1st time guerilla grow questions

SG420

SG420

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hey everyone. i'd like to preface this by saying im planning on doing my very first guerrilla grow here in a few months. i plan on growing 6 photoperiods in 20 gallon smart pots. (120 gallons = 16 cubic ft of soil) i imagine this is going to be very expensive seeing that i have to order EVERYTHING online. i am looking to not go over a budget of 400$. i have no clue how realistic that goal is. with being a beginner i also have some questions below.

1. how do i import water to my grow site? there are no creeks/streams nearby. i was thinking about investing in a 50 gallon drum, digging a huge hole, burying the majority of the drum, and taking out water as i need to. the problem with this is i would have to be a mule and make several several trips on foot to fill it up. also i know 50 gallons is going to be used up very fast once the plants get pretty big. i really don't know what to do about this is there an easier alternative?

2. im worried about an over excess of rain and storms. (say i water my plants earlier, its nice and sunny out, hours down the road they get heavily rained on) don't know what to do in those scenarios?

3. how often do i need to water my plants and how can i tell when they need water?

4. i dont want to overcomplicate things as a beginner.. i don't want to read a giant book on microorganisms and benefits and what not. i just want to keep things simple as a first time grower and still end up with nice potent buds/gr8 yields. how would i go about this? (keep in mind my budget) also things like amending soil, ratios of amendments, npk ratios, compost, compost teas, how often to give them compost teas, how often to spray with neem etc all really confuse me. (hence not wanting to overcomplicate things) how much of the above really necessary? (i would like to just buy pre amended organic soil online but i have heard on here that its cheaper to buy amendments and make your own soil)

5. there are so many factors that can fuck your grow up when it comes to outdoor growing. deer, wild animals, slugs, bugs, storms, etc. is there an idiot-proof way to ensure my grow will survive the elements and animals to see the light of day? (harvest time)

6. (similar to question 5) i can't/don't have room in my house for a mini grow room to start the seeds off in to make sure they have a bit of a head start and can get use to the outdoors: meaning i have to start them as seeds outside. literally so much could go wrong with them being so tiny. how do i ensure they have a higher survival rate being started outdoors?

7. should i start them off as seeds in the 20 gallon pots or is there some magical benefit to starting them off in smaller pots, then transplanting them into 20 gallons?

8. i don't know how realistic getting big yields as a beginner is but if possible i want to try and yield as MUCH as possible. the problem with it being a guerilla grow is that the taller they are the riskier it is of them being seen from above. is it possible to train them someway to grow a bit shorter without sacrificing yield? (probably not going to grow sativas because they are generally taller)

9. i am aware of the many many forms of training. manifold/mainlining, lst, hst, lollipopping, supercropping (you guys know) for a beginner not looking to put in a humungous amount of work as a first time grower, what method do you recommend i try out for highest yield. (keep in mind question 8 about not wanting them to get really tall)

10. i know that if start my grow right very early in the season then they will easily grow to their full potential in the 20 gallon pots. is this fine starting them so early or would there be any benefit to starting them off in like june?

thats all i can think of right now but basically just worried about fucking my grow up as a beginner and would really like to know the cheapest way i can fill up 6 20 gallon smart pots. (and an idiot-proof set of guidelines to help my plants make it until harvest with big yields and potent buds) thank you all who took the time to read.
 
too larry

too larry

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1. Build a raincatcher with tarps. A bigger, heavy duty tarp as a tank, and a smaller one as a collector. Tie the corners of the tank tarp to good sized bushes or small trees. Water weighs 8 pounds a gallon.

2. If you plant in the ground it will take less water, and deal with too much water better.

3. In the ground they need water at least once a week if it doesn't rain. More often in pots.

4. If you have a mushroom farm near you, the spent media is real cheap. I use it in my soil mix. Also save your coffee grounds, or get some from breakfast places near you.

5. They make stinky stuff to scare off deer. Slug bait, etc, etc. But the main thing is to spray with Neem oil to keep all the bad stuff at bay. Too many bad bugs to list. You will have to stop the Neem 2nd week of flower, or it will stink up your buds.

6/7. Start in solo cups. Keep under screen in the yard or somewhere you can check on them the first few days. Add dirt as it packs down. In a couple three weeks they will be ready to transplant. Start twice to three times what you plan on growing.

8/9. Top and LOB {lean over baby}. It will increase yield.

10. Starting photos too early will lead to early flower. Remember it is the length of the dark that triggers flowering, so if you want to manipulate light, it's the length of the dark period. If artificial light is not an option, you will have to wait until it's safe for the strain you are growing to go outside. Plants reach sexual maturity at 4-6 weeks, so after that, if the nights are too long, they will flower.

Good luck.
 
thumper60

thumper60

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SG420 said:
hey everyone. i'd like to preface this by saying im planning on doing my very first guerrilla grow here in a few months. i plan on growing 6 photoperiods in 20 gallon smart pots. (120 gallons = 16 cubic ft of soil) i imagine this is going to be very expensive seeing that i have to order EVERYTHING online. i am looking to not go over a budget of 400$. i have no clue how realistic that goal is. with being a beginner i also have some questions below.

1. how do i import water to my grow site? there are no creeks/streams nearby. i was thinking about investing in a 50 gallon drum, digging a huge hole, burying the majority of the drum, and taking out water as i need to. the problem with this is i would have to be a mule and make several several trips on foot to fill it up. also i know 50 gallons is going to be used up very fast once the plants get pretty big. i really don't know what to do about this is there an easier alternative?

2. im worried about an over excess of rain and storms. (say i water my plants earlier, its nice and sunny out, hours down the road they get heavily rained on) don't know what to do in those scenarios?

3. how often do i need to water my plants and how can i tell when they need water?

4. i dont want to overcomplicate things as a beginner.. i don't want to read a giant book on microorganisms and benefits and what not. i just want to keep things simple as a first time grower and still end up with nice potent buds/gr8 yields. how would i go about this? (keep in mind my budget) also things like amending soil, ratios of amendments, npk ratios, compost, compost teas, how often to give them compost teas, how often to spray with neem etc all really confuse me. (hence not wanting to overcomplicate things) how much of the above really necessary? (i would like to just buy pre amended organic soil online but i have heard on here that its cheaper to buy amendments and make your own soil)

5. there are so many factors that can fuck your grow up when it comes to outdoor growing. deer, wild animals, slugs, bugs, storms, etc. is there an idiot-proof way to ensure my grow will survive the elements and animals to see the light of day? (harvest time)

6. (similar to question 5) i can't/don't have room in my house for a mini grow room to start the seeds off in to make sure they have a bit of a head start and can get use to the outdoors: meaning i have to start them as seeds outside. literally so much could go wrong with them being so tiny. how do i ensure they have a higher survival rate being started outdoors?

7. should i start them off as seeds in the 20 gallon pots or is there some magical benefit to starting them off in smaller pots, then transplanting them into 20 gallons?

8. i don't know how realistic getting big yields as a beginner is but if possible i want to try and yield as MUCH as possible. the problem with it being a guerilla grow is that the taller they are the riskier it is of them being seen from above. is it possible to train them someway to grow a bit shorter without sacrificing yield? (probably not going to grow sativas because they are generally taller)

9. i am aware of the many many forms of training. manifold/mainlining, lst, hst, lollipopping, supercropping (you guys know) for a beginner not looking to put in a humungous amount of work as a first time grower, what method do you recommend i try out for highest yield. (keep in mind question 8 about not wanting them to get really tall)

10. i know that if start my grow right very early in the season then they will easily grow to their full potential in the 20 gallon pots. is this fine starting them so early or would there be any benefit to starting them off in like june?

thats all i can think of right now but basically just worried about fucking my grow up as a beginner and would really like to know the cheapest way i can fill up 6 20 gallon smart pots. (and an idiot-proof set of guidelines to help my plants make it until harvest with big yields and potent buds) thank you all who took the time to read.
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find a swamp:bigjoint:
 
rob333

rob333

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SG420 said:
hey everyone. i'd like to preface this by saying im planning on doing my very first guerrilla grow here in a few months. i plan on growing 6 photoperiods in 20 gallon smart pots. (120 gallons = 16 cubic ft of soil) i imagine this is going to be very expensive seeing that i have to order EVERYTHING online. i am looking to not go over a budget of 400$. i have no clue how realistic that goal is. with being a beginner i also have some questions below.

1. how do i import water to my grow site? there are no creeks/streams nearby. i was thinking about investing in a 50 gallon drum, digging a huge hole, burying the majority of the drum, and taking out water as i need to. the problem with this is i would have to be a mule and make several several trips on foot to fill it up. also i know 50 gallons is going to be used up very fast once the plants get pretty big. i really don't know what to do about this is there an easier alternative?

2. im worried about an over excess of rain and storms. (say i water my plants earlier, its nice and sunny out, hours down the road they get heavily rained on) don't know what to do in those scenarios?

3. how often do i need to water my plants and how can i tell when they need water?

4. i dont want to overcomplicate things as a beginner.. i don't want to read a giant book on microorganisms and benefits and what not. i just want to keep things simple as a first time grower and still end up with nice potent buds/gr8 yields. how would i go about this? (keep in mind my budget) also things like amending soil, ratios of amendments, npk ratios, compost, compost teas, how often to give them compost teas, how often to spray with neem etc all really confuse me. (hence not wanting to overcomplicate things) how much of the above really necessary? (i would like to just buy pre amended organic soil online but i have heard on here that its cheaper to buy amendments and make your own soil)

5. there are so many factors that can fuck your grow up when it comes to outdoor growing. deer, wild animals, slugs, bugs, storms, etc. is there an idiot-proof way to ensure my grow will survive the elements and animals to see the light of day? (harvest time)

6. (similar to question 5) i can't/don't have room in my house for a mini grow room to start the seeds off in to make sure they have a bit of a head start and can get use to the outdoors: meaning i have to start them as seeds outside. literally so much could go wrong with them being so tiny. how do i ensure they have a higher survival rate being started outdoors?

7. should i start them off as seeds in the 20 gallon pots or is there some magical benefit to starting them off in smaller pots, then transplanting them into 20 gallons?

8. i don't know how realistic getting big yields as a beginner is but if possible i want to try and yield as MUCH as possible. the problem with it being a guerilla grow is that the taller they are the riskier it is of them being seen from above. is it possible to train them someway to grow a bit shorter without sacrificing yield? (probably not going to grow sativas because they are generally taller)

9. i am aware of the many many forms of training. manifold/mainlining, lst, hst, lollipopping, supercropping (you guys know) for a beginner not looking to put in a humungous amount of work as a first time grower, what method do you recommend i try out for highest yield. (keep in mind question 8 about not wanting them to get really tall)

10. i know that if start my grow right very early in the season then they will easily grow to their full potential in the 20 gallon pots. is this fine starting them so early or would there be any benefit to starting them off in like june?

thats all i can think of right now but basically just worried about fucking my grow up as a beginner and would really like to know the cheapest way i can fill up 6 20 gallon smart pots. (and an idiot-proof set of guidelines to help my plants make it until harvest with big yields and potent buds) thank you all who took the time to read.
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/canna-land-pt-1.979690/ follow this and u should be fine
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Guerilla grow?

Lose the grow pots. Too visible, dry out too fast.

Prep your holes well with things that help the soil retain moisture. Bits of rotted wood in your hole holds and slow releases water, so do manufactured water pellets. Use natural cover to create mulch, keeps it stealthy, helps retain water / prevents wind from drying things out.

Don't show anybody your plants. Ever. Wear a bigfoot mask or at least dull green clothes. Don't create trails, different approach to your area every time.

Do what Larry said and what Thumper said.
 
rockethoe

rockethoe

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1. Unless you live somewhere that is very dry over the season, it may be possible to let nature do her work here. keep the soil covered with a mulch to keep the moisture in the soil. this will help. (and also cut down on some pests.

2. Again unless you live in a moderately extreme climate it can be possible to let nature do her thing. in the soil it a lot more forgiving re: over/under watering than pots.

3. see above.

4. you don't want to overcomplicate things as a beginner, but knowledge brings power - and simplification. go hang out in the no till area of this site, and you will realise the more you know, the less you have to do.

5. The best thing here is to only plant them out at your site once they are fairly well established. many newbies loose their plants by planting them out when they are still really really tasty treats for slugs and other pests. You will still loose some.

6. hmmmm.. the best option is to find somewhere sheltered, warm, safe and light to start them off in solo cups or similar. south facing wind-sheltered roof top/balcony maybe?

7. One benefit of starting in small pots is that they are easier managed. you can move them about to get the best light, you can keep them up high away from slugs, they are just easier managed and worked.

8. topping, pruning, fimming. (bear in mind these techniques can lead to a later flowering)

9. top a few times.

10. you can plant late to keep the size down .
KISS, don't bother with the pots. dig holes add amendments and super soil/living compost. learn about no till. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER and the more you know, the less work you have to do.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Renfro said:
One may be able to automate watering via a hidden uphill reservoir filled with rain water and a blumat setup.
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Not a bad idea. Clear poly covered in leaves / forest debris is harder to spot from the ground and the air. Easier to carry in too. (Fuckin' helicopter douches...might be dating myself.)
 
Coloradoclear

Coloradoclear

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Good luck man . Outdoor can be difficult. If you have a lot of different areas you can plant, you might want to plant quite a few plants. All depends on your climate. I have know folks to float down a river and plant as they go . . . River banks slope to the river and water runs down them.
 
slash23

slash23

Active Member
SG420 said:
hey everyone. i'd like to preface this by saying im planning on doing my very first guerrilla grow here in a few months. i plan on growing 6 photoperiods in 20 gallon smart pots. (120 gallons = 16 cubic ft of soil) i imagine this is going to be very expensive seeing that i have to order EVERYTHING online. i am looking to not go over a budget of 400$. i have no clue how realistic that goal is. with being a beginner i also have some questions below.

1. how do i import water to my grow site? there are no creeks/streams nearby. i was thinking about investing in a 50 gallon drum, digging a huge hole, burying the majority of the drum, and taking out water as i need to. the problem with this is i would have to be a mule and make several several trips on foot to fill it up. also i know 50 gallons is going to be used up very fast once the plants get pretty big. i really don't know what to do about this is there an easier alternative?

2. im worried about an over excess of rain and storms. (say i water my plants earlier, its nice and sunny out, hours down the road they get heavily rained on) don't know what to do in those scenarios?

3. how often do i need to water my plants and how can i tell when they need water?

4. i dont want to overcomplicate things as a beginner.. i don't want to read a giant book on microorganisms and benefits and what not. i just want to keep things simple as a first time grower and still end up with nice potent buds/gr8 yields. how would i go about this? (keep in mind my budget) also things like amending soil, ratios of amendments, npk ratios, compost, compost teas, how often to give them compost teas, how often to spray with neem etc all really confuse me. (hence not wanting to overcomplicate things) how much of the above really necessary? (i would like to just buy pre amended organic soil online but i have heard on here that its cheaper to buy amendments and make your own soil)

5. there are so many factors that can fuck your grow up when it comes to outdoor growing. deer, wild animals, slugs, bugs, storms, etc. is there an idiot-proof way to ensure my grow will survive the elements and animals to see the light of day? (harvest time)

6. (similar to question 5) i can't/don't have room in my house for a mini grow room to start the seeds off in to make sure they have a bit of a head start and can get use to the outdoors: meaning i have to start them as seeds outside. literally so much could go wrong with them being so tiny. how do i ensure they have a higher survival rate being started outdoors?

7. should i start them off as seeds in the 20 gallon pots or is there some magical benefit to starting them off in smaller pots, then transplanting them into 20 gallons?

8. i don't know how realistic getting big yields as a beginner is but if possible i want to try and yield as MUCH as possible. the problem with it being a guerilla grow is that the taller they are the riskier it is of them being seen from above. is it possible to train them someway to grow a bit shorter without sacrificing yield? (probably not going to grow sativas because they are generally taller)

9. i am aware of the many many forms of training. manifold/mainlining, lst, hst, lollipopping, supercropping (you guys know) for a beginner not looking to put in a humungous amount of work as a first time grower, what method do you recommend i try out for highest yield. (keep in mind question 8 about not wanting them to get really tall)

10. i know that if start my grow right very early in the season then they will easily grow to their full potential in the 20 gallon pots. is this fine starting them so early or would there be any benefit to starting them off in like june?

thats all i can think of right now but basically just worried about fucking my grow up as a beginner and would really like to know the cheapest way i can fill up 6 20 gallon smart pots. (and an idiot-proof set of guidelines to help my plants make it until harvest with big yields and potent buds) thank you all who took the time to read.
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OK this is what I do ! It's very important. That you find a good spot with ok dirt and stelth from hunters . That's the most important part of it ! Hiding it from idiots who will still it . You don't want to grow your shit for someone else ! I usually dig a hole about the size of a truck hood for 2 plants about 18 inches deep and mix in good quality horse manure from a horse that eats alfalfa. This will help with every type of dirt you plant in. I pack it in in a army style duffle bag about 50 lbs of it dry . Not wet ! About 100 lbs per hole . I don't like using potng soil . Potting mix don't hold the plants up during strong winds and rain . I'd also make me.some.cages to put around them until they are about 2 ft or taller to keep deer of them when they mature deer won't bother them much . I don't know where you located but I'm in the southern USA not that far south I'm in the Tennessee Kentucky WV area . My biggest issue is ground hogs they will eat your shit to nothing ! If you have them in your area uay have to hunt and kill them! Nothing will stop a ground hog nothing ! I also made me a back pack for water I used a solar shower for camping it holds 3 gallon of water . I use miracle grow until budding them.switch over 2 a big bud powder . You can also fix your water and put ice in it if it's hot water plants late in the afternoon with as cold as water you can get it . Hope this helps and good luck .
 
R

rudyson

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1.) First thing like the above user mentioned you want your locations in an area NO ONE will find it. No point in growing plants just to have them stolen from you or worse, LEO gets involved. Do NOT tell a soul about what you are doing either as tempting as it may be. (I grew 5 plants in smart pots and they disappeared two weeks into flower. Never going back to that location). Ideally location gets full sun and easy access to water.

2.) I would not use smart pots if I were you unless you are going to have easy access to them which would mean near your house in a very rural location. Odds are this is not you. Like others said you may have to hike with water around up to three times per week and water is heavy as fuck. For an operation this small building complex irrigation that is well disguised is too much work. You want to find an area near a small lake/stream and plant them there. Smart pots are way too easy to spot too as I learned the hard way...

3.) I believe your budget is a little low at 400 for 20 plants. Quality genetics alone may cost around 10 a seed, and you want genetics that will finish in time depending on your location. You are also going to buy fem seeds to not waste any veg time/work. Then there is the soil amenities, quality dirt, other material/tool costs, it all adds up. Whatever amount you decide to spend I would recommend writing everything down so you can see the total cost that went into this project.

4.) Some thing that guerrilla growers routinely overlook is the harvest process. Do you have a room/place to hang 5-20 pounds of smelly wet cannabis for two weeks, and then cure for up to an additional month? Will this place have humidity/temperature control? Is there any reason a person may stumble upon this area during this time? How do you plan on transporting from site to dry room? No point in putting in all that work for nothing at the end of the season. Which brings me to my last point.

5.) You MUST plan for every little detail, every contingency, from seed to harvest. You MUST accept all the risks involved and plan for them accordingly as well. Know the local laws in your area so you completely understand the risk. My first two years were unsuccessful because I did not have a plan. Good luck to you.
 
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DoubleX5150

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If you have a dog, get a brush and start brushing the dog and gather up the loose strands. Sprinkle them around your plants area. It's a good repellent for deer and rabbits.
I had a nice 4 footer about decade ago and it was destroyed by wild animals.
 
SG420

SG420

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Thank you for the reply larry. Seen you in quite a few threads. I have a question regarding this statement "Starting photos too early will lead to early flower." How do I pick the right time for planting? Is there a way to go about this? (I don't have the option to start them indoors they will have to be planted outdoors after I germinate them indoors) Where I live i'd say its safe to plant in late march (depends) definitely april for sure though, and usually early october-end of september is when it starts getting too cold. I'm really new to this stuff so please explain everything to me like i'm 5 years old lol.
 
too larry

too larry

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SG420 said:
Thank you for the reply larry. Seen you in quite a few threads. I have a question regarding this statement "Starting photos too early will lead to early flower." How do I pick the right time for planting? Is there a way to go about this? (I don't have the option to start them indoors they will have to be planted outdoors after I germinate them indoors) Where I live i'd say its safe to plant in late march (depends) definitely april for sure though, and usually early october-end of september is when it starts getting too cold. I'm really new to this stuff so please explain everything to me like i'm 5 years old lol.
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You need to learn your local length of day. Use this site and plug in a town near you.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/atlanta

Remember that everywhere will be 12/12 on March 20th, the Spring Equinox. You do not want sexually mature plants that early, or they will flower. Most strains will flower with 13 to 13 1/2 hours of sunlight. And most strains will reach sexual maturity at 4-6 weeks. So you need to figure out when your length of day gets to 13 1/2 hours, then count backward from there 4-6 weeks for when to plant. But strains vary as to when they trigger. And even within strains, different phonos will flower at different times.

Using Atlanta as an example, there would be 13 1/2 hours length of day on April 30th. So 4 weeks before that would be April 2nd, 6 weeks, March 19th. I plant by the moon, so I would go to the Farmer's Almanac and pick a good above ground planting day during that period.

https://www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/gardening/

Some folks wait for 14 hours of sunlight, but i don't have that option. In spring and summer, the further south you are, the shorter your days are. {it's the opposite in Fall and Winter} My longest day is 14 hours 7 minutes, so I struggle with early flower every year.
 
too larry

too larry

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BarnBuster said:
and if you plant anywhere close to a tree line, remember that the sun angle in April is much different than in Augt/Sept. I learned this the hard way in the beginning
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That's a good point. You can go find out where the sun will be in the sky say on September 15th, but counting days backwards from the Winter Solstice {99 days}, and then counting the same amount forward. {if my math is right} You can go to your patches on April 1st, and where the sun is then, is where it will be on September 15th.

And always plant on the south facing side of cover.
 
ChocoKush

ChocoKush

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slash23 said:
OK this is what I do ! It's very important. That you find a good spot with ok dirt and stelth from hunters . That's the most important part of it ! Hiding it from idiots who will still it . You don't want to grow your shit for someone else ! I usually dig a hole about the size of a truck hood for 2 plants about 18 inches deep and mix in good quality horse manure from a horse that eats alfalfa. This will help with every type of dirt you plant in. I pack it in in a army style duffle bag about 50 lbs of it dry . Not wet ! About 100 lbs per hole . I don't like using potng soil . Potting mix don't hold the plants up during strong winds and rain . I'd also make me.some.cages to put around them until they are about 2 ft or taller to keep deer of them when they mature deer won't bother them much . I don't know where you located but I'm in the southern USA not that far south I'm in the Tennessee Kentucky WV area . My biggest issue is ground hogs they will eat your shit to nothing ! If you have them in your area uay have to hunt and kill them! Nothing will stop a ground hog nothing ! I also made me a back pack for water I used a solar shower for camping it holds 3 gallon of water . I use miracle grow until budding them.switch over 2 a big bud powder . You can also fix your water and put ice in it if it's hot water plants late in the afternoon with as cold as water you can get it . Hope this helps and good luck .
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What strains have you found that do great outdoor in your area?
 
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