a keeper.


the other dinachem pot is as frosty as it can get and all pistils are turning brown if everything goes well in 2 weeks i can harvest the tops on them hopefully. maybe 3 we’ll see.


destroyer also progressing real well the mains on that one are really just extremely fat and they havent even began ripening yet. i am doing something very right with her this round wish i knew what it was lmao.


this is the stage the problem dinachem got harvested at and its a damn shame too so powerful gas and chemical smell its very overpowering and sticky as hell. i wish i saw it ripen properly. well at least her malawi babies are still growing on one branch i left so hopefully i’ll have a malawi cross from her.

crimsonecho said:

its still early to say if it will work as i hoped it would. i’m afraid i’m gonna need to get the yoyos out for one dinachem and the destroyer as the colas above the net are atm at least 50cm high. so i am sure i’ll get a lot of lean late in flower but keeping my fingers crossed.

as for learning curves man i’m proud to say i’ve never finished this destroyer looking even remotely beautiful and healthy lmao. dinas and northern lights will look ok when the harvest time comes but destroyer will be a trainwreck again for sure

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I can tell you where you went wrong for next time. You waited to long to flip to flower. I only fill the screen maybe 50-60% full before flipping to avoid the need of 2nd screen or yoyos. Looks great though definitely well on the path of scrogging.

SofaKingHigh_ said:

I can tell you where you went wrong for next time. You waited to long to flip to flower. I only fill the screen maybe 50-60% full before flipping to avoid the need of 2nd screen or yoyos. Looks great though definitely well on the path of scrogging.
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yeah your setup looks nice too i‘m gonna move out of tents soon i absolutely decided that tents are restricting me too much.

as for flipping late it was a whole mess there because of the multi strains in the same net and not actually starting off as a scrog grow but changing my mind after i already trained them by tying topping etc but i cant say i am disappointed. i’m only disappointed about this root rot business which i didnt caught on time because i just cant reach to the far right corner of this tent as i like to as that side is just blocked by a wall.

i’m in the process of visualizing the room in my mind atm and then when i decide how it should be i’ll start drawing some plans and just go with it in a couple of months hopefully.

crimsonecho said:

yeah your setup looks nice too i‘m gonna move out of tents soon i absolutely decided that tents are restricting me too much.

as for flipping late it was a whole mess there because of the multi strains in the same net and not actually starting off as a scrog grow but changing my mind after i already trained them by tying topping etc but i cant say i am disappointed. i’m only disappointed about this root rot business which i didnt caught on time because i just cant reach to the far right corner of this tent as i like to as that side is just blocked by a wall.

i’m in the process of visualizing the room in my mind atm and then when i decide how it should be i’ll start drawing some plans and just go with it in a couple of months hopefully.

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You pulled it together well man nice work. Grow room always trumps tents. You won’t regret switching

SofaKingHigh_ said:

You pulled it together well man nice work. Grow room always trumps tents. You won’t regret switching

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hope so. i’m just gonna section off the room with drywall and basically double the area of this tent and get rid of my 2 2x2 in the room. gonna use them for veg and clones while in this 4x9 area just gonna do perpetual flower in either airpot beds of these 20gallon plastic pots. i’m working on how to best design it so no smell escapes while maintaining reasonable temps and humidity and i’m probably gonna use this old 4x4 to just dry in the same room with a temp and humidity controller setup to control the fan. i’m excited tbh.

yeah all is well atm. couldnt find any mold or more dead flowers. so i’m happy about that. although there was a small blackout recently which happened while i was sleeping so it caused the humidity to spike to 75%. this late in flower big no no. well it was just for a couple of minutes as the blackout couldnt have been longer than 15-20mins. still keeping a close watch.

also noticed destroyer is yellowing at the fan leaves on the top at an alarming rate. last tuesday was its topdress day but i skipped eventhough i said i will not haha i see some pistils are already browning and i always topdress with very generous amount of manure ewc and guano mixture when i do topdress so there should be ample amount of nutrients in that soil. still after i see the yellowing i gave it some liquid ewc, liquid guano and kelp extract with 1/2 tsp of fulvic acid lol.

i’m not very concerned about it overall because its pretty healthy and frosty and gaining weight.

i also took some tester tops from the NL because they just look so delicious i wanna try. they are drying atm and very soon i’ll harvest all the tops probably. definiton of nuggets, frosty as f, dense and heavy. perfect pheno for bag appeal i’ve yet to try the high though

remaining dinas are also doing pretty well i’m just waiting for them to swell up more and add bulk which shouldnt take more than a couple of weeks.

lights are now at 10hrs on 14hrs off. undercanopy temps 24°C and humidity 35-38%.

when i flipped i started off with 14hrs light 10hrs dark and they all transitioned pretty well under that schedule though the stretch phase was longer under this schedule growth was also better. and after bud set i switched to 12hrs on and now for the last weeks i’m gonna go with 10hrs on.

anyway stay crunchy see you on the flip side and all that jazz lol

just harvesting tops little by little at this point as i’m gonna have to wait for the destroyer to finish anyway. so no rush. i even harvest only the upper 1-2 nodes on the nl because its just ripening somewhat strangely.

on dinas i’m going deeper like very decent sized nugs and i leave the rest for a little while longer. well anyway it really helps with the pain in the ass that is trimming hundreds of grams of buds in one night lol.

smells are terrific on the dinas. extremely pronounced very gassy with some earthy fungal smell and even some lower notes of citrus. just terrific. its still one of the best weed i ever grew and smoked. in the top 3.

as i suspected nl only lets out its smell when you grind it and the high is a little different than i expected. much more in the head rather than a body stone. overall starts as a very feel good weed happy and giggly and then ofc eyelids start dropping after an hour. not bad but i think i can even do better so i popped a couple more seeds. 2 already poked their heads out of the soil. hopefully more will follow for the next run.

i cant even start with the destroyer. its a very special very finicky very refined gal. i’m defoliating it daily as i now understand that its just what it does it just drops her leaves at the end of its cycle. always thought maybe i‘m fucking up somewhere along the way but this grow was as uneventful as it gets and it still dropping leaves so i guess its just destroyer. so i pick those leaves off daily which makes post dry trimming a breeze haha.

so overall all is fine and thanks for dropping by.

we are at that phase where everything turns yellow on the destroyer. buds are very nice and frosty just took some testers from the tops. also been harvesting the other gals every week till destroyer finishes. so business as usual.

crimsonecho said:

we are at that phase where everything turns yellow on the destroyer. buds are very nice and frosty just took some testers from the tops. also been harvesting the other gals every week till destroyer finishes. so business as usual.
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Well done with the destroyer and thanks for posting it up. Do mind if I pick your brain about it a bit? I picked up a pack of f2's a little while back but haven't found much info about it.

SchmoeJoe said:

Well done with the destroyer and thanks for posting it up. Do mind if I pick your brain about it a bit? I picked up a pack of f2's a little while back but haven't found much info about it.

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sure what do you want to know about if?

crimsonecho said:

sure what do you want to know about if?

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I'm mostly curious about what kind of finishing times and other variations you saw if you did your own pheno hunt from seed?

SchmoeJoe said:

I'm mostly curious about what kind of finishing times and other variations you saw if you did your own pheno hunt from seed?

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i wouldnt say a pheno hunt but i started with 10 seeds and 9 popped one was kinda of a mutant if memory serves correct but the remaining 8 was pretty uniform with minimal variation.

finishing time for all were around 12 weeks. when i go over 13-14 i generally i see trichome degradation and loss of smell. so basically if i dont take it down around the phase you see in the last photos big quality drop.

also it just fades very strongly on its own no matter how much i feed. it’ll most likely look abysmal by the end of its cycle haha. thats why i dont defol hard because after 9weeks it just starts shedding very hard so i keep as many leaves as i can from start to finish.

doesnt like high N and strong feeds that much either. easily shows toxicity.

this is my experience with this cultivar after maybe 10 cycles with it. finicky one but the high is definitely worth it for me.

crimsonecho said:

i wouldnt say a pheno hunt but i started with 10 seeds and 9 popped one was kinda of a mutant if memory serves correct but the remaining 8 was pretty uniform with minimal variation.

finishing time for all were around 12 weeks. when i go over 13-14 i generally i see trichome degradation and loss of smell. so basically if i dont take it down around the phase you see in the last photos big quality drop.

also it just fades very strongly on its own no matter how much i feed. it’ll most likely look abysmal by the end of its cycle haha. thats why i dont defol hard because after 9weeks it just starts shedding very hard so i keep as many leaves as i can from start to finish.

doesnt like high N and strong feeds that much either. easily shows toxicity.

this is my experience with this cultivar after maybe 10 cycles with it. finicky one but the high is definitely worth it for me.

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Awesome, thanks, I couldn't have asked for a better report. How's the high from your keeper?

SchmoeJoe said:

Awesome, thanks, I couldn't have asked for a better report. How's the high from your keeper?

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very focused and energetic. kinda high which makes you clean your house or start building a shed for your garden. my friends with adhd call this medicine and swear its better than what doctors prescribed for them.

doesnt lack a giggly euphoric side either you can definitely enjoy socializing or watching a movie. on the socializing side though you may experience slight paranoia and distrust in people but nothing serious

not a night smoke for sure bc it will not let you sleep. also experienced hangover effects the next day somewhat frequently.

all in all though very clear and premium sativa effects. one of my all time favorites.

crimsonecho said:

very focused and energetic. kinda high which makes you clean your house or start building a shed for your garden. my friends with adhd call this medicine and swear its better than what doctors prescribed for them.

doesnt lack a giggly euphoric side either you can definitely enjoy socializing or watching a movie. on the socializing side though you may experience slight paranoia and distrust in people but nothing serious

not a night smoke for sure bc it will not let you sleep. also experienced hangover effects the next day somewhat frequently.

all in all though very clear and premium sativa effects. one of my all time favorites.

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Awesome, thanks again.