20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction
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hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
guess it was a matter of time before the trolls got in here!!
collective gardener
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I pay for my electricity. While legal med grow ops in California must be "not for profit", they are not "lose money". I'm not sure how you're doing your math, but "alot more than the buds worth you are pulling" is absurd. Here's some fun facts: my electricity cost works out to $12/oz of bud produced...my loan payment for the startup capitol works out to $20/oz of buds being produced...my lease about $8/oz.
Anyone who steals electricity to save $12/oz is a complete idiot. My attorney alone has represented no less than 8 people who have gotten busted for stealing electricity. There was also a grow op in our warehouse complex that didn't pay their rent for 3 months. When the marshalls came to serve eviction, they found the op. Busted.
I love hearing these stories. Sometimes I call my lawyer just to hear a stupid grower tale. It helps me sleep at night. Most people who get busted are doing stupid shit. Don't do stupid shit and you won't get busted. I've never understood the thought process of a grower who exposes himself by commiting additional crimes for a few bucks. These grows are just like any other business...there are operating costs. If you don't pay those costs, you won't be in business for long.
Bottom line, Sticky, the setup and electrical costs are cheap. It's the labor that will kill ya. But, with a legal med op, the labor costs is the only money we're allowed to make. The prices we charge our members for quantity X is simply the sum of all costs associated with producing quantity X. I assure you, those costs are considerably less than the current black market or storefront dispensary prices. Our members get one hell of a deal because we stay 100% compliant with California law. Once our loan is paid off, the prices will go down approx $20/oz.
collective gardener
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I understand that people can be frustrating. But, I beg of everyone, please no name calling. We've done so good here keeping this thread above that. Thanks.
dajosh42069
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I don't feel like reading 100+ pages of conversation. If it was 100 pages of pure updates, fine. But some threads become chat rooms essentially and I don't feel like reading 90 pages of "Hey dude, great job" for 15 pages of pictures and updates.
Just wanted to know what you were growing, period. I have no idea where 1 grow stops and the others start, but it strikes me as a little fucked up that you all would take this kind of reaction to me asking for a simple update on what the "CURRENT" status is. But as I said, it really wasn't worth all this...
All the same, have a good grow and good luck to you and your patients.
Unsubbed.
EDIT: Ok, my reaction was NOT based on YOUR response to me, it was to theirs, so thank you for asking them to stop. All the same, i'm not trying to "Learn" from you, and i'm not trying to "Do something similar". So I think after the reaction from a simple question, i'm still not sticking around. Again, good luck.
OP, if you got the original version of this post, plz reread, my frustration isn't with you, but with others who resort to name calling like a 12 year old.
TheLastWood
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This is one of the most info packed, least boring, threads there is. But I've been heer since pg 1. I'm also here to learn evereything I can. I've read tons of long ass threads. The longest is riddlemes 171 pg thread " bals to the walls".
But it isn't my job to tell anyone what to read. However this thread is definately worth the read.
What I don't like is that dumbass makes a thread on how to grow 200 oz, someone posts this link so that he can "READ IT"… But no he justs comes in reads not 1 pg and asks his question in here then posts his link.
What a fucking tafbang. More ppl should read my sig.
But it isn't my job to tell anyone what to read. However this thread is definately worth the read.
What I don't like is that dumbass makes a thread on how to grow 200 oz, someone posts this link so that he can "READ IT"… But no he justs comes in reads not 1 pg and asks his question in here then posts his link.
What a fucking tafbang. More ppl should read my sig.
incognegro999
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jyermum
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CG thanks for the breakdown on costs. You power per ounce shows how messed up our "baseline" system for residential power is in SO Cal. The reason I don't grow indoors any more is that with 2 1000 watt bulbs my bill at the house goes from 150 to 650 per month. In summer it went up another $150 for the AC. After factoring in my time, CO2, nutes and the ever dropping price of good nug it just wasn't worth it for me. The machine that you guys are throwing down is killer.
Keep up the good work
Keep up the good work
GanjaneticallyBlessed
Member
Jesus, what does your power company charge per kwh?
GanjaneticallyBlessed
Member
I'm not trying to derail the topic but if I could ask the following...
Are there any "legal" fees outside that of a lawyer's, such as the cost of state licenses affiliated with running a medical grow. If so what are these fees?
$100,000 upfront seems like quite a bit for employees/labor, supplies, rent/lease, etc. I read on page 93, you said the electricty is cheap in relation to the ounces you produce, so that's not a "major" expense then?
I believe you said labor is the major expense? I can't wait till medical marijuana comes my way. I got connections to some cheap mexican labor, and some of the cheapest electric in the USA.
jyermum
Active Member
I don't have a bill with me so Im not sure exactly but the baseline system sucks. They say that a house of my size should take x power... Unfortunately my home was built in the early 50's and maybe had a lightbulb in each room and possibly a radio and a TV. Im not sure if they keep that baseline or not but now with TV's hanging on the walls in every room, microwave and all kinds of stuff plugged in to charge I could not touch a light switch and I would be over the base. Everything over the base to 150% they charge 4x that rate, everything over 200% is like 10x the base rate and over 250% is WAY to much. I hit the 200% every month now without an inside grow.
when I drive past the Sempra energy building downtown I always throw a finger up to make sure they know that there number 1
djfloms
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my power company tried doing that to me once... the meter outside my house was bad, within a week i had a new one and ever since then my bill is NEVER over $200
You don't have to feel bad about the guy who rushed you the lights. I understand he is a truly wonderful and patient person. Of course that would of sounded better if he hadn't just wrote that about himself.... I do know they work, but who's gonna believe me, I'm trying to sell the suckers. Web site will be out soon!!!!! I also want to hear more about your new system. I tried a small one, 3 buckets, and it seemed easy for a beginner. As noted in previous posts I made a couple of adjustments to improve things on my end.
As for your "apology" note to the negative person. Do you really think he knows what you meant???
As for your "apology" note to the negative person. Do you really think he knows what you meant???
Some people use the term "plasma" for induction lights. I believe the term is too broad and applies to flouresents also. The main difference in the two types being one has some sort of internal filimants to charge the "plasma" and with the other it is done with no internal penetration of the light/gas tube. Below is a factory supplied definition.
1. Supplied energy is transferred into the lamp by coupling the induction from an AC electric - magnetic field, creating an electron avalanche of the filled gas chamber to produce a plasma state.
2. When the excited atoms under plasma status return to the ground state UV radiation is emitted.
3. The phosphor on the inner side of the bulb wall will get excited by this UV radiation producing visible light.
1. Supplied energy is transferred into the lamp by coupling the induction from an AC electric - magnetic field, creating an electron avalanche of the filled gas chamber to produce a plasma state.
2. When the excited atoms under plasma status return to the ground state UV radiation is emitted.
3. The phosphor on the inner side of the bulb wall will get excited by this UV radiation producing visible light.
collective gardener
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I'm with So Cal Edison for my power. I have never heard of a power bill like yours. In the last 20 years, my bill for each 12/12 1000 watt light has been around $50/month. This is in warehouses and residences. Something seems wrong.
jyermum
Active Member
Not sure why but it super sucks down here with SDG&E. My house is 2bd 1100 sq ft but it also has a 650 sq ft studio granny flat/guest house out back and I think the base is just off of the 1100. They put a new smart meter on about 6 months ago and the bill is still out of control so it wasnt a bad meter.
For now I will be happy with my 6 in the greenhouse until I do a move up in a few years.
For now I will be happy with my 6 in the greenhouse until I do a move up in a few years.
b.g.
Member
What is the highest bill that you have seen with a 20 light grow in the past?I am running a similar setup but my bill fluctuates around so much..Are you seeing a drastic overall difference in price from aircooled to non-aircooled hoods?Also about to introduce the predators for my spidermite problems,,,,are u still 100% happy with the outcome from that?
collective gardener
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Labor...in particular, MY labor is the primary cost. Labor is the only legal way to recieve money from a legal med op. Get it? It's not a matter of finding cheap mexican labor (which u don't want), it's a matter of getting paid for your time. I don't make any more money when weed is sold. My hourly rate is what it is. We estimate what our per/oz cost will be...and make a small adjustment end year. The adjustment is in the form of a small refund to our members...either in a check or meds. I hope you see what I am saying here.