2 Pounds Per Light

coldrain

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Let me try coming at this discussion from another angle....

I've been growing for 26 years, I never get 2 pounds per light and this is why.....

1) Over the years I have found that strains known for HUGE yields are nowhere close to being the best strains around. I prefer quality over quantity, and thus you won't find strains like Big Bud hybrids and Blue Dream in my grow. I did grow Blue Dream once under 1000W and got a little over 6 oz's off one plant, but it's B+ grade pot and people don't want it. I could probably only fit 6 of those under a single 1000W, but do the math and there's your 2+ pound yield per 1000W.

2) I grow in soil in 5 gal containers. I do not like hydro for a number of reasons. Yes, you can get bigger yields from hydro, but soil grown tastes better in my opinion.

3) My grow is 100% organic. People who are getting the crazy yields mentioned here are using non-organic nutes, at least in part. I'm not inclined to believe anyone who says otherwise though I wouldn't say it's completely out of the question.

4) I like variety and I typically have 3-7 strains going at any given time vs. a mono crop of a big yielding strain.

Frankly, the preference of greedy commercial growers for big yielding strains has hurt the overall quality that we see these days, especially when it comes to outdoor grows. I've exclusively grown indoors for a while now, but I used to grow outdoors in the late 80's and early 90's and there were some DANK strains going around back then. Yes, an outdoor plant would typically yield maybe 1 to 1.5 pounds, but the weed was DANK. I don't see anything like that anymore. Outdoor growers I know these days are 100% concerned about their bottom line (yield). Their gardens are full of massive plants that yield 5-7 pounds of B grade pot that might be good enough for people in New York, but they struggle to get $1000/lb for it on the west coast. So, instead of growing smaller quantities of better weed, they just grow more and more B grade and perpetuate inferior genetics.

What it comes down to is do you want to have the best pot around, or the most pot? Most growers these days seem to choose the latter. If you have a market for B+ grade my hat is off to you. I'm very VERY happy for you. My friends are SUPER picky and if it's not comparable to what you see going for $55-60 an eighth at a club they will turn it down. They definitely keep me on my toes, but that's a good thing.
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
Let me try coming at this discussion from another angle....

I've been growing for 26 years, I never get 2 pounds per light and this is why.....

1) Over the years I have found that strains known for HUGE yields are nowhere close to being the best strains around. I prefer quality over quantity, and thus you won't find strains like Big Bud hybrids and Blue Dream in my grow. I did grow Blue Dream once under 1000W and got a little over 6 oz's off one plant, but it's B+ grade pot and people don't want it. I could probably only fit 6 of those under a single 1000W, but do the math and there's your 2+ pound yield per 1000W.

2) I grow in soil in 5 gal containers. I do not like hydro for a number of reasons. Yes, you can get bigger yields from hydro, but soil grown tastes better in my opinion.

3) My grow is 100% organic. People who are getting the crazy yields mentioned here are using non-organic nutes, at least in part. I'm not inclined to believe anyone who says otherwise though I wouldn't say it's completely out of the question.

4) I like variety and I typically have 3-7 strains going at any given time vs. a mono crop of a big yielding strain.

Frankly, the preference of greedy commercial growers for big yielding strains has hurt the overall quality that we see these days, especially when it comes to outdoor grows. I've exclusively grown indoors for a while now, but I used to grow outdoors in the late 80's and early 90's and there were some DANK strains going around back then. Yes, an outdoor plant would typically yield maybe 1 to 1.5 pounds, but the weed was DANK. I don't see anything like that anymore. Outdoor growers I know these days are 100% concerned about their bottom line (yield). Their gardens are full of massive plants that yield 5-7 pounds of B grade pot that might be good enough for people in New York, but they struggle to get $1000/lb for it on the west coast. So, instead of growing smaller quantities of better weed, they just grow more and more B grade and perpetuate inferior genetics.

What it comes down to is do you want to have the best pot around, or the most pot? Most growers these days seem to choose the latter. If you have a market for B+ grade my hat is off to you. I'm very VERY happy for you. My friends are SUPER picky and if it's not comparable to what you see going for $55-60 an eighth at a club they will turn it down. They definitely keep me on my toes, but that's a good thing.
6 plants that yield 6ish ozs under one light? I dunno...that would be a tight squeeze under a thouie. I do 4 in 5 gal buckets under a thouie and that fills a 4x4 foot print full... but with NL or AK or WR, very respectable strains, im coming close to that 2lb mark easy. But i only have 2 lights so i have time to fuck with the 8 plants enough to get a good yield out of em i guess...
 

a mongo frog

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Let me try coming at this discussion from another angle....

I've been growing for 26 years, I never get 2 pounds per light and this is why.....

1) Over the years I have found that strains known for HUGE yields are nowhere close to being the best strains around. I prefer quality over quantity, and thus you won't find strains like Big Bud hybrids and Blue Dream in my grow. I did grow Blue Dream once under 1000W and got a little over 6 oz's off one plant, but it's B+ grade pot and people don't want it. I could probably only fit 6 of those under a single 1000W, but do the math and there's your 2+ pound yield per 1000W.

2) I grow in soil in 5 gal containers. I do not like hydro for a number of reasons. Yes, you can get bigger yields from hydro, but soil grown tastes better in my opinion.

3) My grow is 100% organic. People who are getting the crazy yields mentioned here are using non-organic nutes, at least in part. I'm not inclined to believe anyone who says otherwise though I wouldn't say it's completely out of the question.

4) I like variety and I typically have 3-7 strains going at any given time vs. a mono crop of a big yielding strain.

Frankly, the preference of greedy commercial growers for big yielding strains has hurt the overall quality that we see these days, especially when it comes to outdoor grows. I've exclusively grown indoors for a while now, but I used to grow outdoors in the late 80's and early 90's and there were some DANK strains going around back then. Yes, an outdoor plant would typically yield maybe 1 to 1.5 pounds, but the weed was DANK. I don't see anything like that anymore. Outdoor growers I know these days are 100% concerned about their bottom line (yield). Their gardens are full of massive plants that yield 5-7 pounds of B grade pot that might be good enough for people in New York, but they struggle to get $1000/lb for it on the west coast. So, instead of growing smaller quantities of better weed, they just grow more and more B grade and perpetuate inferior genetics.

What it comes down to is do you want to have the best pot around, or the most pot? Most growers these days seem to choose the latter. If you have a market for B+ grade my hat is off to you. I'm very VERY happy for you. My friends are SUPER picky and if it's not comparable to what you see going for $55-60 an eighth at a club they will turn it down. They definitely keep me on my toes, but that's a good thing.
A decently experienced gardener should get 2 units a lamp with blue bream. There are many getting more. One can do it with a 28 day veg on that strain.
This whole 2 or 2+ or grams per watt talk boils down to strain and veg times.
 

patrickkawi37

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Let me try coming at this discussion from another angle....

I've been growing for 26 years, I never get 2 pounds per light and this is why.....

1) Over the years I have found that strains known for HUGE yields are nowhere close to being the best strains around. I prefer quality over quantity, and thus you won't find strains like Big Bud hybrids and Blue Dream in my grow. I did grow Blue Dream once under 1000W and got a little over 6 oz's off one plant, but it's B+ grade pot and people don't want it. I could probably only fit 6 of those under a single 1000W, but do the math and there's your 2+ pound yield per 1000W.

2) I grow in soil in 5 gal containers. I do not like hydro for a number of reasons. Yes, you can get bigger yields from hydro, but soil grown tastes better in my opinion.

3) My grow is 100% organic. People who are getting the crazy yields mentioned here are using non-organic nutes, at least in part. I'm not inclined to believe anyone who says otherwise though I wouldn't say it's completely out of the question.

4) I like variety and I typically have 3-7 strains going at any given time vs. a mono crop of a big yielding strain.

Frankly, the preference of greedy commercial growers for big yielding strains has hurt the overall quality that we see these days, especially when it comes to outdoor grows. I've exclusively grown indoors for a while now, but I used to grow outdoors in the late 80's and early 90's and there were some DANK strains going around back then. Yes, an outdoor plant would typically yield maybe 1 to 1.5 pounds, but the weed was DANK. I don't see anything like that anymore. Outdoor growers I know these days are 100% concerned about their bottom line (yield). Their gardens are full of massive plants that yield 5-7 pounds of B grade pot that might be good enough for people in New York, but they struggle to get $1000/lb for it on the west coast. So, instead of growing smaller quantities of better weed, they just grow more and more B grade and perpetuate inferior genetics.

What it comes down to is do you want to have the best pot around, or the most pot? Most growers these days seem to choose the latter. If you have a market for B+ grade my hat is off to you. I'm very VERY happy for you. My friends are SUPER picky and if it's not comparable to what you see going for $55-60 an eighth at a club they will turn it down. They definitely keep me on my toes, but that's a good thing.
Or your room has flaws? I been growing for 6 years and have only got under 2 pounds per light 3 times. Doesn't matter what strain. Cookies, ogs, blue dreams. Like mongo said, veg time has a lot to do with it. But don't say that only greedy commercial dudes can get 2 per light . There's a reason you have a job and I'm a farmer. Not everyone has a knack for growing.
 
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Abucks

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Let me try coming at this discussion from another angle....

I've been growing for 26 years, I never get 2 pounds per light and this is why.....

1) Over the years I have found that strains known for HUGE yields are nowhere close to being the best strains around. I prefer quality over quantity, and thus you won't find strains like Big Bud hybrids and Blue Dream in my grow. I did grow Blue Dream once under 1000W and got a little over 6 oz's off one plant, but it's B+ grade pot and people don't want it. I could probably only fit 6 of those under a single 1000W, but do the math and there's your 2+ pound yield per 1000W.

2) I grow in soil in 5 gal containers. I do not like hydro for a number of reasons. Yes, you can get bigger yields from hydro, but soil grown tastes better in my opinion.

3) My grow is 100% organic. People who are getting the crazy yields mentioned here are using non-organic nutes, at least in part. I'm not inclined to believe anyone who says otherwise though I wouldn't say it's completely out of the question.

4) I like variety and I typically have 3-7 strains going at any given time vs. a mono crop of a big yielding strain.

Frankly, the preference of greedy commercial growers for big yielding strains has hurt the overall quality that we see these days, especially when it comes to outdoor grows. I've exclusively grown indoors for a while now, but I used to grow outdoors in the late 80's and early 90's and there were some DANK strains going around back then. Yes, an outdoor plant would typically yield maybe 1 to 1.5 pounds, but the weed was DANK. I don't see anything like that anymore. Outdoor growers I know these days are 100% concerned about their bottom line (yield). Their gardens are full of massive plants that yield 5-7 pounds of B grade pot that might be good enough for people in New York, but they struggle to get $1000/lb for it on the west coast. So, instead of growing smaller quantities of better weed, they just grow more and more B grade and perpetuate inferior genetics.

What it comes down to is do you want to have the best pot around, or the most pot? Most growers these days seem to choose the latter. If you have a market for B+ grade my hat is off to you. I'm very VERY happy for you. My friends are SUPER picky and if it's not comparable to what you see going for $55-60 an eighth at a club they will turn it down. They definitely keep me on my toes, but that's a good thing.
I have to respectfully disagree. I do agree that a lot of big yeilding strains are not that great to smoke, but to say that all big yeilders are junk is wrong. I was pulling 2 plus pounds per light off of Jack Herer, and everyone who smoked it agreed it was the best high, taste, and smell they ever smoked. On the other hand I've smoke all organic grown buds that are shit. No taste, smell or buz. Genetics, and grow environment play more of a roll in finished product then what you feed them (organic or hydro) I've also been on both sides of the organic/hydro fence, but over the years, I found if I dial my system in, and get the feed down, the difference between the two is negligible. I'm going to work on a small living soil grow this summer, as I've never tried it before, and read a lot of positive things about it.
 

pat049010

Active Member
Hey all,

I am currently using 1000 watt lights and I hear lots of talk about 2 pounds per light. I have been growing for quite some time and have never been able to get above .5 grams per watt. So I just wanted to see what some of you guys are doing that are achieving this number. I have read so many different opinions on how many plants per light and nutrients to use, its hard to know what is fact and what is fiction.

Right now I am going to put 16 plants under a 1000 watt hps, veged till its about 2 feet tall. I have topped some of them twice and others only once. They are in 3 gallon pots filled with promix bx and I will be using sensi bloom a and b this time round with advanced nutrients bloom boosters. Strain is California Orange. Temps in the room will be 75-80 during the day and 65-70 at night. Humidity will be kept around 60. No CO2 will be used just oscilating fans to move air around. Am I on the right track? What are some of you guys doing to get 2 pounds per light? Am I putting too many plants under a 1000 watt light or not enough? Any input would really be appreciated. I am not even expecting 2 pounds per light I would be happy at this point with 1.5.
way to many plants starting flowering my plants are 19 inches tall from top of bucket 4 1000 watt 11 plants 2 lb per light jacks nutrients 10-30-20 empson salt 5 ml. per gallon ,cal-mac 5 ml per gallon RAW nutrients 0-0-50 2.5 ml for 10 gallons CO2 1200 PPM TEMP 82-84 7 GALLON POTS 8 Osculating FANS feed feed water I'm shooting for three I'm going to grow bigger plants 10 gallon pots and I use pro mix
 

tyke1973

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A decently experienced gardener should get 2 units a lamp with blue bream. There are many getting more. One can do it with a 28 day veg on that strain.
This whole 2 or 2+ or grams per watt talk boils down to strain and veg times.
I been growing for near on 20 year and i have had that weight wet ,Not dry ,Most i have ever had is 36 from two plants dry .Never hit that weight since ,I do get a lb per light, two plants,2lb.I never take the bottoms into the final weight because i can not be arsed to prune them i beat them over a screen for hash or make oil from them. But a lot of the strains i have been growing in the last year have been from seed,And i have only been getting 10/12 oz dry ,i do far better with clones than i do seed.I'm back to clones again soon ,stopping with the mix strain grows and just doing what i know works for me ,and i will use the tent for flavors.
 
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BigHornBuds

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8 years old but I guess some are still struggling.


For the folks that can’t hit weight , how often do you change your bulbs? What reflectors do you use? Do u use reflective material on the walls? Are you in a real room or a tent ?

If your running single ended bulbs, I’d change them out every grow or every other grow.


If I get 2lbs or less, I fell asleep at the wheel
 

growingforfun

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8 years old but I guess some are still struggling.


For the folks that can’t hit weight , how often do you change your bulbs? What reflectors do you use? Do u use reflective material on the walls? Are you in a real room or a tent ?

If your running single ended bulbs, I’d change them out every grow or every other grow.


If I get 2lbs or less, I fell asleep at the wheel
What reflector would you say is best, and whats your stance on tents vs real rooms? From what ive seen tents yield better than rooms. I do scrog and like xxl reflectors.
Can you link me to a large air cooled hood for DE bulbs? All i keep seeing is these batwing style open hoods, those just dont seem suited to tents and scrog to me as scrog doesnt need the light penitration it needs a wide angle.

Thanks in advance for your imput
 

BigHornBuds

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Most tents shoot you in the foot, before you even start. Most rooms are 8’ min, average tent is 6.5’. In a 4x4 this is 6cf less, the less room you have , the less you can grow.
But a lot of people can’t go drilling 8” holes in there wall, so having that space above for ducting and turning one room into a few rooms with tents will work .
most tents are very reflective and really makes the most out of a space. If you don’t have as of good reflective material in a room or if the light is not being bounced back as soon as a tent you’ll lose.
Try to think of the tent or room an extension of the reflector , and not try to get a 3x3 hood to cover 4x4 .

Air cooled hood will cut your light 10% before it hits the canopy.
I don’t run them, so have no opinion on what’s available.

I run a Gavita knock offs, same everything, except the reflector, the gavita has no adjustment and is held together with tabs , mine have 3 adjustments and is held together with rivets .

I like to keep my DE1000s 36” above my canopy, and I keep it about 24” thick(depending on strain) and I scrog too.
I have orca on all walls.
 

gwheels

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I think 2 pounds in a 4 x 4 is CRAZY. :) But I would love to see it.

I am a relative newb but i grow quality now over quantity and almost hit a pound once with my 315. When the two mesh it is nirvana (king tut was a rock star). I grow 4 plants 2 or 3 strains from seed. I also do it for me and sell nothing :D
 

growingforfun

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Most tents shoot you in the foot, before you even start. Most rooms are 8’ min, average tent is 6.5’. In a 4x4 this is 6cf less, the less room you have , the less you can grow.
But a lot of people can’t go drilling 8” holes in there wall, so having that space above for ducting and turning one room into a few rooms with tents will work .
most tents are very reflective and really makes the most out of a space. If you don’t have as of good reflective material in a room or if the light is not being bounced back as soon as a tent you’ll lose.
Try to think of the tent or room an extension of the reflector , and not try to get a 3x3 hood to cover 4x4 .

Air cooled hood will cut your light 10% before it hits the canopy.
I don’t run them, so have no opinion on what’s available.

I run a Gavita knock offs, same everything, except the reflector, the gavita has no adjustment and is held together with tabs , mine have 3 adjustments and is held together with rivets .

I like to keep my DE1000s 36” above my canopy, and I keep it about 24” thick(depending on strain) and I scrog too.
I have orca on all walls.
Can i get a link to your reflector? Can they be ran by a normal ballast? Id love to see a picture, my canopy cant get more than 6 inches or so. Running a 5x5 scrog full wall to wall light 20 inches up.
 

BigHornBuds

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I think 2 pounds in a 4 x 4 is CRAZY. :) But I would love to see it.

I am a relative newb but i grow quality now over quantity and almost hit a pound once with my 315. When the two mesh it is nirvana (king tut was a rock star). I grow 4 plants 2 or 3 strains from seed. I also do it for me and sell nothing :D

Look up the thread Do you want to play a game in harvest.
Not my best numbers by no means,
If I don’t get a gram a watt , I’m upset
I shoot for 1.5 . CCC15DF2-0FAB-4692-8C82-B7229861B650.png
Just under 1200 dry grams .
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4 plants . I’m back into 10g pots again, the 7s hurt my numbers .
 
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