I have 2 distinct phenos of VK, named "Fuzzy" and "Wuzzy". Out of all the clones I took, exactly two survived, and they were looking almost dead. As a last ditch effort I put them in cups of hydroton and fed them Botanicare "Liquid Karma" (no reason, it's the only really lite thing I had, and I was out of ideas.) They sprang to life and gave me a mother plant of each VK pheno. I'll post a VK grow report on this with pix soon.