2 hybrid Plants Big Bang and Super Bud (GH seed co.) issues with flowering. HELP!

Hey guys, so this is my second grow, and I'm currently about 5 weeks into flowering on my two strains Super Bud and Big Bang. They both were vegged for about 2 months, maybe even 2 months and a half, and are both about 2 1/2- 3 feet tall with a width of about 2-2 1/2 feet each.

I have 2 issues I'd like to address but before that I'll let you guys in on some basic background info on the medium/plants/nutes/times/etc... so here goes!

Both plants have been growing in 5 gallon buckets since the last few weeks of veg until now, in a soil medium of fox farms, perlite, and orchid bark (I thought I might just throw it in and see what difference it made in helping aeration in soil). I started off in veg with Dr. Schultz nutes with EC levels of 10-15-10, and have progressively moved into flowering with Growtek Monster Bloom (equivalent to Beastie Budz) with an N-P-K of 0-50-30. Those levels are high but I have gradually upped the dosages based on both of the plants development.

My Super Bud strain had begun to develop a dark blue color on the leaves which I read could be an abundance in P or K, but now after a few days the blue is leaving but the yellowing has taken over a lot of the plant (nitrogen being pulled away from the leaves to be pushed toward the flowers?). I'm not too worried about it seeing as the nugs seem fine....
Both plants had been growing originally under 5 CFL daylight bulbs each one at 24 watt, then I continued their veg with a 150 watt hps added to the CFLs (which has proven to make their stalks and stems extremely hardy). Finally while transitioning to flowering I added another 400 watt HPS to the plants as side lighting. They seemed to respond well.
I have changed their schedule as I live in SOCAL and the weather has been nothing but perfect for these girls, and have been letting them flower outside.
For my Super Bud strain, the environment has proven to be great, as she is now producing many huge colas growing from the very bottom of the plant, with a giant main cola on top. I'd say each cola (there are now at least 12, without counting whats going on inside this beast) will roughly estimate to an 1/8 dry weight.
As for my Big Bang plant though... It has been flowering just as long as the Super Bud and it has shown a halt in its flower production. The new leaves coming in for flower are turning a lavender/magenta/purple, which I understand could be due to stress on the plant, i.e. temperature, cold water to the roots, and I've also read on a different thread that if the petioles (stems connecting leaves to main stalk/stem) are very red, it means there is an abundance in nutrients going towards the new development, meaning a lock out....
I'm really not sure why this strain is taking so long, and showing barely any development at all, it is a 60% Indica 40% Sativa so I did give it the possibility of having Sativa flowering characterisitcs (longer, thinner nugs, longer flowering period....).
If anyone has any input on this please let me know, and if I wasn't clear let me know as well and I will do my best to reiterate my description.
I probably should have started this thread since the get go of these 2 girls, but I figured I would be fine... Little did I know these girls would cause some trouble for my brain....

SIDE NOTE: Resin production has not stopped on my Big Bang plant, and it stinks of a diesel/skunk smell (probably the skunk #1 genes in it) when I touch the new nugs.
Super Bud smells VERY STRONG like a citrusy orange cream soda (so excited for that)

Here are a few pictures, this is only my second thread on RIU so I'm not sure if the pictures will come out as organized as I hope them to be....
But for a reference the Super Bud is obviously the more Hardy plant (thick colas), and the Big Bang is the one showing very little development in its flowers, as well as holding a purple color to it.

For the last picture the plant to the left is Super Bud, the plant to the right is Big Bang.
I will post more pictures upon request/ tomorrow since these are a few days outdated and I'll make a better effort to organize them (with names) and take better pictures.

Just did a little research as to why my Big Bang plant has been so stagnant, and found it out it could possibly be a fluid transportation problem within the plant.
I watched this video of Jorge Cervantes http://youtu.be/p83qTKokHWA and it's making me wonder whether it's too hot inside the plants while I leave them outside, like Jorge says in the video around 6:50 (roughly based off of memory), it's around 70 something degrees all day here which would make it somewhere between 85-95 inside the plant?
I think I'm going to move them indoors after I flush them once and see how the progression goes.
Let's hope it helps!!!!

Don't take my word on this as I only consider my skills to be at a novice level. But the lack of growth (bud) on your girl could possibly be 1 of a few things, maybe a combination of more. I don't think the outdoor temp should be a prob as there has to be some sort of an outdoor breeze happening?

1st, it could just be that diff strains grow at diff rates.

2ndly, after you've flushed your girls, if your giving them both the same amount of nutes, possibly 1 can handle more or leas then the other as diff strains can feed at diff rates, so try feed them seperateley and see if your girl gives you any signs as to what she likes or doesn't like as to how much nutes they can individually handle.


3rd, you said they are in soil right? Try loosening the soil a bit, pull your girl from the base of the stem ever so gently just a bit to try seperate the medium from the pot, as well bang the sides of the pot to try loosen the soil a bit as well you could try poking some holes in the soil from top to bottom to try get some air in the bottom area of the pot as drainage, root rot or having the roots bound could be a possible issue.

Hope you can figure it out, Good Luck!

Your post was a little convoluted, IMO...
I gotta ask, what are you feeding them with? I hope its not just straight P-K booster, like Beastie Bloomz... Even in flower, even with that P-K booster you still need to keep feeding with your regular nutes.
I'm not too familiar with those two strains... are they different species? Like is one mainly indica and the other mainly sativa? That would account for the difference in flower development... also, it could just be phenotype related. Two phenotypes of the same plant can and will grow at different paces.

Thanks a bunch for the input DaddyDayCare,
I agree with you completely that different strains/pheno/genotypes can grow at different rates, and I definitely have taken that into account; my Super Bud strain (Indica dominant) has been flowering on a much faster track, but my Big Bang (I believe Indica dominant but with a 40% Sativa) just seems to have stopped growing. I don't see any signs on the Big Bang that it could be a nute deficiency/abundance, nor do I see any signs towards root rot or it being a root bound plant. I flushed her twice within a 10 day span (leaving them outdoors during those 10 days really dried them out and enabled me to flush them nicely), so I wouldn't say it's a build up in salts which could lead to a nute lock? Or is that not what happens?

I'll definitely take into account what you've shared here, I just moved both plants indoors to avoid the slight rain as well as see how a calmer environment will help them. I'll try loosening the soil to see how that'll do!

Hey there PersonalJesus, upon rereading my post I realize the entire thing was not a little, but extremely convoluted... I guess I just had so many questions in mind with so many possible answers also floating about my brain that I got unorganized in my thought process and formulation of my post! I do apologize.
I'm currently feeding them Growtek Monster Bloom which is a straight P-K Booster (equivalent to Beastie Bloomz), which the guy at my local hydro store told me I could use as a stand alone nute, but I have been adding my base nutes (Schultz 10-15-10) that I was using during veg. Is it bad to use a P-K alone? I figured my plant still had copious amounts of nitrogen to pull from the soil/rest of the plant as it slowly progressed into its flowering cycle (although I did act a little precariously and added my base nutes to the feeding mixture a few times like I said... hopefully that was a good idea!).
The two strains are both made by green house seed CO.

http://www.greenhouseseeds.nl/shop/super-bud-feminised.html

http://www.greenhouseseeds.nl/shop/big-bang-feminised.html

Like I said in my last response I definitely agree with the difference in flowering times between Indica/Sativa genes/strains but based on the development of my Big Bang plant (rather the lack of development) I'm not sure if it's something to do with genetics or if it's something going on inside the plant.

Does anyone know anything about PH levels effecting the development of flower? I haven't been monitoring my levels as this is but my second grow, but I do try to go easy on nutes as I hear high levels can hurt the plants?

Thanks for all of your inputs!

I did also just read on another forum that overfeeding nitrogen can prolong flowering as well as create leafy buds?

lizardking428 said:

Thanks a bunch for the input DaddyDayCare,
I agree with you completely that different strains/pheno/genotypes can grow at different rates, and I definitely have taken that into account; my Super Bud strain (Indica dominant) has been flowering on a much faster track, but my Big Bang (I believe Indica dominant but with a 40% Sativa) just seems to have stopped growing. I don't see any signs on the Big Bang that it could be a nute deficiency/abundance, nor do I see any signs towards root rot or it being a root bound plant. I flushed her twice within a 10 day span (leaving them outdoors during those 10 days really dried them out and enabled me to flush them nicely), so I wouldn't say it's a build up in salts which could lead to a nute lock? Or is that not what happens?

I'll definitely take into account what you've shared here, I just moved both plants indoors to avoid the slight rain as well as see how a calmer environment will help them. I'll try loosening the soil to see how that'll do!

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?..... Do you, have you regularly moved your girls back and forth from inside to outside? Reason why I ask is cause I've herd of other people having problems with their girls stunting after having done this, as some strains are just finicky and extra sensitive to a change in conditions. If I remember correctly, from another thread I've read in the past, the simple change in enviroment can send them into shock, ie: hot to cold/cold to hot, less light/more light and so on.....

DaddyDayCare said:

?..... Do you, have you regularly moved your girls back and forth from inside to outside? Reason why I ask is cause I've herd of other people having problems with their girls stunting after having done this, as some strains are just finicky and extra sensitive to a change in conditions. If I remember correctly, from another thread I've read in the past, the simple change in enviroment can send them into shock, ie: hot to cold/cold to hot, less light/more light and so on.....

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It has less to do with finicky than with the changes in light intensity.

DaddyDayCare said:

?..... Do you, have you regularly moved your girls back and forth from inside to outside? Reason why I ask is cause I've herd of other people having problems with their girls stunting after having done this, as some strains are just finicky and extra sensitive to a change in conditions. If I remember correctly, from another thread I've read in the past, the simple change in enviroment can send them into shock, ie: hot to cold/cold to hot, less light/more light and so on.....

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hotrodharley said:

It has less to do with finicky than with the changes in light intensity.

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To answer you guys yes, I have been moving them in and out of their grow room lately due to good weather where I am and drainage reasons while flushing. Perhaps they have been shocked, maybe outside the Big Bang was cold, getting too much light from the sun, had an abundance in nitrogen, all that jazz... I guess I will just have to update in a few days now that they are inside